Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #43

[pocketaccent]

I know. But at least, thanks to LE, they at least have the knowledge of what happened and could give them a proper ceremony/burial. If CW had his way, they would all still be losing sleep worrying and searching.

Thank you for saying that. While this thread was down, I read a book about Stoicism. The book taught me to be thankful for not only for the glass half full of water, but also be thankful for the glass itself even if it was empty.

Yes, I'm thankful that all of CW's victims have been found and the wheels of justice have started turning. It could have been much worse.

 

[Johnny1181]

I agree. I believe there were text messages when she was on her business trip and these messages may have been what enraged him. Also agree that the "ultimately strangling her" wording in the affidavit is curious and I wouldn't be surprised if he incapacitated her before he strangled her to death and there is another injury or injuries noted in the autopsy report on SW.

IMO, it will be very interesting to find out whether CW was a serial cheater. If SW not only discovered his current affair, but also discovered a history of AP's, would she even want to try to work on the marriage knowing her marriage was not "real". That her husband was not who she thought he was? That she'd been duped? Maybe for years, or maybe even from the start?

Was CW really in love with his affair partner? If he's a serial cheater, one AP replaces another and this goes on and on. Did he want out of the marriage? Maybe he enjoyed living in the big, expensive house and all of the trips SW won through MLM and the social life that seemed to center around SW's friends and the image of being normal and successful that his children and SW provided for him.

Would he have been enraged if SW told him she wanted out and he knew he would lose everything, be exposed as a fraud, and also be destroyed financially?

These are things I've seriously pondered.

JMO

I have to admit, I am so curious about what will come out regarding how the work AP that LE confirmed viewed the relationship and the communications between them.

 

[Johnny1181]

In the case I'm most familiar with, the husband was already moved out but the wife tried to implicate him by injuring herself. Each case is unique. JMO

So then it's not really like this case at all? Have you found any that are that support your post? Sincerely curious because I'm sure you posted that for a reason, I'm just not getting it.

 

[MKZoo]

This is something well documented with men. The numbers aren’t even close when comparing men with women in regards to these types of crimes.

When women kill their kids, there are always huge warning signs beforehand. Police calls, hospitalizations, DCF intervention, etc.

There is nothing like that here.

On top of that, she was pregnant. I can’t find a single case that contains the elements we have here.

Unless we’re talking about a man doing something like this, of which I can find dozens of examples.

One happens with disconcerting regularity. The other never happens.

On top of it, this guy does the one thing that only a child killer could do, dump their bodies like trash.

And easily lie about it.

He’s right where he belongs.

In addition, Shanann does fall in to one pretty well documented category and it’s not that moms on the verge of divorce run around killing their babies on the regular. It’s that the leading cause of death for pregnant women is homicide.

ETA: per @PommyMommy and her commendable research ability - CDC lists as 2nd leading cause of death.

Jmo.

 

[MassGuy]

In addition, Shanann does fall in to one pretty well documented category and it’s not that moms on the verge of divorce run around killing their babies on the regular. It’s that the leading cause of death for pregnant women is homicide.

Jmo.

Wow. I just had to Google that because it sounded unlikely.

Shockingly true.

 

[Johnny1181]

In addition, Shanann does fall in to one pretty well documented category and it’s not that moms on the verge of divorce run around killing their babies on the regular. It’s that the leading cause of death for pregnant women is homicide.

Jmo.

I'm so glad you posted this. So very true. So on point. So sad.

Edited to add, that actually brought tears to my eyes because that heartbreaking statistic is one I know of and I am so glad you put that forth. I never thought to. Thank you.

 

[Layla123]

I agree with you because women have killed their own children when husbands have left them for another woman. It seems to be more about revenge no matter which parent commits the heinous act. JMO

What about the third child?

 

[MassGuy]

What about the third child?

True. Although he’d probably claim that she planned to strangle herself to death after the fact.

It would be just as believable as the rest of it.

 

[JDough]

She left NC to come back. She was planning a gender reveal and a life there. She was trying to save her marriage. Which is it? He is paying for Colorado house and school there so he kills them or she is going back to NC? Also her business would be grandly impacted on downsales.

I have not seen any published financial or banking account records. Is there a link indicating that CW solely made the mortgage and schooling payments on his income alone? I was under the impression they had joint finances and each contributed to any household expense? Certainly could have missed this information if it has been released.

Her business would not have been negatively impacted by "down sales". That is not how the commission structure works with the company. His clients would still remain in her down-line. The ONLY client she may have potentially lost would have been CW. But I seriously doubt he would have stopped using the product if he were feeling as good as he claimed he was. Regardless; $200/month (or less) for his products wasn't going to make a bit of difference to her commissions- not at the amount she was earning. Besides, she would have had a minimum of 3-5 new clients to replace him within the first month. Losing one to gain 3-5 more would have grandly impacted her for the better.
MOO

 

[PommyMommy]

In the case I'm most familiar with, the husband was already moved out but the wife tried to implicate him by injuring herself. Each case is unique. JMO

I see. Doesn't really work for me, then. Thank you, though.
MOO

 

[Best of What's Around]

True. Although he’d probably claim that she planned to strangle herself to death after the fact.

It would be just as believable as the rest of it.

I think he may amend his confession yet for that.

 

[Johnny1181]

In addition, Shanann does fall in to one pretty well documented category and it’s not that moms on the verge of divorce run around killing their babies on the regular. It’s that the leading cause of death for pregnant women is homicide.

Jmo.

This. Thank you for posting this.

 

[Johnny1181]

I have not seen any published financial or banking account records. Is there a link indicating that CW solely made the mortgage and schooling payments on his income alone? I was under the impression they had joint finances and each contributed to any household expense? Certainly could have missed this information if it has been released.

Her business would not have been negatively impacted by "down sales". That is not how the commission structure works with the company. His clients would still remain in her down-line. The ONLY client she may have potentially lost would have been CW. But I seriously doubt he would have stopped using the product if he were feeling as good as he claimed he was. Regardless; $200/month (or less) for his products wasn't going to make a bit of difference to her commissions- not at the amount she was earning. Besides, she would have had a minimum of 3-5 new clients to replace him within the first month. Losing one to gain 3-5 more would have grandly impacted her for the better.
MOO

In addition, that mortgage is all his and entirely his responsibility as she was not on it.
Edited to say, he could not have sustained his lifestyle, mortgage, and child support on his own if she left him. Let alone those vacations Shannan took him on. jmo

 

[PommyMommy]

In addition, Shanann does fall in to one pretty well documented category and it’s not that moms on the verge of divorce run around killing their babies on the regular. It’s that the leading cause of death for pregnant women is homicide.

Jmo.

Wow. I just had to Google that because it sounded unlikely.

Shockingly true.

I think Gitana1 corrected us on this many threads back, but I'm glad this came up because it reminded me of this article:

Homicide is actually the second leading cause of death among pregnant women after car accidents, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Psychologist Dr. Jeff Gardere spoke to Inside Edition what leads men to commit these heinous crimes.

"What we typically see is in killing their child or children, killing the wife, killing the family, these are individuals who feel that this is an act of desperation – this is something they must do in order to go on with their lives," he said.

Forensic psychiatrist Dr. Keith Ablow, author of "Inside the Mind of Scott Peterson,” spoke to Inside Edition.

"In every case I have looked at, they all make sense – it may be a terrible kind of sense but the narrative makes sense – that the birth of that child represented a kind of death, an impending death for the man," he said.
Inside the Troubling Pattern of Pregnant Women Being Killed by Loved Ones

 

[book-thinker]

So, what does everyone think about the sealing of CW health records? I'm thinking HIV positive/Aids? Just a thought.

I wondering if the his lawyers are using the hipaa act to seal health records.

 

[Johnny1181]

I think Gitana1 corrected us on this many threads back, but I'm glad this came up because it reminded me of this article:

Homicide is actually the second leading cause of death among pregnant women after car accidents, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Psychologist Dr. Jeff Gardere spoke to Inside Edition what leads men to commit these heinous crimes.

"What we typically see is in killing their child or children, killing the wife, killing the family, these are individuals who feel that this is an act of desperation – this is something they must do in order to go on with their lives," he said.

Forensic psychiatrist Dr. Keith Ablow, author of "Inside the Mind of Scott Peterson,” spoke to Inside Edition.

"In every case I have looked at, they all make sense – it may be a terrible kind of sense but the narrative makes sense – that the birth of that child represented a kind of death, an impending death for the man," he said.
Inside the Troubling Pattern of Pregnant Women Being Killed by Loved Ones

Thank you as always PommyMommy for the research! You are correct as usual According to this MSM quoting the CDC and is about this case.

It still is heartbreaking to know that outside of a car accident a pregnant woman is most likely to die by murder rather than in childbirth, pregnancy complications.... hell falling down the stairs. Very sad and relevant to Shannan. jmo

Edited to correct spelling, yet again lol

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wtsp.com/amp/article?section=news&subsection=local&headline=is-homicide-a-leading-cause-of-death-in-pregnant-women&contentId=67-585186578

 

[book-thinker]

Glad this new thread is up again. Just got back from Colorado. I've been out of touch for a few days, climbed 60 ft
ladders up Indian ruins and I have a fear of heights. Checked this off my bucket list. Sorry about rambling on.

I asked family and friends in Colorado their comments on this case. Everyone is horrified,
no real discussion, beyond a few comments.

 

[Johnny1181]

I wondering if the his lawyers are using the hipaa act to seal health records.

I think the HIV route referenced is a biased and an uneducated assumption that if the defendent slept with a man (the alleged AP who came forward) then must have contracted HIV.

As far as the sealed HIPPA motion, I think it's a strategy for a mental illness claim to mitigate the death penalty when he is found guilty. jmo

 

[book-thinker]

I think the HIV route referenced is a biased and an uneducated assumption that if the defendent slept with a man (the alleged AP who came forward) then must have contracted HIV.

As far as the sealed HIPPA motion, I think it's a strategy for a mental illness claim to mitigate the death penalty when he is found guilty. jmo

I thought the same thing with the sealed Hippa motion, using the mental illness claim. Your absolutely correct about
HIV referenced being biased is correct.

 

[Johnny1181]

I thought the same thing with the sealed Hippa motion, using the mental illness claim. Your absolutely correct about
HIV referenced being biased is correct.

So tired of reading the HIV route in this case honestly. If that guy had not come forward with his story about having an affair with CW the unreasonable, biased speculation about the HIPPA seal would not include HIV. Sign of the times. jmo