CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #57 *ARREST*

[Love Never Fails]

Not KK, the former girlfriend who he may have threatened.

Oh. Makes s difference doesn’t it! Lol. I’m sorry. Thought that was KK.

 

[susiQ]

(Snipped deleted quote)

I have no doubt the defence will present certain testimony casting KB in a negative light as they can omit the fact that PF is a murderous narcissist. Living and dealing with a narc is brutal. Kelsey suffered this nut job for too long. If nothing else, but sadly too late, she realized what she was dealing with and sought the help she needed to find her way clear. Nothing, and I mean nothing, will change my opinion of KB. She was an amazing young woman, a loving mother and a faithful daughter and friend.

 

[MemPat]

Run fast enough? Only way she ran was TO a crime scene to clean it up. She was never afraid of PF.

She didn’t stay in Idaho and call LE. She didn’t run and hide her children. Nope. She kept her deal, cleaned up, took a nap at his house, scurried on back to Idaho so she could hop on that plane with her friends to party in Vegas. Her competition was dead and she had to celebrate.
Her kids? Oh they were left home with hubby. No time for them. All the time in the world for PF.

Different girlfriend.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I'm sorry I was not clear -- I'm referring to PF's g/f prior to KB and KK.

She gave interview from prison where she was incarcerated for unrelated offense. Her mother was also very vocal about how dangerous PF was.

I’m sorry. Thought you were referring to KK and her mother. I did not know the mom of his former gf was interviewed or I forgot.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Different girlfriend.

I know. I’m going to be apologizing all night.

 

[PommyMommy]

I think it was an exaggeration. I believe the witness they are referring to is the lady who will not let PF work with her horse because she said he seemed cruel to horses or dogs. She never said cattle and never said he hit them with a metal rod.
Although, there may be other witnesses that the DA wanted to bring forward.

I do believe the word “bludgeoned” was an exaggeration.

You may be right but I don't know how they could get a cow and metal rod mixed up with a horse and a rasp. I think it could very well be an additional account. MOO

 

[PommyMommy]

Shucks! And I was hoping he'd been recruiting someone to help him eliminate the one person HE thought could implicate him. Not really. It's not that I want to see her suffer the same fate, I just wanted her to see she was next on his "hit" list. Might deflate her ego a bit.

Truth is, CB and Kelsey's friends are going to sink his ship! And, his own stupidity of course and that includes KK

Absolutely. He told CB he and Kelsey went to Cracker Barrel. He told the social worker that he picked up Baby K and took her on some jobs. Who knows what he told some of those other 255 witnesses! MOO

 

[Seattle1]

CO is a bit different, but one stationary camera was allowed to be streamed for the James Holmes trial and that was very high profile...all depends on the judge.

^^sbm

Actually, that's not true. By Supreme Court Decision, the court allowed "close circuit tv coverage for James Holmes trial, and trial was not "live streamed."

 

[?mysterian?]

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Judge says he needs additional time to review statements Kelsey Berreth reportedly made to her mother about Sheila Frazee. Judge says he needs more context & notes he had discussions of immunity with Sheila Frazee. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee

9:14 AM - 18 Oct 2019

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What!?! Why is the judge discussing immunity with an adult defendant's mommy?

 

[Seattle1]

When a trial isn’t televised what’s typical protocol for high-profile multi-day criminal trials now? Not just in CO, but in general?

^^sbbm

The guidelines regarding media/camera coverage in State courtrooms is governed by each respective state. There is not a "blanket" guideline-- except for US District Courtrooms (Federal trials).

Colorado is provided for under Colorado Supreme Court Rules, Chapter 38, Rule 3, Media Coverage of Court Proceedings, effective July 1, 2010. The Rule also outlines each step necessary to garner approval for such coverage.

 

[Seattle1]

double post....

 

[BUF]

^^sbm

Actually, that's not true. By Supreme Court Decision, the court allowed "close circuit tv coverage for James Holmes trial, and trial was not "live streamed."

Many of us watched and followed that trial. The live stream link was listed on the first page of the many threads on WS.

Movie Theater Massacre in Colorado

 

[susiQ]

I have a question for @gitana1 or anyone that may have a knowledgable opinion.

Steigerwald expressed his need for more time to prepare given the volume of evidence against his client and it appears the Judge did not give in to his request and the trial will proceed on time, Oct. 28th. Now, when PF is found guilty, and I'm certain he will be, does this open the door for an appeal by PF that he did not receive adequate representation in that his attorney did not have enough time to prepare?
eta:1

 

[Seattle1]

Pursuant to Colorado Supreme Court Rules, Chapter 38, Rule 3, we already know there will be no expanded media coverage (EMC) for the criminal trial of PF.

We now need to be on watch for the the Courts revised Standing Decorum Order which Judge alluded to during the preliminary trial hearing 10/18/19 (i.e., considering yes/no live tweeting during the trial).

The basis for the Judge's order is the Court’s intent to preserve the processes by which a fair trial may be conducted.

The Court has already issued statements about the limitations of the 100 year old courtroom of Teller County in it's initial Decorum Order.

I expect we'll also learn of restrictions to apply to areas within the Teller County Court (as already imposed on the sidewalks, entrances, etc. where PF enters), as well as the operating courtroom.

From the last trial followed where "live tweeting" was not permitted during the trial, the restrictions were delivered by Decorum Order. A snip from the order follows:

All electronic devices, including but not limited to, computers, cameras, cell phones, video phones, tape recorders, IPads, or other recording or transmitting devices or any devices capable of communicating from the inside of Applicable Areas to the outside of Applicable Areas shall be barred except as set forth here and above or as may be permitted by any ruling on expanded media coverage.

Any person who attempts to or does operate any recording or transmitting device within these areas in violation of the Court’s Order shall be removed from the premises and the device(s) shall be confiscated and/or the person shall be subject to contempt of Court.

This provision shall not apply to employees of the Court or the XYZ County Sheriff’s Office, or to other law enforcement personnel in the XYZ County Court Complex for law enforcement purposes.

Nothing in this Order shall prohibit prosecution attorneys or defense counsel and
their respective staffs from having these devices to the extent necessary to further the prosecution or defense of the case, provided, however, that any communication and/or visual recordings or transmission capabilities of such devices shall be turned off and not used except by specific permission of the Court.

 

[GordianKnot]

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Judge says Berreth described Frazee to Hill utilizing genitalia. He says it’s crude, but he doesn’t find it self-serving or fictitious. Judge will allow that statement. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee

9:20 AM - 18 Oct 2019

JUDGE ALLOWING THAT PF IS A D***K!!

RSABBM:

THIS. IS. PRICELESS!!!

Can we please just keep bumping this post of S1's every hour on the hour between now and the trial?

Because, really, this can't be stated enough times, at least not for my ears.

Kelsey nailed it!

So glad that her words will be heard in that courtroom.

Without asterisks, even.

*ETA: Are we sure KB used the term D***K to characterize PF?
Because I can think of some words involving female genitalia that would be equally apropos...

JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

RSABBM:

THIS. IS. PRICELESS!!!

Can we please just keep bumping this post of S1's every hour on the hour between now and the trial?

Because, really, this can't be stated enough times, at least not for these ears.

Kelsey nailed it!

So glad that her words will be heard in that courtroom.

Without asterisks, even.

JMO.

I’ve been looking for a good avatar to represent this, but unfortunately I’ve run into some issues with Google Images.

I think some people would describe them as “pornographic.”

 

[Seattle1]

I have a question for @gitana1 or anyone that may have a knowledgable opinion.

Steigerwald expressed his need for more time to prepare given the volume of evidence against his client and it appears the Judge did not give in to his request and the trial will proceed on time, Oct. 28th. Now, when PF is found guilty, and I'm certain he will be, does this open the door for an appeal by PF that he did not receive adequate representation in that his attorney did not have enough time to prepare?
eta:1

I think more telling is that the Judge didn't even entertain the idea to delay trial for defense to have more time. The State immediately shut down their complaint about tardy discovery when they've clearly delivered the goods just as soon as they've been received.

I can't speak to the appeal, but I'm yet not to hear a defense lament about needing more time, or move for the charges be dismissed - arguing the prosecution failed provided enough evidence. That's just what the defense does!

MOO

 

[susiQ]

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RSABBM:

THIS. IS. PRICELESS!!!

Can we please just keep bumping this post of S1's every hour on the hour between now and the trial?

Because, really, this can't be stated enough times, at least not for my ears.

Kelsey nailed it!

So glad that her words will be heard in that courtroom.

Without asterisks, even.

*ETA: Are we sure KB used the term D***K to characterize PF?
Because I can think of some words involving female genitalia that would be equally apropos...

JMO.

You know, I think Judge Sells is a good guy, even if he won't allow live tweets from his courtroom

 

[susiQ]

I think more telling is that the Judge didn't even entertain the idea to delay trial for defense to have more time. The State immediately shut down their complaint about tardy discovery when they've clearly delivered the goods just as soon as they've been received.

I can't speak to the appeal, but I'm yet not to hear a defense lament about needing more time, or move for the charges be dismissed - arguing the prosecution failed provided enough evidence. That's just what the defense does!

MOO

Thanks @Seattle1. Appreciate the response. Like everyone here, I can't wait for this show to "get on the road."

 

[MassGuy]

Y

You know, I think Judge Sells is a good guy, even if he won't allow live tweets from his courtroom

He’s keeping the trial on track, which is the most positive development to come out of today’s hearing.

If he does ban live Tweets, he’s going to be the subject of angry Tweets from yours truly (once my account gets unlocked from some prior angry Tweets).