GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #63

[MsBetsy]

Very tech savvy too, by her own admission. Knew how to cover her tracks, or any facebook stalking. But didn't manage to get rid of the google searches. I'm wondering if she was watching this pregnancy with interest, waiting to see how long it would be before he told her. She seems to have been able to walk away too easily, and that could be a sign she was always holding back and testing him when she [might have] told him to fix it with Shanann.

I do think she was testing him. I don't think she was really saying to him you should try to work it out, then we'll see what happens. I think she wanted reassurance that he didn't want Shanann anymore and only wanted her. Watts was just too dumb to get it, and he just took it literally. Imo

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

This is why i don't think she is acting.

She is being deceptive to keep her image in tact despite the murders and the need to be 100% truthful.

 

[mrjitty]

No, that was my answer to why she sent him steamy pictures while he was in NC. CW told her SW was done with him.

I tend to think the tipping point for the murders is that he reached the point where he had to move out. There was no longer any way to square the circle

But that was too inconvenient for him.

 

[Tortoise]

I missed that post of @PommyMommy. I try to read everything she writes. The only evidence I know about is NK saying she advised him to fix his marriage. She said it during her first interview. That counts, doesn’t it? I think NK and CW got themselves involved in a hot, steamy, sexy relationship pretty fast after Shanann went to North Carolina. I think they spent a lot more time playing sex games, taking photos, and doing the deed than they spent having serious conversations about the status of his marriage. I think NK innocently believed CW’s marriage was over because CW told her it was, and because he seemed to be available 24 hours a day. When Shanann returned, all of a sudden things started to change. It all happened very quickly.

It's evidence but it's not. It's her word. So it comes down to does she have credibility? Why should we believe a witness who lies? She lied about knowing Shanann's name. There are other lies that I can't think of because of new information overload.

 

[RachB65]

Omg that video is so telling!!!! Guilty as sin! And his neighbor at the end. Wow.

That commercial at 3:54 i got chills- knowing what we do now. A fetus. Followed by a skull coming out of a black oil like substance.

BBM
Synchronicity

 

[gitana1]

I am not an attorney, but I think it is state-by-state. First, depending on how the time is split, and in most states, both incomes are taken into consideration. And of course, a good lawyer can make a difference.

But in SW’s situation, with the pregnancy, the first year Nico would have been totally with her should she breastfeed, plus perceived loss of income due to pregnancy and delivery. It would have been hard for Chris. And he understood that with NK, it would have not been 50/50.

If he just moved out into the hotel. Just moved out, or would start leaving the house at night, without formally separating. Anything but what he did.

Just came to my mind - NK’s account or whoever spoke about Nico being not CW’s son must be total nonsense.

Because if it were the true fact, CW would have a major ace during the divorce, maybe wiggle out of child support for Nico. Play the wronged man.

No, the truth is, CW knew too well it was his child that SW was carrying.

I know of no state where only one parents' income is considered for purposes of support. That seems bizarre and counter intuitive. In all the states I've seen child support calculated it's usually based on a multitude of factors.

Regardless, let's put actual child support aside. Why not just kill Shanann (say she started acting insane and abandoned the kids), and keep Belle and Celeste? Well, he would still have to pay for the kids. They're expensive. Child care while he works. Preschool. Food. Supplies. Diapers. Clothes. Medicine. Extracurriculars. Etc.

Whether he paid SW and/or cared for them himself, that would be a big on-going expense that would take away from his ability to buy jewelry and take his new woman on vacations.

And clearly that was all he suddenly cared about. Obsessively.

Moreover, just spending time with his kids was something his new little princess made pretty clear, IMO, that she resented.

When she talked about him needing to spend time with his kids when he had them it was the same as her telling him, "You should work on your marriage."

I see it as petulant and passive aggressive. She was peeved by his beautiful wife and kids and life and so she jealously told him, "maybe you should work on your marriage.", so that he would assuage her insecurity and reassure her that he wanted her and she was first.

She was annoyed that he had "baggage" and that he would have to deal with someone else's kids instead of spending time with her. So she petulantly told him he needed to spend time with his kids.

It was clear to me that's not at all what she wanted. The impression she's given me is of a spoiled brat who gets her way with passive aggressive manipulative tactics. Sulking. Sullen anger until she gets what she wants: "Oh I can clearly see how important your work dinner is. Don't mind me. I will find something to do. I just wonder when I'm going to ever be that important."

Stuff like that.

It was obvious she didn't want his baggage. She wanted him all to hersel and to start her own family- not deal with someone else's. She was clear in her comments and she strikes me as the spoiled and demanding type to express that to him as well.

So, he gave her what he thought she wanted and got rid of his family altogether. He dumped the "baggage."

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Can someone else verify what I think I heard. At 1 hour and 7 minutes she said she had only been working there FOUR months. Am I misunderstanding or can someone else verify?

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[liltexans]

@liltexans - Is it within reason to ask posters not to link to Jay is 4 Justice and other non-msm youTube videos? Perhaps posters could tell folks what to search for at youTube or other places? It doesn't seem right to drive views and potential subscribers to certain youTube channels.

Please delete this request as seems fitting.

I just saw this post. It's actually against TOS to link to non-MSM YouTube videos in any case, with a few exceptions. We allow videos from GrayHuze (a WS member), the Brainscratch videos, and most expert analysis videos, such as a defense attorney's professional opinion on a case. We do not allow random people's YouTube channels to be linked or videos to be posted unless you ask @Tricia first for permission to post the video or link.

Jay is 4 Justice or any other podcast from the MRS people is NOT allowed to be linked here. The name of the podcast can be mentioned (as I just did), but no one should link to the podcast page(s) or FB page(s) directly.

Please alert if you see any posts violating these rules. If anyone has further questions about what may or may not be linked or posted in the thread, please contact me or any other moderator or contact @Tricia directly and we will be happy to help.

 

[mrjitty]

She is being deceptive to keep her image in tact despite the murders and the need to be 100% truthful.

Meh

I guess I am a bit more cynical than this.

e.g What say her and Watts were big into drugs. Should she destroy the drugs when she realises the police are about to be up her arse?

I would.

No way I would take a drug bust to be 100% honest for my murdering lying boyfriend.

 

[NuttMegg]

No, that was my answer to why she sent him steamy pictures while he was in NC. CW told her SW was done with him.

So we know that he told her that SW was done with him before she sent him the raunchy photos? I haven't seen that. That's why I say she was pushing pushing. She couldn't wait until he got home to find out what was going on, given that she was so very hesitant to go out with a married guy ? IIRC she started apartment hunting while he was in NC (no source, but that's my impression). All of this in a week of his travel to NC? We've repeatedly heard, from her, about imploring CW to make it work, and she can't wait a week until he gets back to hear a little more than a text or 2 to start apartment hunting for him?

 

[Thinker Belle]

Could that be the "Jim" guy?

I think so! It just seems strange that she was in he Frederick area at that time when CW was driving the bodies to the oil site. I just don’t trust NK and not totally convinced that she wasn’t somehow involved or didn’t have knowledge of what was going to happen.

Big MOO

 

[PommyMommy]

I notice the same. Like in her messages to Charlotte, I don't see her saying stuff like "I think I met the love of my life" or anything of substance other than "he seems too good to be true". Even that seems like more of an indicator of her doubting he would leave his wife. If I was talking to my best friend about falling in love, I would be gushing about how he makes me feel or his great personality. She mentions mainly the sex. Maybe I've been married too long or am too sentimental of a person compared to single people my age.

I agree that she wasn't ready to marry him immediately. I don't agree that she was encouraging him to fix his marriage, however. If you're encouraging someone to work on their marriage, would you advise them to pawn their wife's wedding ring?

NK said herself that they discussed marriage. Why would you do that if you were encouraging someone to stay married to his spouse? It makes no sense.

Pg 509 (Discovery pg 576) From NK's 8/16 interview:

CHRIS and NICHOL had discussed long term plans. She asked him if he did not have the big house what would his house look like. CHRIS said he would have a smaller ranch house. They agreed to have more of a simple life.

CHRIS and NICHOL talked about marriage off-handed. These were not deep conversations.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Yes, I wondered who she was calling in Fayetteville! That's where the Watts live....

Now I really want to find that jpg that somebody posted earlier and see who called who first Etc but I think the phone calls lasted over or about an hour?

And when did each of them learn each other's numbers to have contacted each other so quickly. I don't think his father talked about that in at the interviews, and neither did Nicole.

 

[sun16]

So she immediately started looking for apartments for him?

Yeah, because that’s what you do when you so, like, don’t even really know somebody very well.

 

[cybervampira]

So we know that he told her that SW was done with him before she sent him the raunchy photos? I haven't seen that. That's why I say she was pushing pushing. She couldn't wait until he got home to find out what was going on, given that she was so very hesitant to go out with a married guy ? IIRC she started apartment hunting while he was in NC (no source, but that's my impression). All of this in a week of his travel to NC? We've repeatedly heard, from her, about imploring CW to make it work, and she can't wait a week until he gets back to hear a little more than a text or 2 to start apartment hunting for him?

It depends on your perspective. Some might say she pushed him or even make her responsible for CW murdering his family. I think she wanted some proof he‘s committed and not playing games with her. Fair game.

Was she the reason CW annihilated his family? Yes. Was she responsible for his actions? No.

 

[gitana1]

I think NK's idea of encouraging him to "fix" his marriage, while at the same time sending him nice photos, was probably more a manipulation and insecure rant -- she was probably super upset that he was in NC, telling him to go just be with his wife and family then if he wasn't going to get his own place snap, get divorced, and be with her. That isn't really a heartfelt "fix your marriage"; it's a needy call to action and devotion, really.

Exactly. I mean come on! We all heard her in that interview. We read her text messages.

She's not a nice, , smart or mature human being, IMO.

 

[x_files]

Hope he sends a card about this first, to share with NK.

I have a hard time believing he didn't try to contact NK since he was arrested.

 

[PommyMommy]

I had seen him referenced as the "guy" on the couch about 10posts after NK was discovered. They don't play on here.

Can you please post this vid or just point me to the info thread. I'm so scared to leave here and not find my way back. Lol newbie blues

He ACTUALLY pulled RAGE out of NOWHERE! Go back and watch and post if you can. I know I made a mental note of it because after i had seen that a person posted saying he and his dad seemed to be rehearsing which story they were going with in the interrogation room and I could not have agreed more.. like an extended conversation from the ride.

I'm sure the video can be seen a number of places, but here is a link I have handy: Killer Chris Watts Watched Neighbor's Surveillance Video The Day Before His Arrest

 

[Herat]

I think CW “cooled” on the talk of the apartment search when it became evident that a first & last’s month’s rent and a security deposit were going to need more funds than he had immediate access to, and that he would have to get past SW to get that much money.

I think that one of the next options became to sell the house, but then that would mean filing for divorce. Then he could sell the house and get the funds to start his new life.

But that was going to require him to plan to confront SW and demand a divorce, then hire lawyers, get a settlement- and that was going to take years, as SW would NOT go for an amicable divorce.

So SW was the obstruction.
In his sociopathic delusion of a dastardly “simple” solution, it would all be so clean and he would be the sympathetic figure.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

For anyone who has it, I cannot find something I'm looking for. Up thread somebody posted her phone calls and there was the night of the 13th calls to Fayetteville. Can somebody throw that back up and does anyone know if we are allowed to talk about who lives in Fayetteville? Was that his parents or her parents or who was that in the Carolinas if I'm allowed to ask.

That was CWs number.

 

[MsBetsy]

It struck me as so odd, that CW would think “rage” would be an understandable reaction. I’ve never seen anything like it. I have no idea what it means, but to actually kill 3 people with his bare hands, CW was on a rampage. Was he calm, cool, and methodical when he did it? Or was he crying out in anguish? I have no idea.

I think he just said it was rage because he felt it would in some way justify his actions to his father. While I do think it was methodical and controlled, I think it's possible that he carried a huge amount of anger and resentment around with him throughout his life. He was all about control. He wanted everyone to see him as the laidback, good guy who could be depended on.
I don't think anyone knew who he truly was including himself. He didn't seem to understand the emotions most people have. He probably spent years studying it and trying to figure out how to be "normal." Imo