Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #43

[MyBelle]

No. She didn’t strangle herself.

He did not see his kids on the monitor that morning before he left that house. We know this.

Those kids were crammed into the back seat with their mother, just before he crammed their little bodies into tanks filled with oil.

CW told police he saw the children on the baby monitor and SW was strangling CeCe.

I'm pretty sure that was before he left the house that morning. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

If CW's words are not proof, then his confession to killing SW is also a lie. I prefer to use logic that makes sense to me. It is nonsensical to insist everything CW said is a lie when there is a confession to police. JMO

A ridiculous, self-serving “confession.”

 

[Backstroke10]

We'll agree to disagree. LE obviously didn't think CW's statement was "worthless" because they included it in the affidavit. There is no evidence whatsoever that CW is HIV positive or even may be positive. I consider it salacious rumor planted by entertainment media. JMO

Yes, sounds good MyBelle and your right there is no evidence of him being HIV positive but IMO there is no evidence of his statement either: that SW killed her kids.
Edited for clarification- We will have to see if the evidence reveals answers to your theory that his statement may be true. We may or may not ever know if my theory about HIV is true and that’s fine because I’ll be the first one to say that it’s very private information and IMO has no relevance to this case. I just threw the idea out there but wasn’t stating it as some salacious rumor.

 

[MyBelle]

Uh they kinda did since they charged him with 5 counts of first degree murder.

They can charge him with whatever they want. What matters more is what the Judge thinks can be proved. JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Yes, sounds good MyBelle and your right there is no evidence of him being HIV positive but IMO there is no evidence of his statement either: that SW killed her kids. We will have to see if the evidence reveals answers to these questions.

I don't believe LE are lying about his confession. I think they probably recorded it. JMO

 

[Backstroke10]

I don't believe LE are lying about his confession. I think they probably recorded it. JMO

I didn’t mean LE lied about his statement. I’m saying CW is lying in HIS statement.IMO

 

[bonjoviblonde]

If CW's words are not proof, then his confession to killing SW is also a lie. I prefer to use logic that makes sense to me. It is nonsensical to insist everything CW said is a lie when there is a confession to police. JMO

And I refuse to bend myself into a pretzel in order to make CW innocent. It's frankly absurd that we must believe a confessed murderer of every single thing he says to be true. So because he admitted to killing his wife, then he must be telling the 100% truth about every single thing that ever comes out of his mouth? That's nonsensical. His confession isn't the only reason most of us, along with the police, believe he killed his wife, it's just a bonus. It's silly to think "Well he admitted to killing his wife, why wouldn't he admit to killing the girls?". Big difference in killing your wife ( in so called defense of your kids) than admitting you're a father who murdered your own children.

 

[MassGuy]

And I refuse to bend myself into a pretzel in order to make CW innocent. It's frankly absurd that we must believe a confessed murderer of every single thing he says to be true. So because he admitted to killing his wife, then he must be telling the 100% truth about every single thing that ever comes out of his mouth? That's nonsensical. His confession isn't the only reason most of us, along with the police, believe he killed his wife, it's just a bonus. It's silly to think "Well he admitted to killing his wife, why wouldn't he admit to killing the girls?". Big difference in killing your wife ( in so called defense of your kids) then admitting you're a father who murdered your own children.

Exactly. Throw out his tv interviews, his lies, his “confession.” All you need to know is what he did with the bodies.

Not because it was so absolutely horrific, but because that is something that only a guy who killed his family could do.

There is not one documented case where an innocent person has gone to these lengths to cover up a crime that he did not commit.

Nor is there a documented case where two parents both became (strangulation) killers at the same time.

There is good reason for this.

It does not happen. Ever.

It did not happen here. Not in a million years.

 

[Best of What's Around]

If CW's words are not proof, then his confession to killing SW is also a lie. I prefer to use logic that makes sense to me. It is nonsensical to insist everything CW said is a lie when there is a confession to police. JMO

Most people who lie about something lie strategically. LE was on to the location of the bodies. If CW didn't confess something, he would be charged with it all. Since he knew they would be able to prove he dumped all the bodies, he had no choice but to admit to killing one of them if he wanted to try to mitigate the charges. If an intruder or someone else murdered all three, why would he dump the bodies? So he comes up with a rage/defense of another type scenario for the best lemonade, however tart and unseemly it is, he could make from those lemons. The jig was up. His confession is self serving, like his lies beforehand. Do I think he would lie about what he had for lunch? no. I don't believe he is a compulsive liar. Do I think he would lie to cover up for what he thinks he has done wrong? Yes. He has proved it - lying about the affair to police, lying to the world about his missing family, and now lying that SW killed the kids. All IMO, of course. His confession is further shown for the sham I believe it to be when we know he did not call 911 to save those children in his scenario. A man whose wife just murdered his kids IMO is broken, devastated, perhaps even angry, but not dumping bodies and setting up a plan to save his behind while he shows no remorse nor devastation IMO. I believe there is a reason there is no case that sounds like his scenario in history that we have found...it does not make any sense. However, there are cases of people lying and then lying again to reduce their culpability. There are even cases of male family annihilators who seemed like great husbands and fathers who murder them all, cover it up, and when caught, try to place some of the blame on the wife....only to admit years later they were the one.

 

[Tortoise]

TY for that list.

See, all this leads me again to that cut-off remark in the "shirt" interview: "She barely [let me]..." WHAT? Barely let him "explain" why the girls were dead or gone before screaming and trying to call 911? So he "had" to kill her, too??? JMO. I can't even let my mind go to her last moments.

I've listened to it again and I can't pinpoint the place where he says this. Can you give me a time mark for it?

 

[Best of What's Around]

They can charge him with whatever they want. What matters more is what the Judge thinks can be proved. JMO

I believe, but attorneys correct me if I am wrong, the judge already had to find there to be enough persuasive evidence to meet some standard (cannot recall which standard - probable cause, more likely than not, etc) in order to deny any chance of bail.

 

[Backstroke10]

Most people who lie about something lie strategically. LE was on to the location of the bodies. If CW didn't confess something, he would be charged with it all. Since he knew they would be able to prove he dumped all the bodies, he had no choice but to admit to killing one of them if he wanted to try to mitigate the charges. If an intruder or someone else murdered all three, why would he dump the bodies? So he comes up with a rage/defense of another type scenario for the best lemonade, however tart and unseemly it is, he could make from those lemons. The jig was up. His confession is self serving, like his lies beforehand. Do I think he would lie about what he had for lunch? no. I don't believe he is a compulsive liar. Do I think he would lie to cover up for what he thinks he has done wrong? Yes. He has proved it - lying about the affair to police, lying to the world about his missing family, and now lying that SW killed the kids. All IMO, of course. His confession is further shown for the sham I believe it to be when we know he did not call 911 to save those children in his scenario. A man whose wife just murdered his kids IMO is broken, devastated, perhaps even angry, but not dumping bodies and setting up a plan to save his behind while he shows no remorse nor devastation IMO. I believe there is a reason there is no case that sounds like his scenario in history that we have found...it does not make any sense. However, there are cases of people lying and then lying again to reduce their culpability. There are even cases of male family annihilators who seemed like great husbands and fathers who murder them all, cover it up, and when caught, try to place some of the blame on the wife....only to admit years later they were the one.

Bravo! Very well said.

 

[Johnny1181]

CW admitted he strangled SW, is that also a lie?

It is true CW saw his kids on the baby monitor before he left the house that morning. That also is included in the arrest affidavit. JMO

It's not true one tiny bit he saw CeCe and Bella on the baby monitor before he left the house that morning.

They were dead along with their mother Shanann and unborn son Nico in the back seat of his truck when he left that morning. jmo

Edited to add: the last time he saw Shanann, CeCe, and Bella was when he was dumping them in oil and dirt. jmo

 

[gitana1]

I keep thinking Deeter probably features in what she did when she came in. Dogs can be sensitive to changes or upsets and he may have been unsettled.

Smart thinking.

 

[tmar]

We'll agree to disagree. LE obviously didn't think CW's statement was "worthless" because they included it in the affidavit. There is no evidence whatsoever that CW is HIV positive or even may be positive. I consider it salacious rumor planted by entertainment media. JMO

But CW has been charged for killing his entire family.
His statement was not considered in this charge

 

[RachB65]

If CW's words are not proof, then his confession to killing SW is also a lie. I prefer to use logic that makes sense to me. It is nonsensical to insist everything CW said is a lie when there is a confession to police. JMO

He had no choice but to admit to strangling her. He buried her and put the girls in oil tanks at HIS job site He was caught. And the rest of his story is to mitigate and downplay THAT murder. He's lying about not killing his daughters. Everything he didnt do to save them and everything he did to hide them and lying to EVERYONE is proof. IMHO

 

[Johnny1181]

We'll agree to disagree. LE obviously didn't think CW's statement was "worthless" because they included it in the affidavit. There is no evidence whatsoever that CW is HIV positive or even may be positive. I consider it salacious rumor planted by entertainment media. JMO

They had to include it. They obviously considered it "worthless" as per the charges he was arrested on, the prosecutor's charges filed, and the fact he's sitting in a cell without bond. jmo

 

[gitana1]

I am one of those "OCD" super organized women like SW. Just ask my family. However, I see nothing odd about her shoes being at the door rather than upstairs or her purse being on the kitchen counter. I don't have a specific place for my purse, although when I come in the house it usually ends up on the dining room table because that's closest to the door I came in. I also leave my shoes at the door (in a basket of course). My bedroom is upstairs and I don't carry my shoes upstairs to my bedroom when I get home even though I'm a super neat freak. Nor do I usually take my purse upstairs with me. My phone yes, but not my purse. You would laugh at all of the things I keep in my purse, however, it's nothing I don't have upstairs if I need it (medication, makeup, first aid, etc). There's nothing in my purse I would need to get ready for bed or in the morning, but that's just me. So I don't think it's odd her shoes and purse were where they were found. I do think it's odd and rather stupid for CW to leave her purse at the house but I still think he would have dealt with that later if it wasn't for NUA.

Hmm. Do you leave all your shoes downstairs usually?

I have a one story but I'm disorganized and shoes are in different places. They usually end up in the bedroom when I'm straightening up ad I usually take them off there as well.

 

[RachB65]

Exactly. Throw out his tv interviews, his lies, his “confession.” All you need to know is what he did with the bodies.

Not because it was so absolutely horrific, but because that is something that only a guy who killed his family could do.

There is not one documented case where an innocent person has gone to these lengths to cover up a crime that he did not commit.

Nor is there a documented case where two parents both became (strangulation) killers at the same time.

There is good reason for this.

It does not happen. Ever.

It did not happen here. Not in a million years.

Thank you, exactly!

 

[MyBelle]

And I refuse to bend myself into a pretzel in order to make CW innocent. It's frankly absurd that we must believe a confessed murderer of every single thing he says to be true. So because he admitted to killing his wife, then he must be telling the 100% truth about every single thing that ever comes out of his mouth? That's nonsensical. His confession isn't the only reason most of us, along with the police, believe he killed his wife, it's just a bonus. It's silly to think "Well he admitted to killing his wife, why wouldn't he admit to killing the girls?". Big difference in killing your wife ( in so called defense of your kids) than admitting you're a father who murdered your own children.

We'll agree to disagree. Believing CW told the truth in confessing to the murder of his wife doesn't require anyone bend into a pretzel nor does the belief CW told the truth when he claimed SW murdered the children require "bending into a pretzel." JMO