Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #27

[FlossyMay]

that might be alluded to when he says he went down stairs..you know how he sprinkles tidbits into his spiels

He went downstairs to get the trash bags, too.

 

[Kensie]

Gotta love posters that give recaps, I know I do!! Thanks to the re-cappers!!!

 

[PrimeSuspect]

ok you'd think he might have worked up a sweat murdering his family, or got some bodily fluids on himself, so he probably showered. At that time he could have stepped on one of the garbage bags containing a family member. Dont you guys think, that IF he murdered them upstairs he probably also bagged them up there to avoid dragging or carrying them over the rugs, while dead?

After showering, if he uses body oil/tanning oil it could have left a print that can't be seen with the naked eye.

 

[rainynights]

After flying, I always feel filthy. I could never go to bed after a flight no matter what time I would get home. I would have to take a shower. The airport waitimg areas and the bathrooms. And the planes themselves. Ugh .

Perhaps others are not that way. She was so fastidious in other ways. So if she did take a shower, I imagine her watch would be taken off.

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Additionally, the Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS + Cellular) has an 18 hour battery life on a full charge. After a long day of travel and delays, I could definitely see the possibility of the watch battery being completely drained.

It's also important to note that the Apple Watch requires a separate magnetic charging cable; it cannot be charged with the same charger that one would use for an iPhone. IMO, when traveling, it's hard enough hunting down an open outlet in the terminal to charge your single phone, let alone also breaking out a 2nd cable to also charge an electronic watch. If my Apple Watch died while I was traveling, I wouldn't be reliant on it, and would have no problem taking the watch off and throw it in my bag so that I could charge it at home.

In the event that SW was wearing the watch, there could indeed be revealing information captured on it, such as the steps, stairs, and heart rate, down to the minute/second.

Although SW not having the watch on wouldn't necessarily be a dealbreaker in capturing some of that information. As I've mentioned in an earlier post, similar information regarding steps taken and "flights climbed" can similarly be captured instantly by having an iPhone on you (hand, back pocket, purse) -- no Apple Watch required. While we likely wouldn't see heart rate info with just the iPhone, the other details such as steps and flights climbed could be telling, considering we have CW's confession in the affidavit that indicates SW made it past the front door, and up the stairs. So there is also hope for that as well.

Fortunately, SW did seem to be very connected to technology, so I'd imagine that she'd have at least one of the two on her at any given point in time.

JMO.

 

[esayer]

I think CW did not take the time to shower at the home before going to the oil field. I am thinking he may have showered at work after dumping the bodies?
Do we know if there are shower facilities for employees at his work?
I think there may be because of the nature of the job and staff showering at work before leaving for home at the end of their shift. Just wondering.

Yep I have wondered this from the start! How clean/dirty was he when NA saw him?

 

[Kensie]

Did he have the beautiful complexion when the Friend saw him???

In his interview, he looked like he had make-up on.

 

[borndem]

Suicide watch usually is padded wall to wall and they go without clothes so they can’t harm themselves. I have a feeling he’s just in solitary and not on suicide watch. I know people in jail and they always refrain from using the “suicide” word or something that might lead officers to think they want to die because according to inmates suicide watch is absolutely the worst.

I’m sure once CW get a regular cell alone or with a cellmate and starts receiving his commissary, inmate fan mail, magazines, books, quarterly packages, getting some yard and workout time, TV his demeanor will be much more Cheerful.

Some jails/prisons have the inmate wear a suicide smock -- they have no cords, they cannot be torn, and they are worn 24/day.
I would love to see CW in this get-up:

Ferguson Safety Products, Santa Cruz, Safety Smock, Safety Blanket
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[NuttMegg]

I just listened to it several times and am not sure he said "so, like, she barely let ME..." but maybe more of a slur along the lines of "so, like, she barely let mean" as if he intended to say "so, like, she barely let, I mean..." The "me" part is a bit tricky.



But still, what was he stumbling over, indeed? She barely let me sleep? She barely let me get a word in edgewise? She barely let me explain?

Here is part of the discussion from earlier on the thread.

 

[BeanieBod]

What clothing Shanann had on when her body was found will determine if she was killed right away (still in her flight clothes) or killed later (possibly in her nightgown/pjs).

I would think that NUA would be testifying about the time that SW got home but now I realize that she might also have to testify about SW's clothes if she was still dressed. That poor woman! JMO

 

[Whiteorchids]

I too think that she was killed on the first floor, those dogs barking seemed really close to where he was on the porch. Really close.

I do too because her suitcase and shoes were at the bottom of the stairs.

 

[sun16]

Some jails/prisons have the inmate wear a suicide smock -- they have no cords, they cannot be torn, and they are worn 24/day.
I would love to see CW in this get-up:

Ferguson Safety Products, Santa Cruz, Safety Smock, Safety Blanket
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That is ridiculous. lol

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Some jails/prisons have the inmate wear a suicide smock -- they have no cords, they cannot be torn, and they are worn 24/day.
I would love to see CW in this get-up:

Ferguson Safety Products, Santa Cruz, Safety Smock, Safety Blanket
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[MJPeony]

After flying, I always feel filthy. I could never go to bed after a flight no matter what time I would get home. I would have to take a shower. The airport waitimg areas and the bathrooms. And the planes themselves. Ugh .

Perhaps others are not that way. She was so fastidious in other ways. So if she did take a shower, I imagine her watch would be taken off.

Agree- flying is gross. However, I personally don't think she showered. I've always been perplexed about the suitcase being found at the bottom of the steps. It seems like it must be important to the pieces of this puzzle but I'm not sure how exactly.

To me it signals something happened rather quickly after she got home. (The only reason I can think the suitcase would still be at the bottom of the stairs is if she, or CW, just hadn't had a chance to bring it up yet. Hence something shortly after she got home).

 

[Gardener1850]

The biggest news today:
Christopher Watts case: Weld DA requests footprints to compare to evidence found near bodies

In a court order responding to this motion, 19th Judicial District Judge Marcelo Kopcow wrote that this motion is similar to a motion filed by the district attorney's office on Sept. 12 requesting cheek swabs, finger and palm prints, and photos of both of Watts' hands.

The defense objected to the Sept. 12 motion, saying that forcing Watts to provide what the court described as "non-testimonial evidence" violates his constitutional rights against unreasonable search and seizure and self-incrimination.

Because of the similar nature of the two motions, Kopcow ordered the defense to have a response to the new motion filed earlier than usual, by Sept. 20. The district attorney's office will then have until Sept. 24 to file a reply.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/19th_Judicial_District/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/People's O.PDF
During the course of this investigation, items of evidence have been collected and have been sent to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation for testing. Upon receiving these items an Agent with the Colorado Bureau of Investigation developed possible bare foot impressions, using their normal latent print process for non-porous items. These impressions were developed from a bag (Frederick Police Department Item #26) which was collected at the scene where the victim’s bodies were located.

Thank you so much PommyMommy! I kept up with your media updates today in the media thread. The footprints request is a huge new revelation, IMO.
What could this mean? Did he step on the bodies with his bare feet while they were inside a bag?

I'm picturing him taking off his shoes and climbing down the ladder inside the oil tank, then using his feet to push the girls under the oil.
But would a footprint still be retrievable if the bag was submerged in oil?
Other ideas?

 

[Deleted member 230544]

I don't believe we had any VI's of SW and CW on this thread today. Hoping they are well.

 

[Mosaic]

Warning: graphic post about lividity

I keep thinking about him throwing his children's bodies in the oil tanks. ANY disposal other than a proper burial would disgust me, but to throw them into something that has literally caused environmental catastrophes (BP oil spill, Alaska oil spill, etc.) just seems a little extra. I've seen people post that perhaps CW wasn't thinking clearly or, worse, didn't think it was so bad in those oil tanks. And then I've seen people post that we shouldn't judge because we weren't in his shoes.

It IS true that your mind kind of goes a little crazy when your child dies. Your body can fill with adrenaline. Biology starts taking over and you're not always aware of why you're reacting in the way that you are. With that being said, though...

I live in the mountains in a very rural community. When I found my son, he was dead and it was clear that he'd been gone for quite some time. The ONLY reason that the paramedics took him to the hospital instead of just calling the coroner out to the house is because this is a small town, everyone knows everyone, and they wanted to treat me with respect. Though it was obvious that he was gone, they even went through the motions of revival when they certainly didn't have to.

There were only 2 paramedics on duty-the driver and the one in the back. As they got ready to take off, one grabbed my arm and threw me into the back of the ambulance with the stretcher. He wanted to intubate my son but he needed help. He engaged the tube and then told me to hold onto it. I tried, I really did, but my hand was shaking so hard that I lost my grip and it fell out. As I sat there crying and apologizing, ALL I could think was, "We can't put that back into his mouth. It's dirty! I can't put something that's been on the floor in my child's mouth."

The coroner was hunting on one of our mountains and it took 4 hours for him to be contacted and to get to the hospital. The staff allowed me to stay in the examination room with my son during that time. The police came in, asked their questions, I spoke to the organ donation people, etc but mostly I sat right there in a chair pulled up to his bed. At some point, lividity began to set in. His sweet little rosy skin turned blue and purple and splotchy. The worst part, however, was that fluids began to leak. A thin trail of blood and fluid began trickling out his nose. It didn't make me sad, it made me ANGRY. That something was defiling his perfect little face filled me with rage. For more than a hour, I sat there with a wet paper towel in my hand, wiping away the fluid. Even though he was dead, I couldn't stand to see something like that marring his skin.

I've been a member of many child loss support groups over the past 10 years. My experience was not unique. While the causes of death and our ongoing reaction to grief might have differed, however, one of the main things we have had in common is that we were ALL fastidious in making sure that care was taken with our children's bodies after they were gone.

Care was not taken with Bella and Cece. Whether they were thrown into an oil tank or taken to the woods and covered with debris, they were discarded.

CW seems to be a man who cares about his appearance: he has lost weight and toned up and has a manicured beard. He wears nice clothes. Yet he apparently thought nothing of crude oil marring his daughters' skin, matting their hair. And I was worried about a one-inch stream of blood.

So sorry for your loss... A loving parent care for their child's well-being and safety 'till their last breath...

 

[Whiteorchids]

Hi sleuthers just catching up. What do the footprints mean he stomped on the bags? He already admitted to disposing of them, is this just to backup his story?

 

[sun16]

I do too because her suitcase and shoes were at the bottom of the stairs.

Her purse too, right? I’m wondering if her phone was upstairs only because he took it up there and put it between the cushions. Wonder if he used/did anything to her phone. We’d need to know more info, but yeah, maybe she never made it upstairs.

 

[MassGuy]

Agree- flying is gross. However, I personally don't think she showered. I've always been perplexed about the suitcase being found at the bottom of the steps. It seems like it must be important to the pieces of this puzzle but I'm not sure how exactly.

To me it signals something happened rather quickly after she got home. The only reason I can think the suitcase would still be at the bottom of the stairs is if she, or CW, just hadn't had a chance to bring it up yet.

I think either it was heavy, and CW would have been asked to bring it up, or he killed her before she had the chance.

 

[Deleted member 230544]

Thank you so much PommyMommy! I kept up with your media updates today in the media thread. The footprints request is a huge new revelation, IMO.
What could this mean? Did he step on the bodies with his bare feet while they were inside a bag?

I'm picturing him taking off his shoes and climbing down the ladder inside the oil tank, then using his feet to push the girls under the oil.
But would a footprint still be retrievable if the bag was submerged in oil?
Other ideas?

I did not realize that CW went inside the tanks himself. I thought it was stated that the tanks were quite full of oil at the time of discovery of bodies. Would CW not have opened the latch and drop them inside? Was there a requirement for CW to enter the tank to drop the bodies?