Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #27

[tmar]

Don't worry too much about getting a post or two deleted by the mods. When they need to go in and 'clean up on aisle #3' ---the only way to manage it is to delete a whole string of posts. It is too time consuming to try and edit each one, one at a time. they have bare bones minimum mod staff right now.

I had a post deleted, stating 'off topic'.
It certainly was not: the matter had been constantly discussed.
In the Post, I was unhappy with criticism about SW, and was supportive of her, yet Posters who were negative, were not deleted.
Perhaps our Posts should be read, not deleted as a block, if that is the case.
I can understand, if one is being difficult, and the Post is deleted, but why are relevant posts deleted, for calling them 'off topic'.

 

[Jennifer17]

I didn’t really suspect him until I saw a longer portion of the interview.

Yeah, the way he disposed of them was quite a shock.

I don't think that I will ever get over that. He had two clean, bright little girls and he dumped their bodies in filthy black oil.

 

[MassGuy]

I don't think that I will ever get over that. He had two clean, bright little girls and he dumped their bodies in filthy black oil.

If he could do what he did to his family in the first place, he probably could have put their bodies through a wood chipper and not been fazed.

 

[Mosaic]

So you’re saying he’d have to physically climb down the ladder with the bodies in hand, in order to dump them in there?

I think so, based on what my bestie explained to me about solvents/chemicals/crude oil tanks. I don't know how tall are the tanks in this case, but that's the mechanical aspect; latched or screwed manhole lid to prevent/avoid contamination. Many moons ago I worked for a pharmaceutical company and visited the tank farm for Inventory and Auditing purposes. Not a pleasant experience. I doubled check with my bestie, because her fieldwork is Safety/Environmental at a distillery. JMO

 

[Tigerlily75]

@PrimeSuspect

“There's just been pages and pages of character assassination against SW and the 'ol' CW says she did it', so she must have!

I find it difficult to relate when some choose SW's fb as evidence of something sinister while CW gets a free ride because he was thought of as a nice guy.

It's like what CW did somehow makes sense or was understandable, in what universe is this possible?"


His parallel universe.

It does feel like a topsy turvy world when giving your child a coconut bar that SW already checked contains NO relevant allergens is described as “unacceptable” and “inexcusable”, but getting no help at all for your actively dying children is reasonable and understandable.

I understand being open to all theories, I’m open to anything if/when evidence presents itself, but I struggle to understand the crucifying of SW based on no evidence, while actual evidence of CW’s actions is completely ignored.

We can (and some do this very well) remain open to ideas without tearing her apart. It’s very possible SW will turn out to be a completely innocent victim of a triple (quadruple) homicide, and so the desecration of her life makes me very sad. The two don’t have to go hand in hand.

JMO

 

[MJPeony]

It’s just to verify the process I believe. To demonstrate that the prints are his. Not to photograph his hands in detail or anything.

Edit* Third person to answer the same question.

Yes, but for whatever reason I didn't understand it until you said it, so thanks

 

[Jennifer17]

If he could do what he did to his family in the first place, he probably could have put their bodies through a wood chipper and not been phased.

And I am sure he would have, but the postage stamp back yard which he was so heroically mowing did not require a wood chipper.

 

[MassGuy]

It does feel like a topsy turvy world when giving your child a coconut bar that SW already checked contains NO relevant allergens is described as “unacceptable” and “inexcusable”, but getting no help at all for your actively dying children is reasonable and understandable.

I understand being open to all theories, I’m open to anything if/when evidence presents itself, but I struggle to understand the crucifying of SW based on no evidence, while actual evidence of CW’s actions is completely ignored.

We can (and some do this very well) remain open to ideas without tearing her apart. It’s very possible SW will turn out to be a completely innocent victim of a triple (quadruple) homicide, and so the desecration of her life makes me very sad. The two don’t have to go hand in hand.

JMO

I couldn’t possibly agree more.

 

[human]

I don’t think there is an accomplice, but here is an example of a gruesome twosome

California doctor and his girlfriend are accused of rape -- and the DA fears there may be hundreds of victims - CNN

 

[tmar]

And I am sure he would have, but the postage stamp back yard which he was so heroically mowing did not require a wood chipper.

He was 'heroically mowing' the tiny strip of lawn, to show off his muscles: posing because he is so great.

 

[JudgeJudi]

I think so, based on what my bestie explained to me about solvents/chemicals/crude oil tanks. I don't know how tall are the tanks in this case, but that's the mechanical aspect; latched or screwed manhole lid to prevent/avoid contamination. JMO

I read somewhere that they were 20' high, but unfortunately I don't have a link to corroborate that.

 

[gitana1]

I was saying that from the defense team's point of view and how they will present the way CW dispose of the bodies. That CW wasn't manipulating, but he panicked and got rid of the bodies as quickly as he can, perhaps to protect the wife's image.

It is important to note that the way he disposed of the bodies does not equal premeditation. Somebody can kill someone accidentally and still dispose the same way.

Well, yes and no. Disposal of a body -concealment- is evidence of consciousness of guilt.

Yes, people may try to argue he wanted to "spare" her.

It's going to be interesting to see that try to be pulled off.

So not only was he a terrible victim of abuse, was having an affair because he wanted out, told his wife he wanted out and actually became insane with rage and KILLED his wife for strangling their daughters, but within minutes to only an hour or so of her murderous act and his passionate response, he wants us to believe he suddenly felt protective of his murderer wife's reputation? And wanted to "lovingly" hide evidence of what she had done?

Nice try defense. Try again.

 

[gitana1]

BBM:
I don't think SW has been "continually" criticized here. I think the majority of WS has been very supportive of SW and her health issues/the girls' health issues.

Oh she has been. Every single thread.

 

[katydid23]

I think the texts and messages between SW and CW will tell the story. Was she begging him not to leave her, and threatening to get revenge on him if he tried? If so, the jury may end up believing his version of events.

But if she was acting rational and level headed, and telling family that she might be moving back to NC with the girls, while she figured things out, then he will have a much harder time convincing people she snapped and killed her babies.

 

[MassGuy]

I think the texts and messages between SW and CW will tell the story. Was she begging him not to leave her, and threatening to get revenge on him if he tried? If so, the jury may end up believing his version of events.

But if she was acting rational and level headed, and telling family that she might be moving back to NC with the girls, while she figured things out, then he will have a much harder time convincing people she snapped and killed her babies.

CW may not be talking, but those devices surely will.

 

[Jennifer17]

It does feel like a topsy turvy world when giving your child a coconut bar that SW already checked contains NO relevant allergens is described as “unacceptable” and “inexcusable”, but getting no help at all for your actively dying children is reasonable and understandable.

I understand being open to all theories, I’m open to anything if/when evidence presents itself, but I struggle to understand the crucifying of SW based on no evidence, while actual evidence of CW’s actions is completely ignored.

We can (and some do this very well) remain open to ideas without tearing her apart. It’s very possible SW will turn out to be a completely innocent victim of a triple (quadruple) homicide, and so the desecration of her life

JMO

It is the double standard that has always existed since the talking snake convinced the weak woman Eve to eat the apple which is a euphemism for sex.
We all know that women are out there getting it from reluctant men, don't we?
Forcing them, abducting little boys to keep as sex slaves?
But a woman who gives a coconut bar to her child is a bad person. Now wonder he killed her.

 

[gitana1]

I keep thinking about this as well. Why would the prosecution want to keep the autopsy results secret? I know the motion states that the “results could tarnish witness testimony or taint future jurors.” But it seems like something the defense would file, does it not?

I think we can all agree this case looked black and white at first. Many of us here on WS still feel that way. Did it look so cut and dry they failed to do a proper investigation? Did they rush to judgement and arrest him before they had adequate evidence? Why did they have to come back later and request fingerprints, a DNA swab, etc.?

I am led to wonder if there is something in the autopsy results that the prosecution does not want to public to be aware of. Is this because it hurts their case? It certainly wouldn’t hurt for potential jurors to hear that COD was strangulation IMO.

Could it have anything to do with giving him a fair trial at all? To avoid a mistrial perhaps? I mean I don't know the legal system or anything that's why I am asking.

Scott Peterson case= prosecution sought to seal autopsy results:

"What we're trying to do is protect the defendant's right to a fair trial," Chief Deputy District Attorney John Goold said. "That's our major concern, the case itself. Nobody wants to see this stuff splashed across the Internet."

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.modb...eterson-preliminary-trial/article3096822.html

State and LE sought to seal autopsy results on Jon Benet Ramsey case.
Article from BoulderNews Ramsey Archive

It's not uncommon:

The public doesn't know how a woman and her unborn child were killed last year in her apartment, and that's how authorities want to keep it.
Judge seals autopsy report in year-old slaying of pregnant Knoxville woman

The judge in the Sandra Cantu murder case agreed to seal her autopsy report Friday, saying if the results were released, there would be “public outrage.”
Both prosecution and defense attorneys were in favor of sealing the report.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.me...t-will-be-sealed-to-avoid-public-outrage/amp/

Court Shields Autopsy Reports of Slain Ohio Family Members

I remember the media's frantic efforts to get the flint-eyed and steady DA to betray emotion about this case. They asked repeatedly if this affected the pros involved because of the kids.

He refused to take the bait. And he didn't react in any way to the sobbing of Shanann's father sitting almost directly behind him at court. Did not flinch.

Instead, he responded and acted with steely resolve.

This ain't no DA who "rushes to judgment."

CW should be terrified of this man.

 

[JudgeJudi]

But he really is baaaaadddd. What he says hardly even makes sense. Gosh... those interviews were a dumb thing to do. He should have stuck with the 'I am too worried and sad to give interviews' story.

"I just want them back", and he laughs. Why? Because he sooooo happy that they're never coming back. What a moment to throw in a laugh.

The part that really amazed me was his preening in his T-shirt.

Q. Where'd you get that shirt?
A. Oh, this is a - I think she got it off Amazon but this is my favourite college sports team.

She, not Shanann, she.

It was all "Look at me". His entire family is "missing" and he's talking about his shirt. No words.

 

[rainynights]

A friend of mine got a Ring doorbell camera, and she said that as part of the subscription she can see video from her neighbor's Ring cameras, too. I wonder if CW could view the camera angle from his neighbor's house and he knew how to position his truck so he could load it without being recorded?

I don't have experience with the Ring app, but I was curious about this feature, as I wasn’t aware of it. Per the website there is a Shared User feature. This allows the Ring Owner to add anyone they'd like to have access to the camera (such as neighbors, family, etc), without giving them the ability to modify or view account settings. All the owner needs to do is enter an email address of the person they want to add as a Shared User, and once added, that person would be given access to include receiving and answering alerts, and even viewing stored video history. Controlling Ring Devices through Multiple Devices or Sharing Control with Other Users

So if a neighbor across the street had the Ring app, it seems to me that the functionality would be there to give another user shared access. If CW/SW knew the other neighbors well enough, I could see this being a possibility, to help keep the neighborhood secure. And I could also see how given the events that occurred, how CW would certainly want to capitalize on that type of intel should he have had access to camera angles.

IMO, I believe backing into the garage would have fulfilled CW's need to load discreetly, due to the natural coverage of the garage surrounding the truck.

JMO.

 

[katydid23]

Scott Peterson case= prosecution sought to seal autopsy results:

"What we're trying to do is protect the defendant's right to a fair trial," Chief Deputy District Attorney John Goold said. "That's our major concern, the case itself. Nobody wants to see this stuff splashed across the Internet."

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.modb...eterson-preliminary-trial/article3096822.html

State and LE sought to seal autopsy results on Jon Benet Ramsey case.
Article from BoulderNews Ramsey Archive

It's not uncommon:

The public doesn't know how a woman and her unborn child were killed last year in her apartment, and that's how authorities want to keep it.
Judge seals autopsy report in year-old slaying of pregnant Knoxville woman

The judge in the Sandra Cantu murder case agreed to seal her autopsy report Friday, saying if the results were released, there would be “public outrage.”
Both prosecution and defense attorneys were in favor of sealing the report.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.me...t-will-be-sealed-to-avoid-public-outrage/amp/

Court Shields Autopsy Reports of Slain Ohio Family Members

I remember the media's frantic efforts to get the flint-eyed and steady DA to betray emotion about this case. They asked repeatedly if this affected the pros involved because of the kids.

He refused to take the bait. And he didn't react in any way to the sobbing of Shanann's father sitting almost directly behind him at court. Did not flinch.

Instead, he responded and acted with steely resolve.

This ain't no DA who "rushes to judgment."

CW should be terrified of this man.

Wow, great post. Thank You.

I really believe that the DA has a lot of strong evidence already. And it feels to me that they are now trying to manage the upcoming trial issues and landmines.

When they start interviewing the jurors, there are going to be a lot of potential jurors that already feel he is guilty as can be. And that will work against the State if there are too many people like that in the jury pool.