CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #45*ARREST*

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  • #681
Did PF scoop up the remains out of the "trough"? Looks like he'd have had to dump the ashes/remains out of the container before he scooped anything up.
Doesn't make too much sense otherwise. Sort of like the sweater blindfold.
 
  • #682
Ditto - I do wonder who came up with the tote idea? And what did he purchase at Walmart? I think the tote - and someone may have given him advice on which one IMO. Or else he had it in his truck all along and it was just convenient the day of the murder? JMO.

I cannot remember if it was from the affadavit or the hearing testimony, but I do remember reading something where one of the LE investigators noted similar totes on the PF / SF property during a search. Not sure if KK was with the investigator at the time.

JMO
 
  • #683
Does it matter if it was a tote bag or a hard plastic tote? I’m not sure that I see the significance of it or how it changes the outcome of the case? Can someone help me connect the dots please?
 
  • #684
My opinion of "scooped out" the remains is that PF had to have a small tractor mounted with a manure rake, with all of the corrals. It's an absolute necessity. I think he "scooped out" the whole round trough from the corral with the manure rake, and replaced it later, after he dumped the contents. That's why it's in a different spot.
Is the one shown in the corral in the December 14th drone shot the old one cleaned out, or a new replacement? I don't know.
I hope LE checked all of them that he has. IMO
 
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  • #686
Yes, seems a little odd that with everything she knows, she doesn't know for sure where he put the body.
The fire would've still been hot while KK slept and then left for Idaho. I don't think she knows where PF disposed of KB's remains. As much information as KK has divulged at this point, if she knew, she would have revealed that as well.
MOO
 
  • #687
Does it matter if it was a tote bag or a hard plastic tote? I’m not sure that I see the significance of it or how it changes the outcome of the case? Can someone help me connect the dots
I think we are trying to figure out if the tote would have leakage leaving it on the haystack KB was on at the Nash farm. And if the fire was a black smoldering mess because of plastic burning...IMO
 
  • #688
IIRC Idaho does not have to notify you when your tags expire. Possibly that M didn’t realize tags were expired. Wasn’t she moving at this time? Maybe she moves around some.

The last thing I would think to look at when borrowing a vehicle would be the stickers.
Oh they notify you all right. You get the bill about 6 weeks in advance of your expiration date. And you definitely want to pay it by mail because otherwise you have to stand in line at the DMV for hours.
 
  • #688
BREAKING: @ScottMcLean reports the landfill search has begun in the #KelseyBerreth case. The Colorado mom has been missing since Thanksgiving and is presumed dead. Patrick Frazee, her fiancé and the father of their daughter, is accused of murdering her.

How investigators will search a landfill for Kelsey Berreth's remains - CNN

HLN on Twitter

(Video at link)
Oh! The excavators move it to make a line for searchers to go through. I wondered how they searched through 9 feet deep of trash,
 
  • #689
@Tippy Lynn, Updated today.

@otto, this is a good article to use for your mapping. It begins with 2016 and continues through today.

Kelsey Berreth case timeline: Everything we know so far

[...]

Nov. 22, 2018
1 – 4 a.m.: Investigators found that there were at least seven contacts made between Frazee and Berreth’s cell phones between these hours, including a four-minute phone call that happened around 1:42 a.m.

9 – 10 a.m.: Cell phone records show Berreth text messaged Frazee at 9:37 a.m. and that the two spoke on the phone for about 3 ½ minutes around 9:40 a.m.

12:27 p.m.: Berreth and her daughter are captured on a surveillance camera at the Safeway in Woodland Park leaving the store. Receipts from the store and her home corroborated she was there at that time.

12:31 and 12:33 p.m.: Frazee calls Berreth's cell phone in a 35-second call, and there is an incoming call from Berreth to Frazee listed as 8 seconds in length in the affidavit. The affidavit says that both of their cell phones connected to the same cell tower in Woodland Park

12:41 p.m.: A text message was exchanged between Berreth and Frazee.

12:54 – 1:17 p.m.: Frazee was captured on surveillance video at the Walmart in Woodland Park carrying a baby carrier with a blanket similar to the one seen in the Safeway footage. Investigators wrote in the affidavit that they believe their 1-year-old daughter was in the carrier at the time.

Frazee said he met with Berreth in an alleyway outside her home in Woodland Park to exchange the child just beforehand, which investigators said they believe did occur. This is the last time that Frazee reportedly saw Berreth alive, and he told investigators that while they exchanged their daughter, he returned some of her belongings, including a handgun, keys and other items – which have so far not been recovered.

1:24 p.m.: A person matching Frazee’s description is captured entering the front door of Berreth’s apartment on a neighbor’s surveillance camera – which investigators said contradicted what Frazee had told them about a timeline on that day.

Afternoon: Investigators believe this is when Frazee allegedly killed Berreth inside her apartment, then took her cell phone when he left. Investigators allege that he blindfolded Berreth and asked her to smell a scented candle, then beat her to death with a baseball bat. They say that Kenney was aware because Frazee told her about it.

Cell tower records show that Frazee’s phone was connected to the tower serving Berreth’s apartment from approximately 1 p.m. to 4:30 p.m. that day.

3:36 p.m.: That same neighbor’s surveillance camera again captures images of a person that matches Frazee’s description at Berreth’s home. Frazee called his mother, Sheila, and Kenney at this time, according to his phone records. This is the beginning of when Frazee allegedly started carrying out his “scheme,” as the affidavit calls it, of using his and Berreth’s phones to try and “distract law enforcement, distort the actual date of [Berreth’s] appearance, and separate himself as a suspect in a murder investigation.”

Kenney told investigators that Frazee called her and told her to come to Colorado because she “had a mess to clean up.” She told investigators that she understood that meant that Berreth had been killed.

Evening hours: Both Frazee’s and Berreth’s cell phones were connected with cell towers near Cripple Creek, traveling in the same direction and similar distances from the towers. “This would indicate the phones were likely traveling together,” Frazee’s affidavit says. The affidavit says the two cell phones stayed together for the entirety of Nov. 22-24.

Investigators allege that Frazee removed Berreth’s body from her apartment that day and stored it in a black plastic tote at the Nash Ranch atop a haystack.
 
  • #690
My opinion of "scooped out" the remains is that PF had to have a small tractor mounted with a manure rake, with all of the corrals. It's an absolute necessity. I think he "scooped out" the whole round trough from the corral with the manure rake, and replaced it later, after he dumped the contents. That's why it's in a different spot.
Is the one shown in the corral in the December 14th drone shot the old one cleaned out, or a new replacement? I don't know.
I hope LE checked all of them that he has. IMO
I doubt he would have done a good job cleaning it out. Look at the half-a** job of cleaning he did at KB's home. I certainly hope LE would have checked them all out.
 
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The fire would've still been hot while KK slept and then left for Idaho. I don't think she knows where PF disposed of KB's remains. As much information as KK has divulged at this point, if she knew, she would have revealed that as well.
MOO
Yes, it just seems strange that since he trusted her enough with everything else, he didn't reveal where he put it afterwards. Maybe it was the one thing he kept from her to ensure the body wasn't found. Imo
 
  • #693
Does it matter if it was a tote bag or a hard plastic tote? I’m not sure that I see the significance of it or how it changes the outcome of the case? Can someone help me connect the dots please?
It was described in the affidavit as a plastic tote with silver handles. I've never heard the plastic containers as being called "totes." I usually call them Tupperware bins, or containers.
 
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  • #695
I wonder if she felt she needed to protect herself from PF?

BTW- Is it legal to carry a loaded gun in your glove compartment anywhere? Even with a concealed carry permit?

It sure isnt in adjoining western states
It is against federal law to transport a loaded gun. iirc, Meghan told LE there should be seven bullets, one was missing and she discovered a bullet in the chamber.

Notwithstanding any state or local law, a person shall be entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearms if the firearm is unloaded and in the trunk.

In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm shall be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. Necessary stops, e.g., gasoline and rest, seem permissible.

Interstate Transportation of Firearms
 
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It was described in the affidavit as a plastic tote with silver handles. I've never heard the plastic containers as being called "totes." I usually call them Tupperware bins, or containers.

And I’ve only ever heard Hard plastic bins referred to as totes. In fact my wife asks me to bring up the Christmas totes every year. Maybe it’s a region sorta thing idk. But I still am not sure it makes a difference weather it was a bag or tote....anyways I’m moving on.
 
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  • #699
It is against federal law to transport a loaded gun. iirc, Meghan told LE there should be seven bullets, one was missing and she discovered a bullet in the chamber.

Notwithstanding any state or local law, a person shall be entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearms if the firearm is unloaded and in the trunk.

In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm shall be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. Necessary stops, e.g., gasoline and rest, seem permissible.

Interstate Transportation of Firearms

Maybe the bff lied about the gun not having previously had one in the chamber bc she knew it was against the law?
 
  • #700
My thoughts about giving Kelsey back the gun the day before Thanksgiving- he had the perfect plan all set up, her death was going to be a suicide. Then, she told her Mom in a phone call, probably in front of Patrick, that she had her gun back and went target practicing, once again, foiling his plans to be free of her. Makes me wonder if that is why he had so much rage when he brutally hit her with the baseball bat- he was no doubt angry that not only he had to do it because Krystal wouldn't, but now his perfect plan fell apart by one phone call to Mom.

A great thought that had not occurred to me. I had heard of her telling mom she had her gun back which also showed her he did not think she was suicidal or why would he give it back right? That alone could complicate things. Was that call the night before with mom the night she was with him until 4 a.m., I can't recall? Or on TG Day? If and only if, they were planning on staging a scene, I think gunpowder residue can still play into your thought, depending on if and how staging was planned... The part that throws me though is he still did try to say to mom she went to Idaho or Washington... Where I thought it has been hinted she had left and/or they were going to hint at and he still wanted (allegedly) KK to take the body to ID too and there is a bullet missing which could be explained a few ways admittedly.

I think too it looks like rage got the best of him and plans went awry but it is still odd that there were beating types of deaths discussed more than once prior--the metal rod, the bb bat (KK), the bb bat now (him) so it was not a new thought... But then who knows if any of it is true, this all comes from one lying source and the other tidbits she has comes from the other lying source (known to lie both of them). And who knows about brain cell strength in either... They sure know how to lawyer up though...

I suppose there is more to come and maybe, just maybe we shall know. The part about KK having a friend's gun with as well throws me (and that she would have brought that allegedly after PF had killed her so if that plan were over and a bb bat was used, still confusing...)...
 
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