CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #45*ARREST*

[MassGuy]

This is why I don't understand why they had a fire in front of SF's property. I don't know if it was possible for him to do it on the Nash ranch, but there had to be somewhere else on SF's property that would have been far less suspicious than in her front yard.

His place was fairly private, mommy aside.

I’ll be willing to bet that this wasn’t the first fire he had lit there, although this was the first one with the purpose of destroying a body.

We don’t know the dynamic between mommy and son, but maybe she knew better than to ask questions.

It’s a place where he was comfortable doing something like that, as he knew he could do it without being disturbed.

 

[MemPat]

This makes her remains sound very heavy, and much more than a small melted plastic cube with ashes and a tooth or two. If the case that she was in was so heavy that it needed a hoist of some sort, then her remains must be much larger than a melted plastic blob.

Otto, the Nash Ranch visit was before the fire at PF's house.

 

[Steelslady]

Good question. But do we know for sure that she KNEW what it was that was burning? Could PF have told her it was a dead animal carcass or something like that?

In a plastic tote, though?

 

[tmar]

I think PF would be seething.
His planned mission has been unraveled by KK, whom he trusted.
I guess the tables have turned regarding trust.
KB trusted PF, not suspecting that he would murder her.
Now, PF is the one, whom his trusted person KK, has turned against him.
YIPPEE.
MOO.

 

[MemPat]

This is why I don't understand why they had a fire in front of SF's property. I don't know if it was possible for him to do it on the Nash ranch, but there had to be somewhere else on SF's property that would have been far less suspicious than in her front yard.

It's good to remember that the Frazees didn't live in a subdivision with a traditional front yard.

If they're like most farmers and ranchers they probably whipped up a fire wherever they happened to gather a bunch of discards.

 

[PommyMommy]

That's awfully cold. She knew that he wanted her dead, she went to a barn with him to retrieve her dead body and then she cleaned up the crime scene.

Not in that order, though.

She cleaned the crime scene
Went to Sonic (burger joint)
Went to Nash Ranch to retrieve the body
Went to PF's place and witnessed burning of the body
Then ate pizza, presumably (PF gave her two slices)

 

[MyBelle]

Yes. This case doesn’t hinge on recovering Kelsey’s remains, as the prosecution already has plenty.

What was presented at the preliminary hearing, is only a basic outline of what they have against him.

They have evidence that is far more specific, and damning.

They are also waiting on lab results, which will prove important here.

As you say, recovering Kelsey would bring some closure to the family, and at the same time, boost their case.

It's great that you are so confident but I doubt the DA agrees with you because he has launched an exhaustive landfill search. These are taxpayer dollars he thinks are necessary to expend in the quest for justice.

In the case of Jessica O'Grady, her body was never found and Christopher Edwards was convicted of second degree murder because of the overwhelming amount of blood in his bedroom. He's in prison for life only because LE also recovered the bloody murder weapon from his closet.

We don't know how much blood was found in KB's townhouse because KK threw away all the evidence and claims the murder weapon is a baseball bat, also not recovered.

I don't believe that is going to be sufficient to get a guilty verdict for premeditated, first degree murder. I think DA believes he needs the body and that's why the expensive landfill search is being undertaken.

JMO

 

[ilovechili]

I think she beat him to the punch...she put it all out there before he could. We know he cannot say she was there for the actual murder...cats out of the bag.

ahh. i was thinking more like it was meant he has something on her from back when like offering the other contestants for the crown a latte, iced coffee or some such. my mind was elsewhere....

meant with some lightness, this thread has been pretty serious which is understandable considering the subject matter.

this makes more sense now--i thought if he knew something else about her, then he would say to LE even now, I will give you a prosecution but what do I get out of it?

as for this case, she did beat him to the punch. i think it will be some length of time before trial but i do not doubt we may see a person or two turning on another. pf seems the type to me that would throw anyone under the bus from mother to co-worker to friend to woman "friend" to anyone. i personally think they both would.

imho.

 

[MassGuy]

It's great that you are so confident but I doubt the DA agrees with you because he has launched an exhaustive landfill search. These are taxpayer dollars he thinks are necessary to expend in the quest for justice.

In the case of Jessica O'Grady, her body was never found and Christopher Edwards was convicted of second degree murder because of the overwhelming amount of blood in his bedroom. He's in prison for life only because LE also recovered the bloody murder weapon from his closet.

We don't know how much blood was found in KB's townhouse because KK threw away all the evidence and claims the murder weapon is a baseball bat, also not recovered.

I don't believe that is going to be sufficient to get a guilty verdict for premeditated, first degree murder. I think DA believes he needs the body and that's why the expensive landfill search is being undertaken.

JMO

A case is always stronger with a body, there is no doubt about it.

But few cases with a body, have additional evidence that is so compelling.

The prosecution didn’t drop first degree charges on PF based on a whim, they did it because they know they can win.

I do believe they will.

 

[Steelslady]

Cell phone analysis matches up too.
jmo

Absolutely, but I doubt that she told LE all about those phone calls and texts, until she was busted. I think that once she realized she was caught lying, some water works started, then out it all came, admitting to the phone calls and texts later on in their interrogation of her. Remember, she hired a lawyer before talking. She says she left evidence behind and deliberately left KB's and her phone on while driving home to Idaho, but when they were questioning her, she refused to talk until her lawyer helped her get that plea deal. She wasn't going to help out of the goodness of her heart.

 

[PommyMommy]

This is why I don't understand why they had a fire in front of SF's property. I don't know if it was possible for him to do it on the Nash ranch, but there had to be somewhere else on SF's property that would have been far less suspicious than in her front yard.

According to this report, the fire took place in a pasture.

Courtroom updates: Preliminary hearing for Patrick Frazee, who is accused of killing Kelsey Berreth
After that, Slater said Lee told him they went past the main house and to a pasture and put Berreth’s body into a trough. Slater said Lee told him Frazee used gasoline to light a fire to burn the tote, which was inside the trough.

“[Lee] did stay there for several hours while the fire burned,” Slater said.

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[otto]

I was referring to SF, PF's mom perhaps knowing after the fact since she witnessed the burning of KBs body.

Does it matter if she realized later that she witnessed a crime?

There's nothing to suggest that she knew that Kelsey was being incinerated on her property, although incineration would draw attention. Farms have incinerators but they are not used daily. She should have noticed, but what did KK and PF tell her about their incineration activities?

 

[otto]

Back to Walmart for giant size Baby Wipes!

Was that in Cripple Creek?

 

[cody22]

Not in that order, though.

She cleaned the crime scene
Went to Sonic (burger joint)
Went to Nash Ranch to retrieve the body
Went to PF's place and witnessed burning of the body
Then ate pizza, apparently

That was one heck of a wild date night.....moo

 

[Best of What's Around]

It's great that you are so confident but I doubt the DA agrees with you because he has launched an exhaustive landfill search. These are taxpayer dollars he thinks are necessary to expend in the quest for justice.

In the case of Jessica O'Grady, her body was never found and Christopher Edwards was convicted of second degree murder because of the overwhelming amount of blood in his bedroom. He's in prison for life only because LE also recovered the bloody murder weapon from his closet.

We don't know how much blood was found in KB's townhouse because KK threw away all the evidence and claims the murder weapon is a baseball bat, also not recovered.

I don't believe that is going to be sufficient to get a guilty verdict for premeditated, first degree murder. I think DA believes he needs the body and that's why the expensive landfill search is being undertaken.

JMO

There is already so much evidence of premeditated murder that I cannot imagine locating the body will be determinative. I think KK for her many flaws will still be a believable witness and her story will be backed up with corroborating evidence. The last time I remember people thinking a DA was desperate and didn’t have enough to convict, next thing we knew Watts pleaded guilty on all counts. I think in high profile cases, in particular, DAs do not bring cases they can’t win lightly. MOO.

 

[jewelsmac]

Does it matter if she realized later that she witnessed a crime?

There's nothing to suggest that she knew that Kelsey was being incinerated on her property, although incineration would draw attention. Farms have incinerators but they are not used daily. She should have noticed, but what did KK and PF tell her about their incineration activities?

I was just wondering if she did know...would that in itself be a crime not to report it.

 

[Notagain]

Sorry if this has been discussed before.

Now keep in mind IANAL so I'm not sure if this is even anything, but I have a question.

How important is the affidavit in terms of conviction? It says that the friend lent KL the black Jetta, yet later it states that the car is a Passat. My mind tends to think that the defense has an easier time now of disputing things in it (if it is used in trial, I'm not sure) because it is inaccurate and inconsistent in terms. Now if this is something that is not used in trial and was only used for the judge to say ok, let's take this to trail, then it doesn't matter. In the end, I just hope the prosecutor tightens up the evidence and makes sure there is nothing off that could be used against them.

I've seen smaller misdemeanors (granted it was a speeding ticket) thrown out of court because of it being written as a different car than what the registration stated.

 

[ab01]

That was one heck of a wild date night.....moo

oh the romance of it all...I'm surprised he didn't purpose.


I bet she would have said yes

 

[Steelslady]

If PF had access to the Nash Ranch and nobody was around, I can't figure out why he wouldn't just bury the body on that property. Hiding it in their barn so that he could wait until KK got there is really bizarre to me.

I think it's bizarre to most of us. Then the dummy brings the tote back to burn it in his mother's front yard. As I said before, you can't make this stuff up.

 

[Seattle1]

Was that in Cripple Creek?

No, Walmart is located in Woodland Park (WP), and also where KB's townhome located, --the alleged scene of her murder.

The only thing in Cripple Creek is the Teller County Courthouse.