Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #45

[human]

Even if those windows weren’t tinted, that bedsheet that was left at the dumpsite, likely served that purpose, concealing her body until he was able to dump her into a shallow grave.

He had a truck and three bodies. How did he position them so a motorist would not see something strange? Eventually she would have rigor. The children as well.

His drive was forty miles.

 

[Johnny1181]

Night! Weeds are getting kinda deep to wade through for me right now.

And please don't forget to vote tomorrow. It's truly our voices in action and IT DOES MATTTER! jmo

Edited to add... red or blue. Make your voice heard. jmo

 

[MassGuy]

He had a truck and three bodies. How did he position them so a motorist would not see something strange? Eventually she would have rigor. The children as well.

His drive was forty miles.

Rigor begins about 3-4 hours after death, peaking at 12 hours. That wouldn’t have been a concern.

A pickup truck is elevated, and something covered in the backseat, wouldn’t draw attention. Even if it was a body. The sheet did its job.

 

[human]

I get it. Makes sense to you right now.

Unfortunately it does because of having spent many hours in airports with delayed flights .

 

[human]

Rigor begins about 3-4 hours after death, peaking at 12 hours. That wouldn’t have been a concern.

A pickup truck is elevated, and something covered in the backseat, wouldn’t draw attention. Even if it was a body. The sheet did its job.

What time did he kill her?

 

[human]

Rigor begins about 3-4 hours after death, peaking at 12 hours. That wouldn’t have been a concern.

A pickup truck is elevated, and something covered in the backseat, wouldn’t draw attention. Even if it was a body. The sheet did its job.

No other semis or trucks passing by would not notice especially if stopped at a stoplight?

 

[MassGuy]

What time did he kill her?

We don’t know. Sometime between 2 and 5. According to his account, they had their little argument around 4-5 AM.

Either way, rigor wouldn’t be a factor, even if it was in its initial stages, which is unlikely.

 

[Deleted member 182072]

For me, personally, it would be victim bashing. But I'm not a moderator or the owner of this site. SW is the murdered victim. CW is still alive and well. He has admitted to strangling his wife. The majority of the forum participants are discussing the direct/indirect evidence against the person charged with the crimes. And, some theorizing as to the possibility of reasons he could have done this. Most of these theories are based on direct/circumstantial evidence, VI statements, MSM interviews and MSM articles. Not social media rumors.

I have not participated in any of the HIV or steroid theories. I have not been presented with a valid source that would allow me to consider it. I will, however, say that it is a known fact that a person can contract any form of an STD when having unprotected sex with multiple partners. CW admitted he had multiple partners: his wife, and an AP. I don't know if he had more than this. I don't feel as though I have valid proof there was more than one AP. I believe it will be addressed during trial, then we will all know.

I would think if SW did not have lupus (or any other health issue), CW would have known this. He went to medical appointments with her. He wore a lupus bracelet in support of his wife. There has been nothing to refute this (other than social media rumors). Maybe he even posted information about this on his own social media accounts before he deleted them?

If their unborn son, Nico, were not CW's (or he even suspected this), I doubt be would have sent text messages indicating he "loved the little peanut already". The mere thought of this is nothing more than a social media rumor.

IMO, these theories are invalid as an open possibility for CW's claims. I've stated the reasons why I believe this. But I am certainly open to hearing another theory that can be backed up with some evidence- and is nothing more than a social media rumor.

Agree with you on everything but I would go a step further than just calling them social media rumors. For example, saying SW didn't really have lupus is just outright defamation. IMO

 

[JDough]

I'm sorry, am I missing something important here? This picture was one minute out over ten thousand minutes that he was in NC. Had the picture been taken maybe five minutes before or after, we may have seen something completely different? Believe me, I'm not defending him, but this picture seems to have no meaning to me. If I'm not seeing some meaning, please explain.

My response was to another poster who believes the photo (among many other things he/she posted today) has some sort of interesting significance to the case, and was somehow indicative of "proof" CW wanted a separation prior to the trip to NC. IMO, I do not believe the photo proves anything- that was not my intent, and apologize if it came across that way.

Another interesting point. The lady that claimed he was not interacting and has that picture to prove it.

He was on his cell.

imo

We are allowing discussion of the defense put forward by CW's legal team

 

[MassGuy]

My response was to another poster who believes the photo (among many other things he/she posted today) has some sort of interesting significance to the case, and was somehow indicative of "proof" CW wanted a separation prior to the trip to NC. IMO, I do not believe the photo proves anything- that was not my intent, and apologize if it came across that way.

That poster has been banned. I responded once myself, before I discovered that.

 

[MCDRAW]

Are you saying CW told LE where the bodies were but then left to go pick up his father at the airport after he had confessed to dumping their bodies?

I was wondering the same. No way would the police just let someone go pick his father up after telling them where the bodies were.

 

[Backstroke10]

Including the original in the quote train because wow. Wow. Devastating, indeed.

"Bolte said when he was recently questioned by FBI agents they accused him of “leaving something out,” which he insists he is not. He also said that lawyers for both the prosecution and the defense had attempted to track him down at his parents’ home in Wyoming.

The Fort Collins man, who works in healthcare, said that law enforcement agents initially reached out to him and that he cooperated with questioning. He said he wasn’t sure how investigators learned of the relationship."

I have been skimming over the TB stuff (assuming we can use his name as he's repeatedly been in MSM as an alleged AP) very lightly as I've taken it with a grain of salt, so I know next to nothing about the man. Therefore I haven't seen much of the detail in this particular article and purposely didn't watch the AB ep but read the recaps.

If much of this is true, it adds to the thoughts that there must be a landslide of digital evidence, and a lot of it won't bode well for CW.

"During that time, Chris Watts reportedly claimed to Bolte that his wife Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time of her murder last month, had been verbally and emotionally abusive.

Chris Watts allegedly told Bolte that Shanann “treated him like he was stupid” and made him feel inadequate in front of his children. After Bolte discovered Chris had been dishonest about his family circumstances, he said that Chris “played the victim” and continued to reach out to him, insisting that he was in a bad situation with no idea how to get out."

It is very much worth the read with many details. I still don't know if I give him any credibility at all. But, at least it's something to discuss other than what we've been going rounds about. JMO.

I may have to eat my words here if texts, etc come out in trial but I'm not convinced by the APs that have come forward to the media.

Edited to add I do think he's lying, cheating FA.

I am trying to recall that short statement that I believe came from an LE source in an article early on that stated CW had multiple affairs with both sexes. Was it a very legit news source...anyone remember? And am I getting the quote semi-right as well as source?

IMO Im having a hard time understanding why some people don’t believe or find credible the male individual that came forward and that CW had multiple affairs with both men and women. Why is this so hard to believe?

 

[mtnlites]

I didn't know you were battling Lupus. Love and light sent your way.

Thank you. Yes, Lupus along with Vascular Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome (my organs and blood vessels are given to rupture at any given moment and I've lost all the organs I can safely live without), and a Chiari Malformation (my brain hangs down into my neck). Because many of these medical conditions have co-morbidities, a lot of us suffer from more than one awful thing. That was one of the things that drew me to SW. With fibro, she had the full-body pain like I have with the VEDS and we both had a lot of the same limitations that Lupus gives us. In the groups (we both belonged to two), I admired her posts because while she did occasionally have her own personal questions and concerns, she was also a great cheerleader and supporter of what others were going through. And as someone who owns and operates their own business and works from home with 2 young children myself, I admired the fact that she was determined to keep living her "best life", despite the limitations that often presented themselves to us.

 

[Backstroke10]

I am trying to recall that short statement that I believe came from an LE source in an article early on that stated CW had multiple affairs with both sexes. Was it a very legit news source...anyone remember? And am I getting the quote semi-right as well as source?

You were correct Best of What’s Around and I posted this in an earlier thread.

Below are some transcripts in reference to the man's interview.
CNN.com Transcripts;

"BANFIELD: I do want to say that, you know, some reporting about this remarkable interview last night that lasted an hour was that he was anonymous. He`s absolutely not anonymous. I assure you we know exactly who he is.

We know his name. We know his phone number. We have been in conversations with him for days. He is not anonymous. He is terrified.

He doesn`t want his identity revealed publicly, but that does not make him anonymous. It`s also important to know we reached out to him, not the other way around. A lot of people say that they think this is just a moment he`s seeking in the sun, but we had to work on him for a day to convince him to actually tell the story publicly. Again, not the other way around.

[19:05:07] But I think the biggest bombshell is what you just said. Your inside source in the investigation has confirmed that Chris Watts indeed was having affairs outside of his marriage with both men and women."

 

[margarita25]

Thank you. Yes, Lupus along with Vascular Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome (my organs and blood vessels are given to rupture at any given moment and I've lost all the organs I can safely live without), and a Chiari Malformation (my brain hangs down into my neck). Because many of these medical conditions have co-morbidities, a lot of us suffer from more than one awful thing. That was one of the things that drew me to SW. With fibro, she had the full-body pain like I have with the VEDS and we both had a lot of the same limitations that Lupus gives us. In the groups (we both belonged to two), I admired her posts because while she did occasionally have her own personal questions and concerns, she was also a great cheerleader and supporter of what others were going through. And as someone who owns and operates their own business and works from home with 2 young children myself, I admired the fact that she was determined to keep living her "best life", despite the limitations that often presented themselves to us.

Word and cheers to this post.

 

[mtnlites]

IMO Im having a hard time understanding why some people don’t believe or find credible the male individual that came forward and that CW had multiple affairs with both men and women. Why is this so hard to believe?

By default, I am always skeptical when an AP comes out during a high-profile murder and starts appearing on talk shows. It's not because I don't believe CW is incapable of having a homosexual affair, I just had a hard time buying what TB was selling because it felt like (IMO) he was just enjoying his 15 minutes in the spotlight. And he was in a LOT of different places doing his selling, not just on TV. The fact that he would hold onto semen-stained underwear after all these months was one of the many things that made me side eye him.

With that said, as time goes on and I become more and more convinced that TB's stories are true and that he probably was CW's paramour.

 

[Colorado303]

Has he taken a plea deal ? Why won’t he be subjected to cross ?

Yes, IMO it has been insinuated that CW has a fanclub on this thread.

Color me stunned. So "fanclub" is a word generated by CW supporters (for lack of a better term) based on their interpretation of comments made by people who see things differently (SW supporters)? Then these CW supporters criticize SW supporters for using a word that existed only in CW supporters minds? Holy cow. Did I miss a post by Rod Serling welcoming me to the Twilight Zone?

For the sake of this post and this post only I'm stepping away from who I think did what to the girls and why. I'm pausing to ponder the amount of animosity generated by ideas born strictly in our own minds. I suspect a lot of us are saying things and judging others in a way we'd never do if we weren't anonymous and didn't have a pack of co-supporters cheering us on. Like some kind of Digital Wilding.

Despite the example above, I'm not accusing one "group" here more than the other. And I'm not saying everyone is doing it. But I've been guilty of it , all while priding myself on being non-judgmental and "open-minded". Oy.

I'm not a big SM user and this is the first chat board I've really participated in. I'm sure compared to other sites WS conversations are tame thanks in part to our conscientious moderators. But there are 1000's of other sites out there and as a SM newbie, IMO the broader sociological implications are kinda sobering.

 

[mtnlites]

He had a truck and three bodies. How did he position them so a motorist would not see something strange? Eventually she would have rigor. The children as well.

His drive was forty miles.

Tinted windows, a vehicle that sits higher than most, and a covering over the bodies? Nobody was going to notice anything, especially if they were just driving down the road.

I filled our cab with Christmas presents one year and threw some garbage bags over them. Kids never noticed.

 

[idfinch]

Not clear. It is all about the fact that the plane was delayed and there would be no way to know for how long, If they had to wait until the next day, her friend could be invited into the home where there are no children because they are dead.

Consequently, I do not feel he murdered them earlier in the evening

This makes perfect sense to me and has always been how I felt as well.

Even if he had planned to murder Shanann when she got home, which I don't know, there were too many wild cards and there was too much that could go wrong in killing the children first.

She could have seen them and either gotten away to get help, or attacked him to where his face and arms would have gotten scratched and bruised. Her plane might not have arrived until the next day or early in the AM which I think was your point, and then NUA could have come in with Shanann. Then what? He couldn't explain where the children were or why they were missing or dead, especially if he had to leave for work so early.

Plus I think that once he killed Shanann and still had the adrenaline, it was easier to kill the children second because there was no turning back, vs calmly walking in and killing the girls before Shanann got home.

All JMO.

 

[Colorado303]

Watching Denver local ABC (channel 7) news and they just said cameras aren't going to be allowed in the Watts hearing tomorrow. According to ABC, the prosecution was OK w/having it televised but the defense objected, saying it would compromise CW's chance for a fair trial.

Channel 7 also noted the trial is being moved up from 11/19, sooner than expected but no one will give them a reason why.