Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #37

[Amandaaa]

I think due to the fact that there is SO much information on SM about their personal lives, that it may be very difficult to find open minded jurors. The autopsy results must be so bad that they don’t want to inflame the public and have an even harder time seating a jury, let alone, give CW an opportunity for an appeal due to a tainted jury. IMO

There have been so many high profile cases in Colorado, though... and I haven’t seen an example of this argument being used before. It’s entirely possible I’ve missed something - but I just find it an unusual argument to make, based on my experience.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Right! Was that necessary?

I also wonder if he was really speeding through red lights when he knew his entire family was dead.

Well if the intersections had cameras it would have recorded his license plate info and a fine would be sent to the home.

 

[Amandaaa]

So you never felt it was due to being worried about the reports somehow exonerating the defendant? Because many posts were inferring as much.

Do you feel it was a viable suspicion that the request to seal the reports was so that they could hide exonerating evidence from the public or so they would have time to gently let SW's family know they're reducing charges?

I just want to make sure I know where we are.

MY posts? I don’t believe I’ve ever said any of those things.

 

[Mrspratcher]

I believe he would have been speeding just to get inside his house before anyone else, especially the police, did. He obviously was concerned about them finding any evidence. Jmo

That sounds more like it!

 

[Shekkiec]

They wouldn't and they won't. It wasn't those who feel he is guilty who have been suggesting the charges would be altered based on the autopsy results.

Was it those who believed he was guilty found it not suspicious that prosecution wanted them sealed however implied their opinion would be it seems suspicious if defense wanted them sealed? Also do you, as an attorney , feel media such as AB should request them to be released ?

 

[Deleted member 229974]

There have been so many high profile cases in Colorado, though... and I haven’t seen an example of this argument being used before. It’s entirely possible I’ve missed something - but I just find it an unusual argument to make, based on my experience.

You’ve probably followed many more criminal cases then I have. Have there been similar cases where SM has played such a large part in a victim’s life, allowing all the world to see and hear?

 

[PommyMommy]

Right! Was that necessary?

I also wonder if he was really speeding through red lights when he knew his entire family was dead.

I think he might be telling the truth about that one. Hopefully, the truck's onboard technology or traffic cameras will tell us for sure, but it's certainly telling that he only high-tails it home when he's told the police have been called. That had to be an "oh, shirt" moment.
MOO

 

[Amandaaa]

You’ve probably followed many more criminal cases then I have. Have there been similar cases where SM has played such a large part in a victim’s life, allowing all the world to see and hear?

I may be in the minority here, but I just don’t see social media playing that big of a role in this case.

 

[riolove77]

Right! Was that necessary?

I also wonder if he was really speeding through red lights when he knew his entire family was dead.

Yes, but only cause he was about to be found out.

 

[MsBetsy]

In regard to autopsies I find it

Perhaps it was shock? panic? Perhaps he felt no one would believe him bc he had killed his wife. Perhaps he thought people will think I annihilated my whole family. I can not fathom how this unfolded between this beautiful couple. I do not see any preplan by either of them for this to happen. I feel imo moo moo she had a lot to lose as well by him leaving and Imo I would think defense would present that. The prosecution imo may say she threatened him bc of separation I don’t know. But imo the bedding could have been used/stripped to carry them in. Carrying them downstairs perhaps the separste sheet was thrown away as a reaction because it was laying on the floor and dropped or slipped away . I am not sure but he made no attempt to conceal or hide any evidence . Ex. Had the sheet been in the back of a basement closet in a tub with her purse , phone etc it would imo further show planning an alibi. Imo SW was well loved and extremely active on social media as well as with friends. Had the visit from NUA not happened he knew others were trying to contact her imo and would find it suspicious moo. He wasn’t rehearsed nor did he make it look as if she may have left him imo I believe he in panic mentioned her going to a friend’s bc there was no other reason they would not be there and it popped into his head. He imo knew it was suspicious. He knew he had killed his wife. He may have felt he had to engage in interviews and what would seem normal bc he didn’t feel normal after killing his wife, nor should he. He was immediately swept up in a whirlwind and now knew imo maybe he should have called 911 what should he do? He may have wanted to talk to his dad simply to make sure his dad heard it from him first imo we don’t know. Do we know how many interviews he had with police or the length of last interview?do we know if he went willingly?

His actions did not in any way resemble someone who is in shock or in a panic. He was able to think of a very good way to ensure the bodies were not easy to find. He didn't just toss them somewhere without any planning. He had the door locked in such a way that even someone with a key could not enter. He backed the truck up in the garage. He didn't rush out in a hurry. He may have hidden the cell phone. He must have been careful to not let anyone see him at the dump site, as no-one did. And last, as pointed out many times, strangulation takes time, and is not indicative of someone in a rage, or panic. Everything about his actions show that he was in control at all times, from the time of the murder through the time of the cover up. Imo

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I may be in the minority here, but I just don’t see social media playing that big of a role in this case.

To each, his (or her) own.

 

[PommyMommy]

In regard to autopsies I find it

Perhaps it was shock? panic? Perhaps he felt no one would believe him bc he had killed his wife. Perhaps he thought people will think I annihilated my whole family. I can not fathom how this unfolded between this beautiful couple. I do not see any preplan by either of them for this to happen. I feel imo moo moo she had a lot to lose as well by him leaving and Imo I would think defense would present that. The prosecution imo may say she threatened him bc of separation I don’t know. But imo the bedding could have been used/stripped to carry them in. Carrying them downstairs perhaps the separste sheet was thrown away as a reaction because it was laying on the floor and dropped or slipped away . I am not sure but he made no attempt to conceal or hide any evidence . Ex. Had the sheet been in the back of a basement closet in a tub with her purse , phone etc it would imo further show planning an alibi. Imo SW was well loved and extremely active on social media as well as with friends. Had the visit from NUA not happened he knew others were trying to contact her imo and would find it suspicious moo. He wasn’t rehearsed nor did he make it look as if she may have left him imo I believe he in panic mentioned her going to a friend’s bc there was no other reason they would not be there and it popped into his head. He imo knew it was suspicious. He knew he had killed his wife. He may have felt he had to engage in interviews and what would seem normal bc he didn’t feel normal after killing his wife, nor should he. He was immediately swept up in a whirlwind and now knew imo maybe he should have called 911 what should he do? He may have wanted to talk to his dad simply to make sure his dad heard it from him first imo we don’t know. Do we know how many interviews he had with police or the length of last interview?do we know if he went willingly?

BBM
The bodies ARE evidence. Perhaps the most important evidence. And yes, he did conceal them as those who are guilty of a crime conceal the bodies. An example is someone who sets fire to their home or vehicle with the body(ies) of their murder victim(s) inside it. CW has admitted to concealing the bodies.
MOO

 

[Shekkiec]

Here’s another prime example of the sort of person we’re dealing with here.

"Amanda Thayer said, "We spoke to Chris on Monday. He mentioned putting the house up for sale; him and Shanann had spoke about doing that."

He murdered them all only hours previously and he’s talking about selling the house!!!!!!!!!!! It's beyond disgusting. What sort of person is he? I really hope the Thayers testify.

Chris Watts case: Everything to know so far about the alleged murders of his wife, daughters

This article also states all those interviewed had no indication of anything like this happening. I feel the interviews which were after he killed his wife were deceitful bc we know he lied . The interviews were strange to hear for us so those knowing him had to sense something different as well imo. We do not know how that information was gained by Thayers . Perhaps it was she who asked C.W. “are you having financial problems?” (Example question is in quotes this is not a quote from AT) and that is a snipped sentence from hours of conversation between them not a yay I’m selling the House moment imo

 

[LovesPeace2]

This case is going to get crazy with lack of info being released. I've seen a few articles in the last 24 hrs saying prosecution doesn't want reports released because they are horrendous I have seen reports that there is no DNA linking cw to children's murder .basically just people reporting their views. I think this is going to be a long case with alot of surprises

 

[Best of What's Around]

Right! Was that necessary?

I also wonder if he was really speeding through red lights when he knew his entire family was dead.

I think he might have been speeding through red lights because NAU finally said the magic words of (paraphrasing) 'I am calling the police"

 

[NuttMegg]

I may be in the minority here, but I just don’t see social media playing that big of a role in this case.

There is a lot of SM to peruse, I just don't see it supporting anything but their somewhat normal young parents' life, in debt, with kids, show happy faces for the camera. I can't believe the defense would present the "theories" that child abuse should be investigated because the kids were having fun on a water slide, because SW told CW to move around or do things during filming, that somehow using a lot of doctors is ominous behavior. I see the SM as benefitting the prosecution, if used much at all. The defense doesn't want the jury to see those cute little kids acting like kids and singing happy songs to him. Of course, who am I.

 

[Lady Justice21]

Let’s put aside the outrage by most of where he placed the bodies for a moment...and ask, what innocent person both purposely hides AND knowingly irrevocably damages the only evidence that someone else is responsible for the crimes? And in the process, thereby commits multiple felonies to do so. I would really like to know.

Really big disclaimer before I respond. I go back and forth between a few theories, but with all I KNOW at this point they all include CW being responsible.

As to "what innocent person" he wasn't an innocent person IMO. Even IF I took his confession at face value he killed his wife and unborn son. I don't expect him to behave as an innocent person, as at the minimum he'd still in his own words committed Murder 1 and the charges re: Nico, (not sure he'd know he'd face charges for that.)

 

[Shekkiec]

BBM
The bodies ARE evidence. Perhaps the most important evidence. And yes, he did conceal them as those who are guilty of a crime conceal the bodies. An example is someone who sets fire to their home or vehicle with the body(ies) of their murder victim(s) inside it. CW has admitted to concealing the bodies.
MOO

you are correct . I meant in regard to all the material evidence left out in the home I should have perhaps made sure I specified such.

 

[Gardener1850]

Question for our legal experts @gitana1 @Amandaaa @riolove77 @Mrspratcher and anyone else who is here:
I have seen a few posters suggest that the defense will claim that the THRIVE patches may have caused side effects that lead to CW and SW to both go homicidal at the same time. Is this really a viable suggestion the defense could use? I'm wondering, specifically, if defense could legally claim that during a trial without facing lawsuits from the LeVel company over making such a malicious claim about the product? They would have to prove that claim with experts right? Or can they randomly mention it in the opening/closing arguments without any evidence?

Side note: From what I have seen of the ingredients it is mostly caffeine and vitamins. So I doubt, IMO, that they will be able to claim it made anyone homicidal. But forget for a moment that the claim "my coffee made me do it" is a little ridiculous, if a defense lawyer claimed his client's Specific Brand Coffee was to blame (I.E. "My daily latte from Starbucks made me do it") wouldn't that open them up to lawsuits from the company? This is just something I wonder about evey time I see someone say THRIVE will be blamed. TIA for any insight you all can give.

 

[PommyMommy]

Was it those who believed he was guilty found it not suspicious that prosecution wanted them sealed however implied their opinion would be it seems suspicious if defense wanted them sealed? Also do you, as an attorney , feel media such as AB should request them to be released ?

I think he's guilty of annihilating his family and I don't find it suspicious whatsoever that the state asked for the autopsy reports to be sealed. Wouldn't find it suspicious if the defense asked for them to be sealed either. The prosecution is doing their job and the defense is doing their job. Period. That is how it's supposed to work.
MOO