Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #42

[MassGuy]

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When I say “you”, I mean “one”.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

We are now on thread #42 and its been almost exactly 60 days since this horrific crime happened.

For anyone who enjoys podcasts, I'm going to recommend a new one called The Dream - it delves into the workings of MLMs. Its giving me some new perspectives on SW's social media posts.

You can listen directly on the website or in any podcast app - The Dream

 

[Gardener1850]

Neither do I.
I could never watch 'funniest home show videos' because children were/are often the butt of the joke when they'd have a fall off a bike, trampoline, were scared of clowns/animals/scary noises etc.
Those shows ratings went through the roof for years and years, the more videos of children's mishaps and tears and fears, the more popular the show, The ads for the shows were always the kiddies screaming and crying. What's funny? I could never get it but I had friends who loved these shows!

To hold up a few of SW's videos as some kind of distorted, unusual kind of behaviour just doesn't ring true to me, when the majority of the western world tune in every week to watch the most appalling signs of abusive behaviour against children!
To make an example of SW, is a joke. What does it have to do with her murder, with the murder of her children?

CW is the lone survivor, the laughing, cocky, vacant soul of a man who made a decision to destroy his family. They were a burden and no longer beautiful and cute, he cut any feelings for them well before that night, they had vanished from his mind and he made it a reality. This won't be different than the other FA's, imo. He'll probably blame his mother in the end too!

Well said. The Santa thing really just seems like a personal parenting preference to me. Some parents view it as a "right of passage" for their kids to cry on Santa's lap the first few years. Most kids get over their fear when they are older. I personally cringe when parents post photos of their kids covered in food. But "baby's first spaghetti" photos fill social media feeds. Some people apparently love to see a child with marinara in their hair and laugh at it. I get grossed out, but whatever. It's not my thing, not style so I scroll on. I would never call it abusive just because I don't get it/don't enjoy it seeing it. And I think no one really "enjoys" the kids crying with Santa either. I think people laugh at the crying kids because they can relate to it somehow. They cried themselves or had kids who did the same and they know that no harm came from it.

To try to say these things indicate abuse and could be red flags indicating SW is a murderer is so out of line it's not funny. I don't think the defense will be able to find an expert to say that making the children cry on Daddy Santa's lap for 2 seconds was abuse. And if they do dig someone up to say that I don't think a jury will believe it. MOO.

 

[Mo Thuairim]

We are now on thread #42 and its been almost exactly 60 days since this horrific crime happened.

For anyone who enjoys podcasts, I'm going to recommend a new one called The Dream - it delves into the workings of MLMs. Its giving me some new perspectives on SW's social media posts.

You can listen directly on the website or in any podcast app - The Dream

It's very good. I've been listening to it with this case in mind.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I feel like the live videos were just a norm in her circle. My guess is her "people" are all posting the exact same kind of videos on any given day, regardless of content. I think it just became the norm. I'm not a big fan of that kind of sharing, but I don't read any meaning or agenda into it. I think it's over the top, but "going live" is something she and her friends/customers/upline/downline people seemed to just be in the habit of doing.

I agree, it's the norm, whether outsiders agree or not, it's just how things are.

 

[katydid23]

That seems reasonable. I think it's the "almost didn't even finish the date" part that gets to me most, as it just seems really shallow and disrespectful. Imo. I'm also lucky my husband can dress himself fine and appropriately lol.

So if their first date was so horrendous, because she was so rude and offensive and critical, why did he pursue her so vigorously?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Not having made up one's mind does not mean anyone feels SW needs to be "taken down a notch."

Well, it can't be helped, can't have it both ways, to absolve him, one has to run her down and that's exactly what's happened here for the last 41 threads.

 

[idfinch]

Even for those who have doubts that he murdered his girls, by covering everything up, he was perfectly willing to let his own family go through hell worrying about what could have happened to Shanann, Bella and Cece if they remained missing. And I'll bet he would've been fine letting them spend their savings looking for his family and worrying forever after, while he cashed in on the house and moved on happily with his life. MOO

SBM. DaisyK, thank you for posting this. I hadn't quite thought of it this way. But yes. I would think this should be a huge point for those who still have doubts to his character and intentions.

If he had gotten away with this the way he tried to do, regardless as to who you believe killed the girls, it isn't just her parents that would grieve and look forever. He was willing to let his OWN PARENTS grieve, worry, search, spend their own money to try to find their precious grandbabies, marking empty birthdays, empty Christmases... while he just moved right on like he won the start-over lotto.

That's another layer of disgusting right there.

ALL JMO

 

[flourish]

So if their first date was so horrendous, because she was so rude and offensive and critical, why did he pursue her so vigorously?

I didn't say it was horrendous. And that's a question for CW, but often people are more willing and able to overlook things in the beginning of a relationship more than later. So perhaps he could tolerate her criticisms of his style better than she could tolerate his style.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

Agreed. However, I do believe he could have tearfully read just a brief prepared statement. This assumes of course that he was in mourning for his family. But since I am convinced he was not (IMO), he clearly thought he could fool the public with 3 media interviews. Experts say that took arrogance and great confidence in his own ability to lie. He did have amazing eye contact, I will give him that. IMO

Whatever was going on in his head, I consider it a Herculean feat for CW to be able to speak his children’s name that were supposedly unexpectedly just killed by hos wife with zero emotion. No grief bubbling up from anywhere within him. Shock? Void of emotion ? or in such self preservation mode that his well being is the priority and does that speak to his ability to detach and murder his children?

 

[PommyMommy]

We both slipped up! Just found it...it is from a year ago so probably a Mexico trip...

Shanann Watts

Thank you! Yes, Puerto Vallarta.
MOO

 

[idfinch]

When I say “you”, I mean “one”.

I would really hope that by now, it's understood that replies that state "you" are meaning the general "you" or "one" rather than a specific poster.

All of the generalizations about the common race/age of killers or having to stretch imagination are just speculation, not personal arguments.

ALL JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Whatever was going on in his head, I consider it a Herculean feat for CW to be able to speak his children’s name that were supposedly unexpectedly just killed by hos wife with zero emotion. No grief bubbling up from anywhere within him. Shock? Void of emotion ? or in such self preservation mode that his well being is the priority and does that speak to his ability to detach and murder his children?

I think it would have taken a Herculean effort for him to show emotion there. The stakes couldn’t have been higher, and he still couldn’t do it.

He’s just not like most of us. Of course, that goes without saying.

 

[katydid23]

It is her valuation of him. She thinks he is inferior so she has to praise him all of the time to meet her standards.

Being thought to be inferior is not OK, is it?

How did you come to the conclusion that she thinks he is inferior so she praises him? Is this speculation?

 

[human]

Point being I've had a lot of education, training and experience with emotion coaching, empathy training, and working with troubled and "at-risk" young children, so that's likely to inform and influence my outlook and perspective. Because I truly know and appreciate the vitality of children having ownership of their bodies.

Exactly. Years of training to look at children as real live people with their needs , boundaries.

 

[katydid23]

I think it was the tone and delivery more than the literal act of praising?

People have been complaining about her praising him on her FB page too. There is no tone or delivery there.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Exactly. Years of training to look at children as real live people with their needs , boundaries.

Did CW look at his children as real people? It's a rhetorical question.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Whatever was going on in his head, I consider it a Herculean feat for CW to be able to speak his children’s name that were supposedly unexpectedly just killed by hos wife with zero emotion. No grief bubbling up from anywhere within him. Shock? Void of emotion ? or in such self preservation mode that his well being is the priority and does that speak to his ability to detach and murder his children?

I know. We can't wrap our brains around it, it is so foreign. As he said, "It's vanished." Twice. They were no longer his children, IMO. Detached. Things to dump. Can't be shock...he is too well-functioning, IMO. All I see is someone with a little nervousness from public speaking and some adrenaline rushing because he couldn't finish his set up/cover up so he has a bigger fear of getting caught than he anticipated he would, IMO.

 

[idfinch]

I didn't say it was horrendous. And that's a question for CW, but often people are more willing and able to overlook things in the beginning of a relationship more than later. So perhaps he could tolerate her criticisms of his style better than she could tolerate his style.

IMO the way the VI stated the circumstance, and the way it ended up happening between Shanann and Chris could have been very different interpretations. Both in the way it was chosen to be interpreted, and/or the way he said it behind Shanann's back. Some men just can't match clothing. My husband is one. Darned if he doesn't come out in all kinds of wacky combos asking "does this match?" and I choose something that won't look like he got dressed in the dark. He appreciates the help, and as a poster said above thread, I appreciate the help with the lawn and the car as I have zero interest.

He still loved her, married her, had children with her. He benefited like crazy from getting healthier, slimmer, changing up his wardrobe and seemed not to mind the new look or the traveling at all. She really seemed to try and please him. She picked stuff for him and the girls from his favorite team, she went all out with the Metallica tickets and shirt. She seemed to care about his interests as much as we know. Do we have any videos of him giving her a thoughtful gift or her talking about it? Having that kind of loving insight? It undoubtedly would have been filmed.

I do believe she was the dominant one and he was the submissive one in the marriage. No doubt. I just have major, massive issues and my hinky meter is raised on whether he seemed to like it a lot and put that across to her when he was there, yet bash and whine behind her back to family. Speculation. Seen it too often.

Again, ALL JMO

 

[katydid23]

Exactly. Years of training to look at children as real live people with their needs , boundaries.

So what about 'regular' moms, without years of higher education in child development. Is it wrong for them to do what they have been taught by their own families---like squirt gun play and 2 minute timeouts? Does that make them bad parents if they lack years of higher education in child studies?