CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #56 *ARREST*

[MassGuy]

@MassGuy that's one post that you've made that I don't agree with. If it meant him getting out of jail and putting someone else in his place, I don't think he'd have any problem throwing his mother under the bus.

It wouldn’t though. It would be throwing her under the bus to throw her under the bus.

Anything that occurred after the fact, doesn’t change what came before.

Regardless of if he would or wouldn’t do that to her, he still can’t do it and not incriminate himself.

 

[ilovechili]

I personally think he is done for but he can try to mitigate, blame others as ringleaders and attempt to take people down with him if he feels he is going down regardless... KK would probably be his first aim...

Jmo.

 

[MassGuy]

I personally think he is done for but he can try to mitigate, blame others as ringleaders and attempt to take people down with him if he feels he is going down regardless... KK would probably be his first aim...

Jmo.

If he was trying to mitigate, a guilty plea would be his best bet.

He’s trying to hit a home run, and that means blaming others while removing himself from any culpability. He thinks he can beat this, because he’s nothing if not arrogant.

Fortunately, the evidence complicates that, if it doesn’t make it flat out impossible.

 

[crhedBngr]

Nikki Battiste took questions last night about the 48 Hours episode.

<RSBMFF>


Nikki Battiste on Twitter
If Krystal’s story falls apart, it’s possible she could face a more serious charge. Stay tuned for Patrick Frazee’s upcoming trial and what follows for Krystal Lee.
@48hours #48Hours
10:13 PM · Oct 5, 2019

RBBM

I would like the above-bolded as an early Holiday wish fulfilled.

 

[Noharg]

DBM I just better not (#MS #48Hours).

 

[Artis]

@MassGuy that's one post that you've made that I don't agree with. If it meant him getting out of jail and putting someone else in his place, I don't think he'd have any problem throwing his mother under the bus.

He'd have to testify to do that and I don't think he will. He seems pretty good at keeping his mouth shut (unlike his cohort).

 

[Artis]

If he was trying to mitigate, a guilty plea would be his best bet.

He’s trying to hit a home run, and that means blaming others while removing himself from any culpability. He thinks he can beat this, because he’s nothing if not arrogant.

Fortunately, the evidence complicates that, if it doesn’t make it flat out impossible.

It's so unfortunate that the case against him depends upon that thing from Idaho - BUT.... it might not. We don't know about the DNA results on the teeth and bleach bottle. I guess he always try floating that the creature game the teeth after she committed the murder but his atty's failed to say they were going to offer an alternative theory of who dunnit, correct? In that case, not trying to blame the creature, he'd have a hard time explaining away having Kelsey's teeth - if they actually are hers.

 

[PommyMommy]

RBBM

I would like the above-bolded as an early Holiday wish fulfilled.

Santa has been informed. MOO

 

[GordianKnot]

That's right. She's claiming her testimony will incriminate her.

It will.

Or it would, if she did testify, which is why she won't.

"Mum's the word," so to speak.

When DA May calls her to the stand, SF's going to go as mute as PF.

She'll be sitting there stone-faced, pleading the 5th repeatedly, and the jury's going to be sitting there growing increasingly more convinced that she's trying to hide the truth from them about what her son did to KB.

Pleading the 5th is going to give every appearance of Ma F. having some type of guilty knowledge of PF's actions, if not direct involvement in helping him to plan or cover up KB's murder.

I do think we'll hear DA May utter the words, "Permission to treat the witness as hostile?" at some point.
Ma F. is going to be an extremely hostile witness for the prosecution. Her hackles will be visibly raised.

SF's almost-guaranteed antagonism toward the DA will merely serve to reinforce in jurors' minds that the words "Frazee" and "hostile" go together like "peanut butter" and "jelly."

SF pleading the 5th is going to be absolutely devastating to PF's defense in terms of the impression it's going to make on that jury.

YAY for DA May!

JMO.

 

[OldLadyBlues]

Just like the spot of blood she left during clean up for investigators to find.

I would love to agree with her, that she left blood as "clues". However, (now) knowing she went to Vegas, ate at Sonic, ate pizza at the Frazee Palace, took naps.....look, y'all I don't see anything other than pure unadulterated laziness on her part. "Clues", my tushie! She left what she left because she "didn't feel like" cleaning up the whole mess! It's a lot of work cleaning a grizzly, half dried crime scene. And even harder if you just don't feel like doing it. The "clues" statement was only made as a half-tushied attempt at being helpful to LE. KK is in the same league as PF. Their both equally evil.

MOO,MOO

 

[Love Never Fails]

I would love to agree with her, that she left blood as "clues". However, (now) knowing she went to Vegas, ate at Sonic, ate pizza at the Frazee Palace, took naps.....look, y'all I don't see anything other than pure unadulterated laziness on her part. "Clues", my tushie! She left what she left because she "didn't feel like" cleaning up the whole mess! It's a lot of work cleaning a grizzly, half dried crime scene. And even harder if you just don't feel like doing it. The "clues" statement was only made as a half-tushied attempt at being helpful to LE. KK is in the same league as PF. Their both equally evil.

MOO,MOO

Thanks. I have been saying this all along.

 

[Seattle1]

It will.

Or it would, if she did testify, which is why she won't.

"Mum's the word," so to speak.

When DA May calls her to the stand, SF's going to go as mute as PF.

She'll be sitting there stone-faced, pleading the 5th repeatedly, and the jury's going to be sitting there growing increasingly more convinced that she's trying to hide the truth from them about what her son did to KB.

Pleading the 5th is going to give every appearance of Ma F. having some type of guilty knowledge of PF's actions, if not direct involvement in helping him to plan or cover up KB's murder.

I do think we'll hear DA May utter the words, "Permission to treat the witness as hostile?" at some point.
Ma F. is going to be an extremely hostile witness for the prosecution. Her hackles will be visibly raised.

SF's almost-guaranteed antagonism toward the DA will merely serve to reinforce in jurors' minds that the words "Frazee" and "hostile" go together like "peanut butter" and "jelly."

SF pleading the 5th is going to be absolutely devastating to PF's defense in terms of the impression it's going to make on that jury.

YAY for DA May!

JMO.

But while testifying for the defense on how PF is her favorite son, and brilliant father, she'll bring out her archived bag of tricks including:

PF's plaster hand print from primary school, that decorated paper plate turkey from grade 1, etc., And wait -- the unforgettable HS rodeo trophy-- all perfect evidence why PF as the murderer is absolutely impossible!

MOO

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I would love to agree with her, that she left blood as "clues". However, (now) knowing she went to Vegas, ate at Sonic, ate pizza at the Frazee Palace, took naps.....look, y'all I don't see anything other than pure unadulterated laziness on her part. "Clues", my tushie! She left what she left because she "didn't feel like" cleaning up the whole mess! It's a lot of work cleaning a grizzly, half dried crime scene. And even harder if you just don't feel like doing it. The "clues" statement was only made as a half-tushied attempt at being helpful to LE. KK is in the same league as PF. Their both equally evil.

MOO,MOO

When LE initially searched the condo they didn’t find any signs that a crime took place. KB’s family are the ones who noticed the blood. I’m not giving KK any credit, but she must have cleaned it pretty darn good.
jmo

 

[Seattle1]

When LE initially searched the condo they didn’t find any signs that a crime took place. KB’s family are the ones who noticed the blood. I’m not giving KK any credit, but she must have cleaned it pretty darn good.
jmo

That, coupled with police really not looking at the condo as a crime scene.

It took some time before LE believed that KB was involuntarily missing.

PF did a good job promoting to WPPD that KB was one unstable, woman that took off to see her grandmother, and left her child behind.

 

[MassGuy]

When LE initially searched the condo they didn’t find any signs that a crime took place. KB’s family are the ones who noticed the blood. I’m not giving KK any credit, but she must have cleaned it pretty darn good.
jmo

Exactly. Not only did law enforcement miss it, but it took some time for Kelsey’s family to discover blood. Considering how much blood there must have been, this was no small achievement on KK’s part.

I think that most people believe that KK new she left blood behind, but she framed it as an intentional act for a noble purpose.

That doesn’t jibe with her lying to the FBI when her involvement was discovered, so her framing is almost certainly a lie.

Unless there is some other evidence that points to this being intentional on her part, I don’t buy it.

I think she got hungry and quit cleaning. Sonic is pretty good after all.

 

[MassGuy]

That, coupled with police really not looking at the condo as a crime scene.

It took some time before LE believed that KB was involuntarily missing.

PF did a good job promoting to WPPD that KB was one unstable, woman that took off to see her grandmother, and left her child behind.

He did, and it appears that law enforcement initially bought his narrative.

I look forward to the defense’s explanation of this.

 

[ajaylee]

I can understand why SF doesn't want to say anything that could reflect badly on PF.

What I can't understand is what she herself could have possibly done that she thinks might make her personally subject to criminal prosecution.

If she's potentially subject to prosecution just for knowing something about PF's activities and keeping her mouth shut, then surely KK's friend and the husband/wife attorneys she talked to are equally criminally liable.

 

[Gigi3]

Exactly. Not only did law enforcement miss it, but it took some time for Kelsey’s family to discover blood. Considering how much blood there must have been, this was no small achievement on KK’s part.

I think that most people believe that KK new she left blood behind, but she framed it as an intentional act for a noble purpose.

That doesn’t jibe with her lying to the FBI when her involvement was discovered, so her framing is almost certainly a lie.

Unless there is some other evidence that points to this being intentional on her part, I don’t buy it.

I think she got hungry and quit cleaning. Sonic is pretty good after all.

I’m definitely NOT giving KK any credit, but I think she may have intentionally left a few spots for a just in case this went south scenario. Of course, initially her first response is lie, lie, lie.
But then, when she knew LE had her, KK played her ace by saying she left drops in hopes they would “find” her. Which of course that was total BS! IMO.

 

[MassGuy]

I can understand why SF doesn't want to say anything that could reflect badly on PF.

What I can't understand is what she herself could have possibly done that she thinks might make her personally subject to criminal prosecution.

If she's potentially subject to prosecution just for knowing something about PF's activities and keeping her mouth shut, then surely KK's friend and the husband/wife attorneys she talked to are equally criminally liable.

Those attorneys aren’t liable because they didn’t help PF commit a crime. They didn’t go to the police, which isn’t illegal.

SF’s exposure must be something else, as her attorney apparently advised that she take the Fifth.

I think it’s possible that she’s worried about being an accessory after the fact.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I can understand why SF doesn't want to say anything that could reflect badly on PF.

What I can't understand is what she herself could have possibly done that she thinks might make her personally subject to criminal prosecution.

If she's potentially subject to prosecution just for knowing something about PF's activities and keeping her mouth shut, then surely KK's friend and the husband/wife attorneys she talked to are equally criminally liable.

I agree with your thinking about KK's cronies, but unfortunately just having 'knowledge' of a potential crime isn't a crime. However, I could guess a few things might apply to SF:
1) Lying to LE
2) Tampering with evidence
3) Aiding and abetting

I think Dear ole' MaF knows a whole hellz of a lot more than we can guess!