Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #27

[mtnlites]

I feel bad now. No one could ever use a luggage bag at the bottom of the stairs as a good gauge of when I was murdered. That bag could be there for a week or two. Sometimes I just unpack it where it is.
But as compulsively clean as she was...I do agree I would have guessed she took it upstairs. And since such a short trip, I would not have thought it too heavy.

Ha ha. I took my kids to an out of state amusement park back in July and, no kidding, I JUST unpacked the suitcase last night. I'd taken out the wet swimwear and the bag of dirty clothes but the extra stuff that we didn't end up using? Still in there all this time. When I was a travel writer I would be gone for months at a time. I traveled with nothing but a backpack. After 2 or 3 months of looking at the same 4 outfits, I would sometimes come home and not open my bag for weeks and weeks. Just leave it right there on my living room floor. I couldn't stand looking at the stuff anymore.

 

[PommyMommy]

It was found at the scene where the body's were located, those tanks were definitely part of the scene.

During the course of this investigation, items of evidence
have been collected and
have
been sent
to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation for testing.
Upon receiving these
items an Agent with the Colorado Bureau of
Investigation
developed possible bare foot
impressions, using their normal latent print process for non
-
porous items. These
impressions were developed from a bag (Frederick Police Department Item #26) which
was collected at
the scene where the victim’s bod
ies were located.

Yes, it was found at the scene, but it has not yet been proven whether or not it is related to the case. (Although I tend to believe it is.) So far, we just know about the sheet and now this bag, but they could have collected other items from the scene as well. They will all have to be examined and/or tested to determine whether or not they are related to the case. SOP

 

[MassGuy]

Man I try and take a break and there's finally new stuff to discuss! I thought they also took full finger and palm prints. Odd.

Since you're also a verified attorney can you clarify when they talk about the bare footprint impression. Is that a print or an impression (like an actual impression they would have casted)?

It says in the court document that it was a latent print and not an impression. So we’re talking about something like a fingerprint made with the foot, and not a mould made from dirt or something.

Edit* From a bag

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...rict/caseofinterest/2018CR2003/People's O.PDF

 

[cailleach]

Laundry room is on the second floor it has been reported.
Even if she didn't take her shoes off when she entered the house each time, she probably would at that time so as not to make too much noise.

I agree she wouldn't want to make noise and wake the girls up. By the second trimester many women's feet have started to swell a bit too so she may have been anxious to get the shoes off.

 

[pocketaccent]

It would be a good explanation for that. My sticking point with this theory though is the idea that he would have had to leave decomposing bodies in his car in the summer heat at work all morning. I don't think it is a good idea to bring dead bodies to work...more driving time to get caught, caught at work, etc. But who knows?

Or he left the bags by the shallow grave.
It was a remote area. If anyone discovers them, he can just deny it was him.

 

[rainynights]

"This has to stop". That little nugget really stood out to me, still does. He said some other things that also seemed disjointed (for lack of a better word), but those 4 words may have been what was going on in his head between 2 & 5am that early Monday morning. moo

In re-watching the porch videos, it’s interesting how we seem to catch something new each time.

For instance, after the reporter asks CW if he has any idea where SW is, (at 1:40): "she said she was going to a friend's house with the kids and that's the last thing I heard and that was it."

Taking the kids with her to a friend's house? And that's the last thing he heard. Is he in a way telling us the last thing SW told him before he killed her? As if SW made him aware that she was going to take the kids the next day, or perhaps even that very moment? And for some reason it’s the “ . . . and that was it" part that sounds so final; so permanent, IMO.

"This has to stop" . . . IMO, means "this [media frenzy, LE attention, search effort] has to stop."

JMO.

Edited to correct quote.

 

[Jennifer17]

I agree she wouldn't want to make noise and wake the girls up. By the second trimester many women's feet have started to swell a bit too so she may have been anxious to get the shoes off.

BBM. Good point. Especially after flying.

 

[borndem]

He won't be a mechanic if he ends up on death row, though.
Facts about Colorado's 'Death Row'

Death row inmates in Colorado spend 23 hours per day in their own cell. The one hour outside their cell each day is for exercise and showering.

Death row inmates are permitted a television, two books, newspapers, and magazines in their cell. If the inmates comply with their educational and program requirements, they are permitted to view movies shown by the facility.

Death row inmates are permitted visitors a couple of hours per week. During the inmate's last week, or "warrant week," they may have increased visiting hours. Each time the inmate is moved, it is done with full restraints and a minimum of two correctional officers.

bbm
Agreed about the no mechanics on DRow. No way. What a cryin' shame.

I would also think that it would be a while before they let him hold a wrench, jumper cables, a tire iron, etc., as well, if he gets LWOP. He'll be busy scrubbing floors and cleaning bathrooms for a while, I would imagine. Further, IMO, he would probably have to earn a place in a fully-stocked DOC garage, if it would even be possible. The people of the State of Co., owe him nothing but "3 hots and a cot." It might take a while -- such a pity.

 

[Deleted member 230544]

In re-watching the porch videos, it’s interesting how we seem to catch something new each time.

For instance, after the reporter asks CW if he has any idea where SW is, (at 1:40): "she said was going to a friend's house with the kids and that's the last thing I heard and that was it."

Taking the kids with her to a friend's house? And that's the last thing he heard. Is he in a way telling us the last thing SW told him before he killed her? As if SW made him aware that she was going to take the kids the next day, or perhaps even that very moment? And for some reason it’s the “ . . . and that was it" part that sounds so final; so permanent, IMO.

"This has to stop" . . . IMO, means "this [media frenzy, LE attention, search effort] has to stop."

JMO.

Perhaps that is what he said to SW that morning "This has to stop" meaning their marriage and the falsehoods have to stop??

 

[MyBelle]

That's weird to me and it's what made me check on the thread. Colorado collects arrestee DNA samples for their state version of CODIS so his sample should have been taken when he was arrested and finger printed. It is required by law in the state for any adult arrested for a felony.

I wondered that as well. Perhaps somebody screwed up and failed to do their job. The defense filed a motion early on asking that DNA be collected from the girls necks and under CE's nails by their expert or could the expert at least observe the collection. The reason given was that they believed the ME wasn't going to collect it at all.

 

[kkdj]

I see nothing significant about the bag. It was incredibly late, the bag weighed enough that she didn't want to lug it up steps. No big deal, imo.

I would leave my bag downstairs because that's where the laundry room is. Then my toiletries I would carry up separately and put my bag in the garage.

 

[human]

1.One of the things that icks me out in a hotel is the pillow. People drooling and snarfing so when I can, I bring my own. Not that it would mean much, but I wonder if she brought her pillow with.

2. If it was premeditated, wouldn’t it be easier to do it downstairs than think about having to lug her down the stairs?


3. I wonder if the footprint is because he stood on the bag to put a child into it. Normally to fill a bag with a large object, how would it be done?

 

[Deleted member 230544]

I would leave my bag downstairs because that's where the laundry room is. Then my toiletries I would carry up separately and put my bag in the garage.

Laundry room is located upstairs in their home.

 

[Jennifer17]

If you watch any of his interview without the sound, they could be interviewing him on a happy event in his life.

 

[Jo in Calif]

If they are asking for his footprint they likely have prints (like finger prints) from someone's feet or toes. "Prints" means the personally identifiable skin ridges on your hands and feet. They can pick up latent prints by spraying an object with a kind of super glue spray and setting it so you have something like a finger print cast you can then compare to a sample from a person.

ETA: If they were boot prints or shoe prints they would specify that and just execute a search warrant against the house and take all his shoes.

Yes, they want inked prints of both his feet.

WHEREFORE, the People ask that this Honor
able Court allow the collection of
inked foot
prints of both the right and left feet of the defendant
,
pursuant to
Rule 16 II (a)(1)
.

 

[Seattle1]

I agree they are following the evidence. They likely have a good idea now of when the girls died.

But I don't think they did when the affidavit and dates were written.

 

[kkdj]

Laundry room is located upstairs in their home.

oh. Well then I would just say it was late and she didn't want to carry it upstairs.

 

[Alethea]

Wow, I didn't know that. I know that some states have laws that allow them to do that, but I just assumed that Colorado was one of the (most) states that don't.

That makes the prosecution motion for DNA collection very odd, as it should have been done.
Edit* It's called Katie's law.

They even have a page online about how to collect the DNA and what to do if an arrestee's mouth is dry. Seems like a big error to not collect it? Maybe the sample was degraded or they need more for more tests. On the flip side, I don't know how the defense is going to oppose collecting it since it's required by law.

"Sometimes only a slight color change will occur if the arrestee has a dry mouth but the DNA is still present. If possible, the arrestee can rinse their mouth out with water prior to collection."

DNA Database FAQs | Colorado Bureau of Investigation

 

[Deleted member 230544]

But I don't think they did when the affidavit and dates were written.

Perhaps they were covering their butts so to speak to include both days on the affidavit since they could confirm the girls were at the birthday party (Sunday according to what I read on WS) thereby allowing the Prosecution time to ascertain exactly when the deaths occurred and not risking the chance of excluding a day in the event the evidence shows which day they actually died.

 

[MyBelle]

I would leave my bag downstairs because that's where the laundry room is. Then my toiletries I would carry up separately and put my bag in the garage.

Their laundry room was upstairs but because of the late hour and her pregnancy, I can understand her decision. I would have made the same decision. JMO

 

[Seattle1]

Or he left the bags by the shallow grave.
It was a remote area. If anyone discovers them, he can just deny it was him.

Actually, one thing you can depend on in Northern Colorado is the wind. This very well may be a random bag blown on to the scene, and nothing to do with any of the Watts! (Did anybody see video with the rubbish cans blown about their residential street).