GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #61

[LAHOLLA]

Also, those cards. I think it’s interesting that most of his endearments seem to be song lyrics- other people’s words.

 

[MassGuy]

NK said in the docs released earlier that CW facetimed her after the murders, he was on a bare mattress and was staring/fixated on her. I keep remembering it as a "blue mattress" but I can't find it now to verify. Am I remembering correctly that a color was mentioned? Because if you scroll down halfway there's a video of LE testing the baby monitor. The mattresses are bare. The master mattress is white. It appears the children's mattresses are white too. (Although they could be a pale blue.) So he either facetimed her from the basement or possibly one of the children's bedroom.

Correct. Nichol FaceTimed CW on August 12. She believed he was laying on the mattress in the basement. She said it “could have been blue in color.”

Page 649.

 

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NK said in the docs released earlier that CW facetimed her after the murders, he was on a bare mattress and was staring/fixated on her. I keep remembering it as a "blue mattress" but I can't find it now to verify. Am I remembering correctly that a color was mentioned? Because if you scroll down halfway there's a video of LE testing the baby monitor. The mattresses are bare. The master mattress is white. It appears the children's mattresses are white too. (Although they could be a pale blue.) So he either facetimed her from the basement or possibly one of the children's bedroom.

Page 649 of the Discovery Report:
NICHOL said she ended the phone conversation with CHRIS and he later facetimed her that evening August 12, 2018. She said on the video call CHRIS was wearing a black wife beater t-shirt and he was laying on a mattress with no sheets on it.

NICHOL did not know what bed CHRIS was on but said it did not look like his makeshift basement bedroom. NICHOL said the mattress CHRIS was laying on could have been blue in color.

ETA: Man, I am never racing against @MassGuy and @PommyMommy. They are ON IT!!

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

After listening to the NK Show I have a better understanding of her comment (Denver Post?) that CW was a good listener. That would be an essential quality for any man to survive the first date. IMO.

Lol

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

I can completely believe his actions. After those news interviews, nothing surprises me about him.

Just more evidence that he is a sociopath.

Pass the pizza.

I bet it was fresh, warm pizza. Unlike the cold leftovers he tossed at the girls for their last meal.

Moo

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

I have a hugely massive problem with seeing NK's life, the life she still has after willfully having an affair with a married man with 2 toddlers and a pregnant wife still living in the family home, the life she still had when researching her Amber Frey book deal options, the life she had when searching Shanann at the same time as sleeping with her husband (I'll eat my socks if she never had any idea that Shanann was pregnant and never did any SM hunting)... the life she had when being questioned and her father was there to say "leading" about questions to protect her... the life she still has to live when according to some she should have been protected by LE (despite being rude, arrogant and sometimes uncooperative) and is a poor thing because she searched for anal sex prep with Shanann's husband and they didn't redact a ton of stuff to spare her feelings because they must have a big old grudge... to be just as ruined as Shanann's life.

Shanann who was pregnant, ill, desperately trying to save her marriage and the health of the unborn child CW later said he didn't want because his new fling was so exciting. Shanann, the wife who was strangled by her husband. Who has no life at all anymore. Who's husband was sleeping with a woman who was in HER own marital home with her things and her babies things. Who can't have her father step in and protect her, or her 3 children anymore. Who has been raked over the coals even after death for being such a bad wife she was probably responsible for her own murder in many circles. Who's husband's mistress was indignant at the thought of him sleeping with his pregnant wife. Who was tossed into the dirt face down with her son partially birthed.

Yeah, no. The sympathy train for Nichol Kessinger does NOT stop at my station.

MOO.

Thank you. Perfectly stated.

 

[Gardener1850]

No, you didn't imagine it. I am including all of her searches in my response since it was suggested by someone that only talking about one of her searches is unfair. The following begins on Pg 1887 (Discovery pg 2082).

9/1/2017 - searched the internet for the name "Shanann Watts"

7/24/2018 - searched Google for "Man I'm having an affair with says he will leave his wife"

8/4/2018 – for over two hours, searched Google for "wedding dresses"

8/4/2018 - Google search for Chris and Shanann's Facebook accounts

8/8/2018 - Googled topics related to "marrying your mistress

8/11/2018 - in anticipation for her evening with Watts, Kessinger spent forty five minutes searching Google on topics like "how to prepare for anal sex" and "the anal sex guide." This progressed to searches at "Pornhub" for interracial videos and "threesomes with double penetration."

8/11/2018 - having concluded her evening tryst with Watts, Kessinger searched the internet on topics like "Chris Watts" - "Shanann Watts" - "Ronnie Watts" and "2825 Saratoga Trail"

8/14/2018 - searched Google for Shanann Watts

8/14/2018 - spent nearly four hours searching Google and the internet for Watts, news outlets and news accounts of Shanann's disappearance

8/14/2018 – searched Google on topics like "can cops trace text messages" - "How long do phone companies keep text messages" - "Difference between text message content and text message detail"

8/14/2018 - searched the internet for news accounts of this incident and Shanann's name (these searches were conducted frequently by Kessinger throughout the next several days. She deleted every one afterwards)

8/19/2018 - searched the internet on topics related to Amber Frey {the mistress of Scott Peterson; he murdered his wife and unborn child}. Her searches included Frey's book deal, her net worth and "did people hate Amber Frey"

Thank you Pommy for reposting this list. I already went through and found things that SW posted in August 2017 that would have been easily seen by NK Sept 1, 2017. Next, I'm going to work on posts for 8/4/2018 and 8/11/2018. I believe there is no way NK did not know SW was pregnant before Aug 14th, 2018. JMO.

 

[tmar]

I can only imagine the disgust Shanann's family felt when they had seen what NK had to say. Especially regarding the book deal search. Frankie said their pursuit of justice isn't over. I wholeheartedly support that pursuit and completely understand why they are seeking it.

Someone entertaining the idea of profiting off of a dead family is asinine ESPECIALLY within days of their murders. It follows a pattern since NK was imagining a married life with CW while he's still married and then she's acting pious while asking him to research the impact a divorce has on children. She added, it's worse on them when they are older though! They will have a blast sharing a room in your apartment! (Paraphrasing)

The justification of and minimizing of her actions isn't a good look. What goes around comes around, I guess.

Your statement, "What goes around comes around, I guess", I hope, works here.
Then of coarse, we have Karma.
Well, we already are seeing these factors at work.
MOO.

 

[yawningreyhound]

Something that also struck me in this release of docs/vids, the readaction seemed a little inconsistent. There's an awful lot of addresses and phone numbers released.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

Yeah I mean the plea is a "full confession".

I know but I need all those “a plea is not confessing it is an agreement” folks to see it in black and white- they are driving me nuts

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Agree. To imply that the criticism of her behaviors is only because she is a woman is the true definition of being sexist. Believe it or not, I do have the ability to few people on their own merits and not their gender and she is very lacking in the merit department

Sorry but I disagree completely. If you participate in an affair with a married man you are actively ruining your own life as well as his life the lives of his family. The ruining of her life is the result of NK's own actions. CW alone murdered his family but he also cheated with a willing partner who knew he was married with kids. They share equal responsibility for the affair IMO. But bottom line is that, in the end, SHE IS ALIVE! This "ruining of her life" in no way compares to the murder victims who now have NO LIVES TO LIVE. She is not "just as ruined" as Shanann, Bella, CeCe and Niko. NK can move, change her phone number, change her name if she wants to and eventually most people will stop talking about her. I wouldn't be surprised if some men liked what they heard/saw about NK's affair with CW. And as seen on this board, she obviously has supporters. There are people who condone her actions and condone her affair. There are people who will think NK had every right to have an affair with CW because she thought the marriage was struggling. I'm not one of those people. She gets no sympathy from me for being a cheater. She had no right to Shanann's husband. She had no right to Bella and CeCe's father. Just because he told her a pack of smooth talking lies does not give her the right to have an affair and come out of it unscathed.
MOO.

Exactly. It's not like Chris forced himself on, or just tripped and fell in. Every action she took was intentional,and of her own accord.
A cheater can only cheat if they have a willing partner, and she was that in spades.

 

[PommyMommy]

NK said in the docs released earlier that CW facetimed her after the murders, he was on a bare mattress and was staring/fixated on her. I keep remembering it as a "blue mattress" but I can't find it now to verify. Am I remembering correctly that a color was mentioned? Because if you scroll down halfway there's a video of LE testing the baby monitor. The mattresses are bare. The master mattress is white. It appears the children's mattresses are white too. (Although they could be a pale blue.) So he either facetimed her from the basement or possibly one of the children's bedroom.

IIRC, she also said a TV was on. There was no TV in the basement. MOO

 

[The Farm]

Can you believe CW's actions at the interview.
Calmly shows how girls were placed into the tank openings.
Then, not happy that he will be eating LE's food.
Then eats pizzas, plus more.
This is a moron.
MOO.

The female detective asked him what kind of pizza he wanted and I think he said anything. I was surprised that they would even give him his choice but when you want the facts and more maybe at that point you even offer a steak dinner.
He was hungry, it was a busy day.
He annihilated his family, went to work and disposed of them, got phone calls wondering where they were, raced home to NUA and police, interviews on the porch,,,,yup he worked up an appetite. LE wanted to make sure he did not faint from hunger.

 

[idfinch]

What person, seriously upset or in grief over murders of children, in which she appears to be a factor as a motive, would say something like that. So blasé and as a sassy sitcom teen might say.

And "I legitimately think"...huh? as opposed to not really thinking at all before she performs?

This gal is 30.

Yes, this! This sums up the absolutely bizarre attitude and seeming lack of taking anything seriously beyond how it affects her or was affected by her.

"His cheese was sliding off his cracker"?!

This is how she describes the grown man she was sleeping with, the married man who just killed his pregnant wife and children? As a 30 year old woman? Participating in questioning for a quadruple murder investigation?

 

[katie565]

Page 649 of the Discovery Report:
NICHOL said she ended the phone conversation with CHRIS and he later facetimed her that evening August 12, 2018. She said on the video call CHRIS was wearing a black wife beater t-shirt and he was laying on a mattress with no sheets on it.

NICHOL did not know what bed CHRIS was on but said it did not look like his makeshift basement bedroom. NICHOL said the mattress CHRIS was laying on could have been blue in color.

ETA: Man, I am never racing against @MassGuy and @PommyMommy. They are ON IT!!

I used to think PommyMommy and Massguy had a secret office of 200 people always ready to search but now I think they are actual computers and not really people at all haha

 

[Lore Listener]

AUDIO: Chris Watts’ Mistress Says She Might Have 'Accelerated the Process' of His Crimes

In audio of the Aug. 16 interview released Thursday and obtained by The Denver Post, Nichol Kessinger tells police she believes the Watts’ finances were the biggest factor in his crimes, but said her relationship with Watts might have “accelerated the process.”

(Click here for the audio.)

She says a lot of people might blame her, believing she was the catalyst for the slayings, but she adds, “I legitimately think his cheese was sliding off his cracker long before he met me,” says Kessinger.

BBM. Well isn't she cute. The "cheese was sliding off his cracker"? It's all a joking matter to her. If you can't be serious about an entire family brutally destroyed and desecrated by the person they loved and trusted most, you clearly don't give a $%&! about anything but yourself. Sorry, not sorry, guys. She's disgusting. No one should ever, ever joke about this, let alone a woman coyly insinuating that she's so "electric" and irresistible that a man committed the murder of his own innocent babies for her. Or, correction, I guess she said her charms merely "accelerated the process."

I'm glad this People article is out there. The public had a right to know more than Nichol's fancy PR campaign and glamour shots in the Denver Post would have them believe.

 

[NuttMegg]

Did anyone else notice that CW in his media interview referred to "her people", ie SW's people she worked with. I didn't think anything of it, but noticed it. Then, NK also, the night before his media blitz, refers to "his people". Is this common these days, his people, her people? I don't think I've ever used that, I would say his friends, her team, her relatives, something like that.

 

[Deleted member 182072]

AUDIO: Chris Watts’ Mistress Says She Might Have 'Accelerated the Process' of His Crimes

In audio of the Aug. 16 interview released Thursday and obtained by The Denver Post, Nichol Kessinger tells police she believes the Watts’ finances were the biggest factor in his crimes, but said her relationship with Watts might have “accelerated the process.”

(Click here for the audio.)

She says a lot of people might blame her, believing she was the catalyst for the slayings, but she adds, “I legitimately think his cheese was sliding off his cracker long before he met me,” says Kessinger.

It's hard to say for certain, but they already had problems before NK was in the picture.
We know from discovery that SW asked an attorney (chance encounter at restaurant in March or April 2018) several questions about divorce.
CW convinced her to stay and try for another baby to strengthen their marriage.
If CW thought (at that time) financial strain was their biggest problem, would he really have thought having another baby would help?
If SW had divorced him, does anyone here think he would have killed them if there wasn't someone else?
Somehow I think that all of the nagging from NK really got CW thinking seriously about his finances for maybe the first time ever and made him think that was the only way to afford a future with her.
JMO

 

[MassGuy]

IIRC, she also said a TV was on. There was no TV in the basement. MOO

I think you’re conflating that FaceTime video with a later phone call.

“We discussed a phone call between Kessinger and Chris between 9pm and 11pm on Sunday night. She was not certain what they talked about during this call. She recalled hearing a television on during the call. She said there was not a television in the basement so she did not know where he was and why he was watching television when it was so late.”

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[Gingerbread7]

I bet it was fresh, warm pizza. Unlike the cold leftovers he tossed at the girls for their last meal.

Moo

I bet that PIZZA offer was intentional. His last meal as a free man was pizza, just like the last meal he gave Shannon’s beautiful baby girls.