CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #45*ARREST*

[ab01]

I asked you why you believe Meghan lied to the FBI about the gun?

Meghan also contacted the FBI later and told them KK had called to apologize and said she was going to cooperate with LE.

Please see #54- 57 on the AA. Nowhere does it indicate the FBI didn't believe Meghan.

You are putting words in my mouth, I said MAYBE she could have lied.....

 

[MyBelle]

I wonder if Meghan specifically asked KK about if she had fired the gun. And if so, what did the KK say?

It doesn't say and that sure would be interesting to know!

 

[Mountain Misst]

Huh? Didn't she pick up the keys at Patrick's for Kelsey's townhouse around 7:30 am, then had to drive what, 20-25 minutes to get there? She must be a speed demon of a cleaner to be in and out that fast after cleaning, bringing trash out, etc, then off to Sonic.

Perhaps it was a lunch break from her moonlight cleaning job.

 

[Dave F.]

I don't mean to be mean hearted either, but I understand what you are saying. And it is very sad for small communities. I'm so glad that her mother from another state made this national news, so that it had to come out. Who knows if the FBI had not come in, that a small town would have just considered it a suicide in the end. I've heard of other cases where small towns said something was a suicide, and the families were so very upset.

Got send that her mother got it out in the public

The Colorado Bureau of Investigation did much of the footwork in this case. I think Colorado's system of having one central agency as a direct "boots on the ground" backup to the small jurisdictions with limited resources is fairly unique, and this case proves that it works well. IMO

 

[tmar]

Investigators begin searching landfill for Kelsey Berreth’s remains Investigators begin searching landfill for Kelsey Berreth’s remains

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It is horrid, to think these two creeps have initiated this large search, plus all the other costs of the investigation and possibly trial.
It doesn't cost PF a penny, and KK is paying her legal people to save her own skin.
The taxpayers pay all this.
MOO.

 

[Oregon]

I have a problem with the bathroom blood evidence too, I think that is where he killed KB, is the only way to account for blood being on the bottom of the trash can and the bath mat missing. I think he shut the door, so baby K would not hear, and hit her.

I think this is where he cleaned up. Clothes thrown on floor, shower, water to wipe up mess. I am sure plenty of opportunity to splatter blood from blood soaked clothing to every surface of that small room.

 

[MyBelle]

Yes. I'm just saying that Federal law doesn't prohibit the transportation of a firearm in a vehicle. That is governed by State law. I don't know where Meghan kept her gun in her car or if she or KK had a concealed permit. However, KK's transportation of KB's gun later, could be charged as a federal felony (assuming the Feds are not prohibited from doing so by her plea agreement).

BBM. That's my point.

Meghan told the FBI she didn't keep her gun loaded in the car. When she heard about Berreth, she got suspicious, checked it and found it loaded and one bullet missing. I think the FBI would test the gun to see if it was recently fired.

JMO

 

[PrairieWind]

The Colorado Bureau of Investigation did much of the footwork in this case. I think Colorado's system of having one central agency as a direct "boots on the ground" backup to the small jurisdictions with limited resources is fairly unique, and this case proves that it works well. IMO

I think most states have similar arrangements. Small departments retain control and jurisdiction but state investigators assist in technical matters following up on interviews, etc. and the FBI does the same.

 

[PrairieWind]

BBM. That's my point.

Meghan told the FBI she didn't keep her gun loaded in the car. When she heard about Berreth, she got suspicious, checked it and found it loaded and one bullet missing. I think the FBI would test the gun to see if it was recently fired.

JMO

I see what you're saying. But actually having a loaded magazine in the handgun, even if a round isn't chambered, is still considered "loaded." But as you say, the bigger issue is that it appears that one round was mysteriously fired. I think that testing the gun however could tell if the gun had been fired after its last cleaning, but I don't know that they could tell WHEN it had been fired.

 

[MyBelle]

You are putting words in my mouth, I said MAYBE she could have lied.....

You said maybe Meghan lied because she knew it was illegal to keep a loaded gun in the car.

I think Meghan told the truth to the FBI and she did not keep her gun loaded in the car.

JMO

 

[crhedBngr]

Well, personally, I just think of it as being "that black thingy LE is looking for."

That probably doesn't connect any dots, though. Sorry I can't be of any help, ab!

As long as the folks searching the landfills know what they are looking for, per LE's description, then no, it does not.

 

[MyBelle]

I see what you're saying. But actually having a loaded magazine in the handgun, even if a round isn't chambered, is still considered "loaded." But as you say, the bigger issue is that it appears that one round was mysteriously fired. I think that testing the gun however could tell if the gun had been fired after its last cleaning, but I don't know that they could tell WHEN it had been fired.

Meghan would know when it was last cleaned and maybe she could tell it had recently been fired? The AA says: Meghan felt it was suspicious the gun was in a different condition.

 

[ab01]

You said maybe Meghan lied because she knew it was illegal to keep a loaded gun in the car.

I think Meghan told the truth to the FBI and she did not keep her gun loaded in the car.

JMO

Noted: You think MG told the truth to the FBI and she did not keep her gun loaded in the car.

I think its possible that MG was crapping her pants bc she realized she had loaned a car to KK with a gun in it and she later learned KB was missing and likely murdered.

I think It's possible she was either miss remembering the guns condition or possibly trying to distance herself from any possible crimes.

This is my opinion!

I Agree to disagree

 

[gitana1]

Whether it is legal or not to carry a firearm in a vehicle, loaded or not, is governed by State law. The federal law referred to says that if you are traveling interstate, despite any State law prohibiting firearms, a person may transport a firearm in that state provided that it is in the trunk and unloaded. Colorado allows a loaded handgun in a vehicle, Idaho I believe does not.

I'm betting lots of people carry loaded guns in their vehicles in rural areas in the West. I doesn't seem like something most would blink at unless little kids had access.

Is that your experience?

 

[ilovechili]

I have a problem with the bathroom blood evidence too, I think that is where he killed KB, is the only way to account for blood being on the bottom of the trash can and the bath mat missing. I think he shut the door, so baby K would not hear, and hit her.

I think he and likely KK as well cleaned up in there, possibly even showered. She may have even rinsed out a mop, towels, etc. KB's mom I think found blood in the bathroom and thought it may be where she was killed. She could be right because KK's remarks come from a known liar. Sadly, there also may have been more than one scene of his attack on KB, how would we ever know? I think her mother noticing a missing bath mat may be due to the fact if she ever stayed with Kelsey, she was well aware of it if she showered there before shopping or going out to dinner taking Baby K to the park (this makes me mad, typing it, he took this away from that baby and KB away from her mother). I wonder too if she means the type of mat that goes in the shower or more like a rug outside the tub or toilet (not to start a conversation over bath mats now like totes lol). A few possibilities imho.

 

[tmar]

Could PF have inserted KB's bone fragments, into old animal meat, and discarded that ie a deceased animal, or even table left overs?
These hidden KB bone fragments would therefore be missed, if this discarded mess is ever located.
MOO.

 

[PrairieWind]

Meghan would know when it was last cleaned and maybe she could tell it had recently been fired? The AA says: Meghan felt it was suspicious the gun was in a different condition.

I bet when she learned of KK's connection to KB and then realized her gun was in the car that she took AND discovered it may have been fired, that she just about panicked!

 

[MtBab]

Something that has been a question in my mind..after KK spoke of the burning incident, doesn’t she describe a “lump”? Wouldn’t that mean everything was in the fire together, in a plastic tote (not a duffle bag)? The duffle bag probably would have completely incinerated but not a plastic tote. Maybe this is why the landfill is being searched...because there is probably much more than ash remnants. MOO

 

[Artis]

I haven't seen another one similar to this with such a fast arrest and turnaround either. CW's was fast, but in that case there was a body and CW's own moronic moves and behavior to go on. For there not to be a body so far in this one, I am pleasantly surprised to have charges so quickly.

The down side of that was that in deciding to move fast, instead of a longer and more difficult investigation, they cut the deal with KK too soon.

 

[PrairieWind]

I'm betting lots of people carry loaded guns in their vehicles in rural areas in the West. I doesn't seem like something most would blink at unless little kids had access.

Is that your experience?

Its very common.