CO - Possible Serial Shooter Has Colorado Drivers on Edge #3

[Foxfire]

Bumping Forager's NOCO Shooter Case Map Link for guest viewers;

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=z_XRj_yu3Dto.kzPJOvnNDQio

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Jun 5, 2015 - In April, Cori Romero, 20, was driving when somebody shot her through the neck on an I-25 entrance ramp near Fort Collins, north of Loveland
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/04/us/colorado-shootings/

Colorado police check if killing linked to 2 other shootings
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May 21, 2015
CNN's Don Lemon speaks to Cori Romero, who was shot in the neck while driving home from work in .

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/05/22/ctn-intv-lemon-cori-romero-colorado-shooting.cnn

 

[Forager]

Lol. If AZ wants info on CO they would be better served to read here! Forager can supply the maps, and spreadsheets. Foxfire can fill them in on the possible weapons, and the million theories we have explored.
All CO can tell them is CO has really, really, weird road debris. Lol

Do I detect a note of frustration in this levity, or am I just projecting mine? Watching, with a bit of jealousy, at the good information flow in the AZ case, I have to remind myslef that the NOCO Task Force's public relations approach, well chosen or not, is just one aspect of what they are doing, that they have put more work into this than any of us, and have to be way more frustrated.

As Foxfire pointed out long ago, these types of crimes are very hard to solve. The clearance rate in similar clusters from 2013 to date that I've been surveying is very low.

And if we are frustrated, imagine the German cops trying to figure this one out:

GEIR MOULSON, The World Post, (affiliated with the Huffington Post), 11/20/2012:
Germany Highway Shootings: Freeway Gunfire At Trucks Investigated By Police

"... more than 700 shootings, which started in mid-2008 and have occurred across Germany's south and west. "As far as we know, the perpetrator is not targeting people &#8211; it is often the cars loaded on the back of car transporters that were shot at," an investigator said. They're pretty much in the dark. [He] said investigators have "no concrete indications" as to who the assailant, or assailants, may be." There has only been one injury in connection with the series.

 

[katydid23]

William 'LaTennant?' on Gretchen Carlson on FNC:

He just reported that two potential suspects are being questioned in the shootings on Highway 10 in AZ. He said they are an unnamed couple, a man and a woman, who were stopped by undercover officers today on the highway.

The reporter was showing a white SUV when he was reporting but he did not say that was their car. But he did say ' there was no explanation given for why their car was pulled over...' as the camera was looking at the white SUV.

 

[trigger]

I got an alert on Fox 10

Police are questioning two people in freeway shooting

 

[DexterMorgan]

About time. Fingers crossed.

 

[searchinGirl]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/1...ossible-shootings-on-interstate/?intcmp=hpbt3

a lot of articles posted but at this link I found this quote...

"A series of apparently random roadside shootings in northern Colorado earlier this year raised alarm that a serial shooter might be trolling areas roads.A member of the task force investigating the northern Colorado shootings that left a cyclist dead and a driver injured called authorities in Arizona to see if there were any similarities, said David Moore, a spokesman for the Larimer County Sheriff's Office. Investigators found no links, he said."

it crossed my mind back when the FBI came to town that there was something bigger going on than just what was happening in Colorado and that the FBI could be saying the shootings of CR and JJ were part of it...I thought recently that perhaps the Phoenix shootings would be connected to the shootings here...but I guess not...

 

[Forager]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/1...ossible-shootings-on-interstate/?intcmp=hpbt3

a lot of articles posted but at this link I found this quote...

"A series of apparently random roadside shootings in northern Colorado earlier this year raised alarm that a serial shooter might be trolling areas roads.A member of the task force investigating the northern Colorado shootings that left a cyclist dead and a driver injured called authorities in Arizona to see if there were any similarities, said David Moore, a spokesman for the Larimer County Sheriff's Office. Investigators found no links, he said."

it crossed my mind back when the FBI came to town that there was something bigger going on than just what was happening in Colorado and that the FBI could be saying the shootings of CR and JJ were part of it...I thought recently that perhaps the Phoenix shootings would be connected to the shootings here...but I guess not...

When the authorities have stated that the NOCO and AZ cases "aren't related" they mean that they haven't established a relationship - shared ballistics, or a perpetrator involved in both, or something - but that doesn't mean that they aren't related. No one can know that until one or both of the cases have been solved. Rather than get into another of my rants about the huge increase in random vehicle shootings that we've seen this year, let me dip into history.

From PLOS Public Health Perspectives, John Snow &#8211; The First Epidemiologist

Pre-1900&#8217;s, the predominant theory behind disease transmission was the &#8220;Miasma theory.&#8221; In short, this theory suggested that diseases were spread through &#8220;bad air.&#8221; [Airborn debris]. In 1854, a major cholera outbreak struck London. From August 31st to September 3rd, 127 people died. Within a week, 500 people had died... . This all occurred within 250 yards of the Cambridge Street and Broad Street intersection... . Then a London surgeon named John Snow came in and started an investigation.

He examined the neighbourhood, and talked to everyone he could. He was looking for an underlying theme that linked these people together. The more he looked, the more it seemed like a water pump was responsible. Almost all the cases of cholera occurred close to the Broad Street Pump. There were only 10 cases that were closer to another pump.... . Of these, 5 preferred the water from the Broad Street Pump and 3 were children who went to school near the Broad Street Pump. The last two were unrelated, and likely just background levels of cholera in the population. This was pretty convincing, but Snow mapped it out to make sure that he was on the right track.



The evidence Snow presented in favour of his findings were too compelling for the local council to ignore, and while there was resistance to this finding, Snow had said enough for the local council to remove the pump handle, halting the spread of the disease. .. . At that point, no one had a theory to explain the relationship. It wasn&#8217;t until 1885, when Robert Koch identified V. cholerae as the bacillus causing the disease that he had proof of his theory."

 

[Portabella]

https://www.facebook.com/Morgan-County-Sheriffs-Office-112159085467118/timeline/ if you look at this, it does confirm that there was another that happened, but also there is rumor of yet another. I think they are not being forthcoming, why? I do not know....IMHO

 

[Forager]

https://www.facebook.com/Morgan-County-Sheriffs-Office-112159085467118/timeline/ if you look at this, it does confirm that there was another that happened, but also there is rumor of yet another. I think they are not being forthcoming, why? I do not know....IMHO

Unless I missed an earlier post of yours, welcome to the thead, Portabella! And especially so for bringing us such a fascinating little real life puzzle. It took me a bit of head scratching before the penny dropped. Let me know if you think I've misunderstood anything. The link is to Morgan CSO's Facebook page. (Morgan is the county just to the east of Weld. The county border is in green in the screen shot below). The page has a post of a Colorado State Patrol press release:

Colorado State Patrol; Press Release
Trooper Nate Reid; Public Information Officer
303-239-4583; E-mail: [email protected]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Date: 9/9/20105 Time: 4:45P.M.
On Thursday, September 3rd at approximately 9:07 A.M. the Colorado State Patrol responded to a two-vehicle crash resulting in one fatality on Highway 34 just east of Highway 144 in Morgan County. A 2000 Buick Park Avenue was westbound on Highway 34 near mile marker 144 when it traveled into the eastbound lane and collided head-on with an eastbound 2005 Peterbilt Semi Tractor. The unrestrained driver of the Buick, Keith Kallsen age 59 of Ft. Morgan died on scene. The driver of the Peterbilt, Keith Montes age 31 of Ft. Morgan was uninjured in the crash. There was no evidence of the Buick being shot at prior to or after the crash. Drugs or alcohol are not suspected as being factors in this crash. The cause of this crash remains under investigation.

Morgan County Sheriff's Office added this note of its own a couple of hours later over the CSP release:

September 9 at 6:43pm ·
The Colorado State Patrol issued this press release in response to numerous rumors being circulated that Mr Kallsen being shot was part of the accident which claimed his life.
There had been an apparent shooting of a vehicle reported to law enforcement which occurred a few days before the crash, near the Morgan-Weld County line, which was a couple of miles from the scene of the accident.
We would hope rather than continue the flow of rumors such as this, people would ask official sources and help quell them. Especially in a time like this, families and friends already experiencing a tragedy do not need additional stressors.

I can see why CSP might mention that no drugs or alcohol were involved, but why does CSP mention that shots didn't have anything to do with it? And what "apparent shooting of a vehicle" is the Morgan CSO talking about "from a few days before the crash"? The crash was on 9/3/15, so the shooting would have been on 8/31/15. I think that that has to be the shot fired into the windshield of Gary Criswell's semi! Even though they were apparently unrelated, the crash and the shooting both happened on Highway 34 near mile marker 144. However did you notice that, Portabella?

 

[katydid23]

CNN just showed the 20 yr old who was just arrested---but it was for possession of pot---not for any shootings. They said his name too but I could not hear it. It was a Hispanic name but my doggie was barking so I missed it.

 

[Foxfire]

CNN just showed the 20 yr old who was just arrested---but it was for possession of pot---not for any shootings. They said his name too but I could not hear it. It was a Hispanic name but my doggie was barking so I missed it.

<BBM for focus>

katydid23, Maybe your doggie was trying to tell you something.. A few pages back, we had discussed that investigators/LE will often times arrest POIs in domestic, or other terror related crimes, on lesser unrelated charges to hold them while digging deeper into their past..

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"Imo, the NOCO Sniper Task Force could learn a very valuable lesson of how important the investigative resource of the American Public is, from the Arizona DPS in random serial shooter investigations". "Many, if not most high profile crimes are solved due to an a aware and informed citizen's tip".. jmo

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...persons-interest-detained-shootings/72074246/

"We're just talking to him about a number of things, quite possibly this investigation," he said.

Oscar De La Torre Munoz
Oscar De La Torre Munoz (Photo: Maricopa County Sheriff's Office)
Graves stopped short of saying whether tips or other evidence led investigators to the person of interest, but he said community calls had proved instrumental in the investigation. A $20,000 reward has been offered for information leading to an arrest in the shootings.

"We couldn&#8217;t be as far along as we are without the help of the public," he said, declining to say whether those responsible were off the streets. He urged the public to keep calling with tips.

Graves shed little light on what he called an ongoing investigation, but said Friday's apprehension was the product of several troopers and undercover officers combing the roadways.

 

[Forager]

That story posted just below by Foxfire (DPS: Multiple Phoenix freeway shooters likely; 'person of interest' identified) has this map embedded in it from MapBox.com. It's showing the 11 incidents that LE believes to be related to the case.
https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/arizo...SIsImEiOiJjLUp6VVNVIn0.-jE8ko0txUPkAWBK08VP7g

Here's a link to ABC 15's Valley Freeway Shootings Google map. It is currently showing 11 "confirmed shooting locations" and 8 "unconfirmed shooting locations", and has gotten 731,818 views.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/embed?mid=zu2bNacaxUcY.kLsjTZQ4QsLQ

 

[Foxfire]

That story posted just below by Foxfire (DPS: Multiple Phoenix freeway shooters likely; 'person of interest' identified) has this map embedded in it from MapBox.com. It's showing the 11 incidents that LE believes to be related to the case.
https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/arizo...SIsImEiOiJjLUp6VVNVIn0.-jE8ko0txUPkAWBK08VP7g

Here's a link to ABC 15's Valley Freeway Shootings Google map. It is currently showing 11 "confirmed shooting locations" and 8 "unconfirmed shooting locations", and has gotten 731,818 views.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/embed?mid=zu2bNacaxUcY.kLsjTZQ4QsLQ

Interesting, Forager.. Wonder why there is such a discrepancy? While watching an interview with retired police officer, lawyer, and Florida Judge Alex Ferrer, on Fox & Friends/Fox News. He explained why LE doesn't name a person as a suspect, as in the past, but now refer to them as POI<person of interest>. This new SOP/policy began after the 1996 Atlanta Olympic park bombing when Security Guard Richard Jewell was wrongly named as a suspect/the perp. Initially hailed by the media as a hero, Jewell was later considered a suspect. .. Jewell successfully sued the Atlanta Journal-Constitution newspaper and many other media outlets, as well as law enforcement agencies.. Eric Rudolf, was later convicted for the bombing..
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* PHOENIX (KSAZ) - There are a group of civilians that have decided to take matters into their own hands.

They call themselves 'Bolt Force' and they are armed and out looking for the shooter.
They're dressed in all black, wearing external vest body armor and armed with semi-automatic weapons. The group says they plan to do foot patrols in this community.

Many of the group members are former military, body guards, security, or bounty hunters, and some have law enforcement training.
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http://www.fox10phoenix.com/arizona-news/18346673-story
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D.C. Sniper expert weighs in on Arizona incidents

PHOENIX (KSAZ) - Arizona State Troopers continue to search for the shooter, or shooters responsible for a string of incidents on Valley freeways. Officials with DPS have been tight-lipped about the investigation, including whether they have a profile of the shooter.

The situation reminds some of the snipers who terrorized Washington D.C. back in the fall of 2002. Mark Spicer, an expert witness in the prosecution of that case actually lives in the valley, and he weighs in on the valleys situation.

Spicer believes there are two shooters and at least one copycat. He doesn't think the person is a professional, but there is a possibility that the person is intentionally missing.

"It can be a multitude of reasons, one of which the person wants to be famous, but doesn't want to kill people, so he could be missing on purpose just to scare people. It may be that the person is an amateur, and they don't understand the correlation between the moving bullet and the ballistics and the moving vehicle. Or it could possibly be your worst case scenario, somebody who is making the police look stupid and is going to step his game up later," said Mark Spicer.

"What a sniper can do is get inside somebody's head and terrorize an entire community, even a city as big as Phoenix and disrupt almost the entire economics of the city by just making people late for work, making people not go to work, parents keeping their kids from school because they don't want to take them through that risk. It's a very easy weapon to use and a very difficult weapon to stop," said Spicer.

Spicer says the key is getting inside that sniper's head.
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http://www.fox10phoenix.com/arizona-news/18823341-story

 

[Forager]

That story posted just below by Foxfire (DPS: Multiple Phoenix freeway shooters likely; 'person of interest' identified) has this map embedded in it from MapBox.com. It's showing the 11 incidents that LE believes to be related to the case.
https://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v4/arizo...SIsImEiOiJjLUp6VVNVIn0.-jE8ko0txUPkAWBK08VP7g

Here's a link to ABC 15's Valley Freeway Shootings Google map. It is currently showing 11 "confirmed shooting locations" and 8 "unconfirmed shooting locations", and has gotten 731,818 views.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/embed?mid=zu2bNacaxUcY.kLsjTZQ4QsLQ

Interesting, Forager.. Wonder why there is such a discrepancy? <abridged, in response, for focus>

I don't think that it's a discrepancy so much as a difference in the two organizations' appetite for risk and uncertainty. The mapper doing the MapBox map is only mapping information blessed by the DPS, whereas the ABC mapper is also putting up markers for reasonable, but tentative reports coming in from other sources. It's the same sort of situation for them as for us: do we restrict ourselves to relying on information that's made it thru MSM's filters, or allow ourselves to report things we're less sure of from social media or our own sources? If I could only map incidents confirmed to be part of the NOCO case by the Task Force, I'd have one dot for the Romero shooting and another for the Jacoby killing. But I do restrict myself to mapping information with MSM sources and generally try to stay within WS guidelines for what's postable.

 

[Foxfire]

I don't think that it's a discrepancy so much as a difference in the two organizations' appetite for risk and uncertainty. The mapper doing the MapBox map is only mapping information blessed by the DPS, whereas the ABC mapper is also putting up markers for reasonable, but tentative reports coming in from other sources. It's the same sort of situation for them as for us: do we restrict ourselves to relying on information that's made it thru MSM's filters, or allow ourselves to report things we're less sure of from social media or our own sources? If I could only map incidents confirmed to be part of the NOCO case by the Task Force, I'd have one dot for the Romero shooting and another for the Jacoby killing. But I do restrict myself to mapping information with MSM sources and generally try to stay within WS guidelines for what's possible.

Something that we may not be considering is a very valuable resource that Law Enforcement has available to them: FBI BAU ViCAP.
Task Force Investigators from the three states with current active shooters<that we are aware of>; AZ, CO, and MI, are utilizing this critical investigative tool, imo.

ViCAP is a database that stores info and other data on past and active crimes across the US that allows investigators to compare cases for similar patterns that may link their cases or provide possible motives, and other pertinent info. The FBI maintains the database and analysts assist investigators with case linkages in other states or geographical areas, etc.

The NCAVC: National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime - Quantico, VA
Behavioral Analysis Unit 1 (counterterrorism, arson and bombing matters);

The Violent Criminal Apprehension Program (ViCAP) consists of a database and web-based tool available to law enforcement agencies to link homicides, sexual assaults, missing person, and unidentified human remains that may be geographically dispersed, allowing police departments to better coordinate communication and investigative efforts on potentially linked crimes. The FBI maintains the database and our analysts assist investigators with case linkages and other analysis. Over 5,000 law enforcement agencies have participated in ViCAP&#8212;created in 1985&#8212;and have contributed more than 85,000 cases to the system.

NCAVC staff provide operational support for a range of cases, including but not limited to domestic and international terrorism<snipped>

NCAVC provides the following services:

Crime analysis;
Profiles of unknown offenders;
Offender motivation;
Linkage analysis;
Investigative suggestions;
Multi-agency coordination;
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https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cirg/investigations-and-operations-support

 

[FindHG]

Something that we may not be considering is a very valuable resource that Law Enforcement has available to them: FBI BAU ViCAP.
Task Force Investigators from the three states with current active shooters<that we are aware of>; AZ, CO, and MI, are utilizing this critical investigative tool, imo.

ViCAP is a database that stores info and other data on past and active crimes across the US that allows investigators to compare cases for similar patterns that may link their cases or provide possible motives, and other pertinent info. The FBI maintains the database and analysts assist investigators with case linkages in other states or geographical areas, etc.

The NCAVC: National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime - Quantico, VA
Behavioral Analysis Unit 1 (counterterrorism, arson and bombing matters);

The Violent Criminal Apprehension Program (ViCAP) consists of a database and web-based tool available to law enforcement agencies to link homicides, sexual assaults, missing person, and unidentified human remains that may be geographically dispersed, allowing police departments to better coordinate communication and investigative efforts on potentially linked crimes. The FBI maintains the database and our analysts assist investigators with case linkages and other analysis. Over 5,000 law enforcement agencies have participated in ViCAP&#8212;created in 1985&#8212;and have contributed more than 85,000 cases to the system.

NCAVC staff provide operational support for a range of cases, including but not limited to domestic and international terrorism<snipped>

NCAVC provides the following services:

Crime analysis;
Profiles of unknown offenders;
Offender motivation;
Linkage analysis;
Investigative suggestions;
Multi-agency coordination;
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https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cirg/investigations-and-operations-support

Task force battles Phoenix freeway shootings with crime-solving arsenal
Dennis Wagner, Jim Walsh & Connie Cone Sexton,
The Arizona Republic
3:10 pm mst, September 12 '15


[... one of the methods mentioned here, as well, Foxfire]

"Meanwhile, experts say DPS commanders undoubtedly are following a playbook for investigating serial crimes, and relying on a known grab-bag of tools. Among the key elements:"

[...]

 

[Foxfire]

Task force battles Phoenix freeway shootings with crime-solving arsenal
Dennis Wagner, Jim Walsh & Connie Cone Sexton,
The Arizona Republic
3:10 pm mst, September 12 '15


[... one of the methods mentioned here, as well, Foxfire]

"Meanwhile, experts say DPS commanders undoubtedly are following a playbook for investigating serial crimes, and relying on a known grab-bag of tools. Among the key elements:"

[...]

Excellent article by Dennis Wagner, Jim Walsh & Connie Cone Sexton, FindHG, Thanx for sharing.. I am very impressed with the AZ highway shooter investigation.. but there has to be a common denominator for the rash of highway shooters across the USA as of late.. jmo

 

[FindHG]

Excellent article by Dennis Wagner, Jim Walsh & Connie Cone Sexton, FindHG, Thanx for sharing.. I am very impressed with the AZ highway shooter investigation.. but there has to be a common denominator for the rash of highway shooters across the USA as of late.. jmo

I keep going in circles on this and it all feels out there. Does it have something to do

with training (based on some call to arms for some cause),

with competition (based on some common growing gaming mentality, anonymous internet bids with bit coin, seemingly random),

or with territory (based on contraband/commerce)?

Then again, that is just making connections where none seem to exist, which may be a connection in itself. Nobody is claiming these, taunting the public, they all have the sense of wanting to go on and on.

 

[Forager]

Some balm for the worry prone in NOCO, from a 9/12/15 USA Today piece:
Phoenix shootings bring random highway terror

Reporter, William Pitts: The longer this goes on, the worse the frenzy gets. We&#8217;re hearing some unconfirmed report almost every 15 minutes. What all of this leads to: the impression that you could be next. But experts say that makes it appear a little more widespread than it is.

Danielle Wallace: &#8220;The probability [of getting shot] is amazingly small.&#8221;

Reporter: Danielle Wallace, of AZU School of Criminology, has crunched the numbers. Numbers of cars vs numbers of attacks.

Danielle Wallace: &#8220;You have the same likelihood of getting hit by a meteor as you do of being a victim of a shooting on I-10&#8230; . I think people are worried, perhaps needlessly, given the statistics, but it&#8217;s also understandable because many of us have to travel the I-10.&#8221;

The rest of the piece focused on how terrificly terribly terrifying the reporter thinks these kinds of attacks are. The story does supply one item of information in support of this conclusion: A guy said he had texted his girl friend yesterday to tell her he got home safely.

So far, I haven't seen any indications of terror in Phoenix or NOCO - just reporters, 'experts' and PIO's assumptions that people are scared. Are you guys in Colorado seeing any terror there?

 

[FindHG]

Some balm for the worry prone in NOCO, from a 9/12/15 USA Today piece:
Phoenix shootings bring random highway terror

Reporter, William Pitts: The longer this goes on, the worse the frenzy gets. We&#8217;re hearing some unconfirmed report almost every 15 minutes. What all of this leads to: the impression that you could be next. But experts say that makes it appear a little more widespread than it is.

Danielle Wallace: &#8220;The probability [of getting shot] is amazingly small.&#8221;

Reporter: Danielle Wallace, of AZU School of Criminology, has crunched the numbers. Numbers of cars vs numbers of attacks.

Danielle Wallace: &#8220;You have the same likelihood of getting hit by a meteor as you do of being a victim of a shooting on I-10&#8230; . I think people are worried, perhaps needlessly, given the statistics, but it&#8217;s also understandable because many of us have to travel the I-10.&#8221;

The rest of the piece focused on how terrificly terribly terrifying the reporter thinks these kinds of attacks are. The story does supply one item of information in support of this conclusion: A guy said he had texted his girl friend yesterday to tell her he got home safely.

So far, I haven't seen any indications of terror in Phoenix or NOCO - just reporters, 'experts' and PIO's assumptions that people are scared. Are you guys in Colorado seeing any terror there?

What would you consider an indication that you'd be willing to accept as a sign of terror? There seem lots of anecdotal interviews with commuters in the various reports. There was one MSM report during the morning rush hour that mentions, IIRC, a percentage of decrease among the 200,000 plus commuters per day on I 10.