GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #59

[mtnlites]

He could have asked for a divorce, or even just a separation, at any time that she was in NC. She didn't want to return to CO, I think having that "out" would have been good for her. Not only did he refuse to communicate, however, but he literally led her on by making her believe that things were going to get better. That they were going to go away, just the two of them, that following weekend. One of the hardest things for me to read was her pitiful happiness at his "allowing" her to hold him before she left for AZ and her hopefulness that things were getting better. He didn't just kill her physically, he totally messed with her head and put her emotions through the wringer. Maybe he wasn't abusive throughout their marriage, but there at the end he made her life a living hell when there was zero reason to whatsoever.He could have walked away at any time. Instead, her last few weeks of life were spent worried, scared, and frustrated as she blamed herself for things that were absolutely not her fault.

For those things alone I want to see him punished, and that's before you even get to the murders.

 

[Tigerlily75]

Just jumping off this to say. I know NAU deserves praise but after reading the discovery I think Cassie deserves a huge thank you too. Seems she was the one that pushed NAU to get the police involved.

Cassie was brilliant! She clearly stands for no BS and saw straight through CW.

And can you believe, CW having just literally dumped his wife and babies, says “I hope you don’t think I’m a bad person Cassie”.

I mean. OMG.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Really? You think she knew he was a liar? And still dreamed of marrying him?

Ummm, he was good at pleasuring her, she lost her senses, that sounds too simple but maybe, she is!

 

[mtnlites]

Ummm, he was good at pleasuring her, she lost her senses, that sounds too simple but maybe, she is!

I have friends who, unfortunately, are blinded by such things. Smart, funny, warm women who will believe whatever line a man throws them as long as they're getting taken care of in the ways they want (normally by way of dining and bedroom). I don't get it myself, but I see it a lot. Most of us matured after a certain age and other things became more important to us. Some didn't.

 

[k-mac]

The discovery doesn’t say what time she called. Everyone here keeps saying she called in the afternoon, but I haven’t seen that anywhere. I keep asking for links, but so far, none. I do think she’s a victim of CW, too. I hate to see her being treated like the Scarlet Letter if the things people are saying aren’t true. For example, everyone says they are sure she looked up SW on Facebook. NK told LE she didn’t have FB. If you don’t have FB, you don’t see much when searching people on FB.

exploring ways to cash in on your love rivals murder by your lover doesn't sound like much of a victim to me.

moo

 

[mtnlites]

exploring ways to cash in on your love rivals murder by your lover doesn't sound like much of a victim to me.

moo

I don't think the two have to be mutually exclusive. She can still be a victim of CW's lies and manipulation while also doing immoral or questionable things on her end.

 

[k-mac]

Yes it's truly a kick to the gut and would have been an absolute awakening jolt to her psyche. I think that's probably why she was vomiting all night, not because of what she ate or sudden onset of pregnancy sickness.

She exclaimed 'I don't know him', just think about those words, that was her truth - her friend was so alarmed by that she asked 'what do you mean?' Her friend was momentarily scared and Shanann was terrified. That was THE moment she should have paid attention. She saw it, her body had a physical reaction to it, he showed her that he was not at all the man she thought she knew. Appropriate compassion and guilt and empathy for her was absent and in its place was brutal indifference and utterly cold heartless abandonment. He showed her he was dangerous to her emotional well-being. It's a step up for her to think she was in physical danger, but someone who can cast you adrift just like that doesn't deserve the chance to show you whether they are capable of physically harming you. He had already stuck the knife in her heart, the center that joined them.

It's natural IMO to want to push away such world shattering knowledge, I call it higher wisdom, and to want so badly to get back to the safety of the old world one inhabited, but if only she had done what she said she felt like doing - stayed in NC. I think there is a valuable lesson in this. Not a lesson in avoiding a murdering sociopath but in understanding when we are working against our higher wisdom. She saw the old Chris was just an illusion and while it was painful and shocking to accept that reality she also was terrified by what she had seen and she begged him to make her feel safe. That is the will kicking back against or interfering with the body's truth.

such a thoughtful post tortoise, well said!

she was starting to have moments of you and the fed her lies to get her home feeling safe and unguarded that everything was ok.
the trust she gave him ...the purity of her heart

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Do you have a link for, “the Police had put in place a process to locate and speak to her sooner than that.”
NK told the Denver Post she called the police Wednesday morning 8/16.
Christopher Watts girlfriend Nichol Kessinger speaks about Frederick murders

Discovery Page 1465 & 1466 (pdf 1321 & 1322)

 

[The Farm]

According to this woman Molly Golightly, who claims she has sources close to mainstream media and law enforcement, there's a very horrifying reason why police wanted CW's boot print.

It made me seriously want to throw up when she said it, so brace yourself.

Allegedly, it's because CW used his boot to push Bella down the hatch of the oil tank. Because her body was so big. I can't vouch for the validity of this claim, but given Bella's post mortem injuries, I lean towards believing it.

No wonder CW took a plea deal.

Edit: she claims this around 38 minutes in.

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Good Morning all,

The first picture before you open this video where CW is looking over the girls at the cake really haunts me. I have been trying to find it to repost but can not. But what I want to say about it is at that moment he knew he was going to kill his whole family, and to look at him what is he really thinking in that photo. What was going through his mind?
That picture really bothers me.

 

[ilovewings]

You really nailed it. That’s exactly what it would have been like for her.

Whatever she was feeling about how he was acting, it was still a long way from her thinking her life was in actual danger. I don't believe she ever thought that he could actually harm her, let alone murder her.

 

[Tortoise]

The letter...


To whom it may concern,
If anyone gets this I would never do anything to hurt myself, my children or my wife.

If anything happens to me, please investigate my wife.
Chris Watts printed with his signature underneath.

My god, what was he planning when he wrote that?

He was certainly planning to kill his children and Shannan. "I would never hurt my children or my wife" makes no sense if that's not a planned outcome that he needs to deny in advance.

He was also planning to disappear and stage his own death IMO. Because if he was planning on injuring himself he would still be alive to tell them to investigate his wife. I will never believe he intended to kill himself - he has not demonstrated an ounce of suicidal ideation or self-reproach or wanting to die for anything he did. And that wouldn't leave Shanann dead - she would have to remain alive to kill him. So was it to be an accident like where all the bodies turn up but not his? A drowning at sea for instance.

I believe he wrote the letter and not his family because he put in "hurt myself" and that wasn't a necessary ruse if it was written after the event when they knew she never attacked him. He never once mentioned having to kill her in self-defense to anyone, and even if he did make that claim later he wasn't hurt in the process so 'I would never hurt myself' is once again redundant.

If he planned on a life with NK, he couldn't pull off something like staging his own death unless she was in on it and would 'disappear' with him.

Did he plan for Shanann and the girls to disappear, and then say to NK I can't handle that everyone is pointing the finger at me so I need to move away and get a new identity, break ties with everyone (including his family who might think he did kill his family if they knew about his infidelity - he did take a photo of the family portrait maybe as a final memento of them and he also hadn't told his dad about the affair until the night he was charged), thinking she would be delighted to go with him now that he was free of Shanann and the girls. Then hope that his family would open the letter and everyone would think Shanann was still alive and had returned to kill him and hide his body in revenge for him wanting a divorce.

Far fetched? People with murdering sociopathic mindsets have been known to do crazy things like this and start new lives on the other side of the world with new identities. I think he thought he would be able to spin NK a convincing enough story about how she would also be suspected in their disappearance, to get her to change her identity too. I also think if he had gotten away with this initially he would have moved Shanann's body to a safer location away from his workplace, and that is why he left the rake head as a marker. This was a long term plan with a lot of cleaning up planned for those weeks ahead, if he survived the scrutiny of that first day.

It's the only way I can interpret his crazy letter.

Once again I am reminded how NUA is to be congratulated.

 

[jayjay54]

Liars and very shallow people all of them.

Yes, it appears that NK was an accomplished fibber also - not in the same league as CW of course, but not bad...

 

[NuttMegg]

Is it possible, deep down in Cindy Watts mind, she blames SW for what transpired that night.

Not so deep down, IMO. Right up there on the top dominating all.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

Yes it's truly a kick to the gut and would have been an absolute awakening jolt to her psyche. I think that's probably why she was vomiting all night, not because of what she ate or sudden onset of pregnancy sickness.

She exclaimed 'I don't know him', just think about those words, that was her truth - her friend was so alarmed by that she asked 'what do you mean?' Her friend was momentarily scared and Shanann was terrified. That was THE moment she should have paid attention. She saw it, her body had a physical reaction to it, he showed her that he was not at all the man she thought she knew. Appropriate compassion and guilt and empathy for her was absent and in its place was brutal indifference and utterly cold heartless abandonment. He showed her he was dangerous to her emotional well-being. It's a step up for her to think she was in physical danger, but someone who can cast you adrift just like that doesn't deserve the chance to show you whether they are capable of physically harming you. He had already stuck the knife in her heart, the center that joined them.

It's natural IMO to want to push away such world shattering knowledge, I call it higher wisdom, and to want so badly to get back to the safety of the old world one inhabited, but if only she had done what she said she felt like doing - stayed in NC. I think there is a valuable lesson in this. Not a lesson in avoiding a murdering sociopath but in understanding when we are working against our higher wisdom. She saw the old Chris was just an illusion and while it was painful and shocking to accept that reality she also was terrified by what she had seen and she begged him to make her feel safe. That is the will kicking back against or interfering with the body's truth.

Great post! Shan’ann was blind sided by his change in behavior and never even had the chance to understand what was going on.

 

[NuttMegg]

He deserves all the credit in the world for his handling of this case.

This quote makes me happy:

“We throw that phrase around all the time — life in prison without the possibility of parole — but try to imagine what that is really like," Rourke said. "The only physical contact you're ever going to have again is with prison guards, you're never going to have a romantic connection with anyone ever again, you're going to be surrounded by barbed wire, and you know the last thing you are going to see is the inside of a prison before they drag you out in a box.”

At least he knows he won't be shoved into a tank of crude oil with his buttocks being scraped by, and his hair snagging on the rough edge of the hole. I wonder if his relatives get his body back if he dies in the slammer. Larry?

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

If I was in her position my instinct would be to delete messages as well. Also, understandable why she lied to the media. Who the heck wants to be targeted for life for having the misfortune to have an a affair with a family annihilator?

I disagree about deleting the texts, if she had a stronger moral compass, stronger ethics, she would have not deleted everything. I understand deleting racy pictures but she had no reason to scrub everything. She would have been much better off not lieing in her media article. Any good PR person will tell you to apologize, own up to your actions, take the heat till it dies down. Amber Frey did contact the police, she fully cooperated with the police, she did record their phone conversations for LE.

 

[mrjitty]

Do you have a link for, “the Police had put in place a process to locate and speak to her sooner than that.”
NK told the Denver Post she called the police Wednesday morning 8/16.
Christopher Watts girlfriend Nichol Kessinger speaks about Frederick murders

Since the thread got closed in the height of my mania I lost interest in combing through the dox dump

But are a couple of documents where they describe the process of pulling together packets for the investigative officers so they can locate and contact NK

Seems like a standard process they use in order to track down persons of interest

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

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[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

His supporters will need concrete evidence of that though. His mistress saying that will not be proof enough. They will want to see the evidence before they believe it.

They won’t believe it even if they see the evidence.

 

[mrjitty]

The discovery doesn’t say what time she called. Everyone here keeps saying she called in the afternoon, but I haven’t seen that anywhere. I keep asking for links, but so far, none. I do think she’s a victim of CW, too. I hate to see her being treated like the Scarlet Letter if the things people are saying aren’t true. For example, everyone says they are sure she looked up SW on Facebook. NK told LE she didn’t have FB. If you don’t have FB, you don’t see much when searching people on FB.

I couldn't resolve this in my read through.

It's clear the police began to look for her independently as her existence arose in the course of the investigation. A packet was put together for investigators - presumably containing available info on where she lived etc.

Who called who first doesn't appear to be confirmed in the file.

What I am wondering about is if she approached police through her lawyer in which case, it might explain why the interview didn't happen immediately