CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #45*ARREST*

[MsBetsy]

Yeah, I remember her saying that, but it's so vague. I was hoping there was a more solid lead.

Maybe they ruled out him dumping the remains in a river based on his movements according to his cell phone data. Imo

 

[Kapua]

Maybe they ruled out him dumping the remains in a river based on his movements according to his cell phone data. Imo

There is no way that LE would instigate a search of this magnitude without some intelligence that strongly indicates that's where KB's remains are to be found. MOO

 

[Best of What's Around]

1.Why did she even need a lawyer? She's so valuable to the state that they are letting her walk with no consequences. Did it take a defense lawyer to help the prosecution see the light?
2. Again, what a disgusting, unjust system we have, to let someone like this walk due to having a "good lawyer". I'm sick of hearing this. MOO.

While I agree no one is happy with the charges KK is facing, I think we need to look at the big picture. But for PF, KB would not have been murdered. If the evidence backs up KK’s version of events, which I believe they do with the exception of her subjective analsysis trying to mitigate her own motivations, her testimony is important to this prosecution. At the end of the day, it is better to let someone go with lesser charges (she is not getting away free) who did not actually commit murder nor mastermind it, and be certain of the likelihood of conviction of the man who desperately wanted KB dead and actually murdered her. As for an attorney, it is always wise to have one for police questioning...but all the more so when you have involvement and have information to give that can be negotiated by a good attorney for a reduction of charges in exchange for viable testimony. As another poster pointed out, she is guilty of a felony for life, lost her job, will have to testify in a very, very public case, and more repercussions. It is clear to me based on the evidence so far known that KK is not the reason for KB’s murder, she did not plan it herself, and did not commit the actual act. Her previous “attempts” were disgusting and immoral but not a felony as she aborted it every time before committing a crime on her own volition. Her help with the cover up is similarly disgusting and actually illegal but I think limiting her charges is a small price for society to pay for ultimate justice for KB and society at large - making sure PB never leaves prison again. MOO.

 

[MsBetsy]

Ok, this is going to sound a bit on the naive side, sorry. Just how I'm wired.

Did Krystal actually know her friend had a gun in her glove compartment? I probably would have no clue what was in my friend's glove compartments, unless of course, they told me. This bullet thing is driving me crazy, probably because it wasn't brought up during the hearing as to whether or not Krystal or Patrick used that bullet in Kelsey's gun, or used her friend's gun and shot it from hers. I don't know why, but I feel this is going play a small role or maybe more, in this. They brought up both guns in detail.

I think she borrowed it from her. Imo

 

[ajaylee]

IKR? Who drives a car w/expired plates to a crime scene? Someone told me to not try to make sense of this crime about 20 threads ago, but I just can't get over the stupidity, not to mention the evil.

What do you do when your "boyfriend", who is a long-distance boyfriend at that, calls you from two states away to ask you to drop everything and drive down to clean up the mess he made when killing the mother of his infant child? Call your friend to borrow her car, lie to your ex-husband, and tell him "I'll be there as soon as I can?"

Could there be something we're missing? Or is it just that ridiculous?

Here's the thing. If this case had started with PF calling KK and saying "I just had a fight with my baby-mama, lost it and killed her. You've got to come and help me out", some of this might make more sense. Without a plan in place ahead of time, I wouldn't be surprised at the subsequent craziness - stupid stuff like Scott Peterson dying his hair yellow and thinking that would fool someone.

But this was supposedly the result of months of planning. Regardless of who struck the final blow(s), you'd think they would have had a plan in place for disposing of the body and the mess and covering their tracks.

 

[Elley Mae]

IIRC Idaho does not have to notify you when your tags expire. Possibly that M didn’t realize tags were expired. Wasn’t she moving at this time? Maybe she moves around some.

The last thing I would think to look at when borrowing a vehicle would be the stickers.

 

[susiQ]

I completely agree with everything you've written. Too many puzzle pieces are still missing and there's a crazy lack of consistency in their actions.

I get the feeling here that most of us think we can kind of understand PF - his actions are pretty consistent with the type of person he seems to be. Nothing KB did seems out of character for what we know of her.

KK is the mystery. I just can't make heads or tails of her actions. Is she afraid? Calculating? Secretly leaving a trail of clues so PF will get caught? Or leaving a fake trail of clues in case PF gets caught and her name comes up? Both?

As far as we know, the cell records back up her story, but it doesn't make sense, particularly since she seemed slightly savvier than PF about phones. She claimed she turned KB's phone off and on to leave a trail of pings leading to her.

Right. Except if she wanted a trail of pings from KB's phone from Colorado to Idaho, why keep turning the phone on and off? Why completely destroy the phones, including her own, at home?

She allegedly left blood clues - but not a tooth.

I think she knows a lot more than we have heard. I'm sure we haven't heard everything she has to say, but I don't see what additional information would make her actions in the above two situations any easier to understand.

If she's lying or withholding information (and I think she is), who is she trying to protect?

And I, completely agree with you! Last line, bbm, is a very good question indeed!! If not herself, then who?

 

[enelram]

This. I wondered why they settled on searching the landfill instead of scouting river locations. Had to be more than a coin flip.

I think they got more valid evidence that her remains are in the landfill- besides KK guessing. I wonder if they've tracked his
phone location near the landfill, or a friend or two took the load
to the landfill (2 guys at the dump?) or they got his truck on video
near or on the way to the landfill. I think there's more than KK.

 

[MsBetsy]

IKR? Who drives a car w/expired plates to a crime scene? Someone told me to not try to make sense of this crime about 20 threads ago, but I just can't get over the stupidity, not to mention the evil.

What do you do when your "boyfriend", who is a long-distance boyfriend at that, calls you from two states away to ask you to drop everything and drive down to clean up the mess he made when killing the mother of his infant child? Call your friend to borrow her car, lie to your ex-husband, and tell him "I'll be there as soon as I can?"

Could there be something we're missing? Or is it just that ridiculous?

Do we know who the plates belonged to? Maybe she was thinking that if the plates were caught on camera, they couldn't be traced. I guess she didn't anticipate what might have happened had she been pulled over.
As far as her dropping everything to go clean up the crime scene, I think she was probably expecting it.
It's hard to get inside the mind of someone like that. I'm guessing when she got that call from PF, she wasn't taken by surprise. Imo

 

[Julia966]

Good points on his cell phone's movements regarding the landfill. Cell phone data has played such a pivotal role in this case, and I didn't even think of it

 

[Best of What's Around]

Here's the thing. If this case had started with PF calling KK and saying "I just had a fight with my baby-mama, lost it and killed her. You've got to come and help me out", some of this might make more sense. Without a plan in place ahead of time, I wouldn't be surprised at the subsequent craziness - stupid stuff like Scott Peterson dying his hair yellow and thinking that would ! someone.

But this was supposedly the result of months of planning. Regardless of who struck the final blow(s), you'd think they would have had a plan in place for disposing of the body and the mess and covering their tracks.

One thing I have learned following a few cases is that criminals never cease to amaze me in their lack of clarity and planning as to the obstacles they will inevitably face to get away with their crimes. Just the choice of a baseball bat...leaving blood evidence when everyone and their grandma knows from TV how difficult it is to remove all trace blood evidence is astounding on its face when less messy alternatives, locations, etc, were presumably available. There seems to be a cockiness and impulsivity present in most of these cases that indicate tunnel vision and an inability to see events as LE and most of the public will see it. Perhaps it goes along with the lack of empathy...I don’t know. But I am glad it seems to exist outside the most ruthless and cunning of serial killers and a few others who have the patience, insight and planning to carry out some crime without getting caught...along with some luck. MOO

 

[Steelslady]

How investigators will search a landfill for Kelsey Berreth's remains - CNN
the primary target area, which is roughly the size of two tennis courts, and nine feet deep. The entire search area is 250' by 125' and 25 feet deep -- that's roughly two hockey rinks with 25 feet of garbage piled on top.

RSBM- Ugh, what a daunting task they have ahead of them. Prayers the trash bags are still somewhat intact with evidence, and hopefully some bone pieces found. I just can't imagine searching through all of that, and sifting, too. Bless them all.

 

[Steelslady]

I must admit, this case has me so conflicted at times, trying to understand that which I can not imagine.

I know PF wanted KB dead, and he did it. I know KK wanted her dead, but didn't do it but was so very willing to clean up the mess. What made that risk worth it to her?

She claims she "left" clues so LE would find PF, YET she throws away a tooth, destroys KB's phone and her own plus burners. What is SHE hiding that LE and the DA will never be able to prove because she tampered with the evidence. The case against PF would be even stronger if she'd left these items undamaged and was able to turn them in. So I'm clueless as to why she went to such lengths to destroy these items. Once she left CO she had the power to turn them in, tell LE what happened and she would never have to fear him again. But that's not what she did. I feel very strongly once this goes to trial she will look even worse to us than she does now. PF's attorney will leave no stone unturned to accomplish that.

She had a number of days to consider how to mitigate the evidence against her, to a certain degree. Thankfully, LE had enough on her to make her buckle and spill the beans on PF. Although, I still don't trust everything she's said. There's more to this that has been conveniently left out of HER narrative. No doubt, PF's attorney will "fill in the blanks" for us when the time comes. All MOO and more MOO.

Is it too much to hope for that maybe Krystal did save the tooth and LE has it, but didn't discuss it during the hearing?

 

[MsBetsy]

I think they got more valid evidence that her remains are in the landfill- besides KK guessing. I wonder if they've tracked his
phone location near the landfill, or a friend or two took the load
to the landfill (2 guys at the dump?) or they got his truck on video
near or on the way to the landfill. I think there's more than KK.

That's what I'm thinking. There must be something other than KK's statement. It seems like a huge effort if there's only a 50% chance she would be there. Unless they think finding the other evidence is enough.
I've read about a few cases in which LE searched landfills looking for a suitcase with a body inside. In one case, after two months of searching they finally found it in the only area they had left to search. This will be even harder, I would think.

 

[susiQ]

Maybe they ruled out him dumping the remains in a river based on his movements according to his cell phone data. Imo

Nice catch, Sherlock!!

 

[enelram]

I'm pretty sure LE has some tight evidence they will find what they're looking for.
For one thing, look at the expenses of the search:
35-40 people- even if minimum wage, which they're not, would be
around $4-8,000 per day. Now add in the cost to run the equipment-
trucks, backhoe, bulldozer-
It could easily be $10,000 per day to search X 30= $300,000 easy.
They wouldn't blow this kind of money if not reasonably sure
they're going to locate the goods.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

We don't know that she's walking. She won't be sentenced until after the trial, I believe, so we don't know the terms of her deal. She needed an attorney in order to make the deal.

Also as part of her deal she has to cooperate fully with all court procedings,and cases. Otherwise the deal is void if I understand correctly. She not only has to testify per PF's part in this, but any and all participants involved, and quite possibly this other murder her bff,and Mr,and Mrs R. alluded to which caused her "legi
MOO

Well, first I said, "Sorry, can't even go there, " but you know what it's like, once you've read it

I have to hope and pray it isn't so, and I don't think it is and I'll tell you why. Had one of them unloaded a round to do that, wouldn't the guns, either KB's or MG's tell the tale. LE have both of those weapons in their possession now and have likely been checked to see if they were fired recently. If either one had been, KK's tale would already be suspect in their minds would it not? JMT.

Maybe. We still don't know all the details,and evidence,or where this missing bullet is.
Moo

 

[Herat]

I don’t believe she would be alive. I believe she would have expired within the first few blows.

 

[Inthedetails]

How investigators will search a landfill for Kelsey Berreth's remains - CNN
It may sound like an impossible task: searching a quarter-acre of a landfill for charred, decomposed human remains three months after a person was last seen alive.

But searchers are hopeful that they will find the remains of Kelsey Berreth and any other evidence that could shed light on her death.

[...]
Frazee's alleged mistress, who is cooperating with law enforcement, shared information that helped lead investigators to the Midway Landfill in Fountain, Colorado. Searchers will begin sifting through landfill detritus there on Tuesday and continue for at least 35 days until they make it through the area.

This is what we know from Woodland Park police about the search, plus additional insight from forensic anthropologists on what to possibly expect.

[...]

Ten searchers are expected to work eight hours a day for 35 days to make it through the primary target area, which is roughly the size of two tennis courts, and nine feet deep. The entire search area is 250' by 125' and 25 feet deep -- that's roughly two hockey rinks with 25 feet of garbage piled on top.

The estimated time frame could change based on their progress, Woodland Park Police Commander Chris Adams said.

[...]

"It's a slow, methodical search. We don't want to miss anything. I think we owe it to Kelsey and her family to -- to be as thorough as we can," Adams said.

The process resembles the procedure that forensic anthropologists use to search areas.

Many people will be putting in many hours doing very difficult work to find her, a thousand times more effort than PF ever put forth for KB's benefit. Good people do good things.

I hope the search is short and they find her so her family can put her to rest.

jmo

 

[lindaromas]

OK, in your honor Jane Eyre, I went back to see if I could find
all the msm articles on the tote and I found most articles call
it a 'Black Tote Bag' or a 'Black Bag'. So I think we on WS got
a little off track thinking it was hard plastic, apparently it's not.

If softer material I'm guessing he dragged it out of her condo on
the ground. Again, maybe leaking fluids were left near the
corner of her car where the cadaver dogs hit.

So I guess if we picture a large duffel bag it's easier to understand.
Hope this helps.

My thoughts exactly! I think someone was tired of typing and shortened tote bag to just “tote” stirring the imagination. I posted a bit back about a Christmas tree bag that Walmart has 2 for $16.92. Here they are https://www.walmart.com/ip/Elf-Stor...oliday-Large-For-up-to-7-5-Ft-Trees/861764709. This thought really makes me ill