Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34, dec.), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #3

[Tippy Lynn]

I don't know if I'm in the minority here, but I don't feel like he ever hurt those girls. I have the hardest time (still- I posted about this last night too) figuring out what made him "snap" enough to kill his kids. There are SM videos of his daughter vocalizing her love for him, there are photos of the girls cuddling and snuggle up on him, all smiles. I don't see any Lucas Hernandez-style pictures here. The unverified account of the friend who said the MIL and SIL tried feeding one daughter peanuts said that SW insisted that CW stay close by to keep them safe. I don't think he hurt them at all, until that night. Are there other cases like this? Why does this happen? The only other one that comes to mind is Justin Ross Harris, whose ex-wife still swears he wouldn't have left Cooper in his hot car on purpose, because he loved him so dearly. I'm just struggling with this one yall.

Im sorry if this offends anyone. I’m having a hard time seeing CW as being a physically or emotionally abusive person. From past experiences I’m usually pretty good at spotting signs. I’m sure I’m the minority here, but I see SW as wearing the pants. If CW was abusive towards SW I highly doubt he would “allow” her to travel the way she does, especially for 6 weeks. I don’t think he would “allow” her to post as much as she did on SM and especially not pics in a bathing suit, I just don’t see it. I have a suspicion that she wanted out and he went off the deep end. I’m in no way, shape or form victim blaming - he is to blame. Is anyone else having the same thoughts as me?

 

[Herat]

I’m still bothered about how they racked up $1500 in HOA fees, to the point of a civil lawsuit. Let’s says they are just behind in dues - at $54/month, that’s over two years! How come they didn’t pay this most basic expense?

Since Shanann was a SAHM, she probably got the mail. How could these notices be ignored? Who took care of the family’s finances?

I’m thinking there is a huge financial aspect to this case. I’m not making excuses for the evil CW did, but it could be he snapped after getting bills in the mail during his 6 weeks alone, and just balking.

I think the financial walls were closing in. With the $57k drop in income, they couldnt afford the house. When she was away with the kids for 6 mweeks, he got a taste of the bachelor life again and could see the house was too expensive, that a new baby brought more medical costs, that the two girls would be having school fees, AND that a divorce would bring only more expense.

Most men deal with this loss and move on with their lives.

He decided to do the unthinkable

 

[moonriverfarm]

Is there a link to him commenting after being arraigned - saying he did what was best, or something to that effect?

 

[Momma2cam]

I want to agree because it makes so much sense. And it sort of neatly explains how a seemingly normal and loving husband and father can do something like this.

But I think it's more complex.

Not everyone who commits a hideous atrocity is a sociopath or psychopath. Maybe they have some tendencies or aspects of it but it's not always that clear cut.

His post-confession media interviews were off. He seemed very emotionless and flat when discussing his beloved family being possibly "not safe".

But there were tells that some of the best sociopaths would likely not display.

True psychopaths/sociopaths tend to have low fear or arousal levels. They can do the worst and don't tend to fear getting caught.

But this guy had some hard swallows during the interviews. He described a lot of feelings. "My heart is racing a mile a minute." That's fear of getting caught.

"Emotional argument". "Traumatic night." "Ghost town."

"Earth shattering"

When asked to spell his daughter's names he had a reaction. Small but there.

He was feeling a lot of things about what he had done. And I believe there was remorse.

So I predicted a quick confession as did many others.

The FBI using the baby's nickname. "Cece". And saying they would not rest. Both statements were meant to appeal to emotions on the part of this creep that pure sociopaths don't typically have.

I mean clearly he's on the spectrum. But I don't think it's that cut and dried. (Is that the right phrase?)

I totally agree. Sociopaths rarely confess and when they do, it is not within days. He is certainly on the spectrum though. Moo.

 

[RavenCC2020]

It chills me to the bone, that someone you love and trust, is the father of your kids, could just turn on you like that...I knew we see it all the time here, but gosh, how could Shanann or anyone EVER imagine such a thing happenening, those wedding photos and pictures of them together...you really just never ever know about someone sometimes.

It just proves how easily the mind can be decieved. We look at their pics and see a wonderful warm loving family. That is just it, it's one dimensional and people are not one dimensional. I think your first impression is by overall appearance so they were a young couple with kids, all clean, well care for looking and outwardly friendly. That is what is seen from the outside but never is that a proper summation of who they are.

Example, I'm youngest of my family, large age differences from youngest to oldest. My BIL was friends with a guy who scared the heck out of me by sight. Big, burly, tat's, biker dude in leathers, kind of loud and seemingly obnoxious etc. He hung with a biker group that also scared me... I avoided him at all costs.....fast forward 40 years. That same guy has been married for over 45 years. He has continued to ride bikes with his wife until recently, and he is the biggest, nicest, cuddly bear you could meet. What changed? Nothing did, just my perception of him. My first impression was scary dude. Over the years having spent time with him at gatherings at my sisters I saw who he REALLY was. Most of the braggadacio was gone, saw him interact with his kids (amazing dad btw) and have seen him pamper his wife and treat her like a princess, and he has the BEST sense of humor of anyone you could meet. If I took a pic of him today you would probably have the same reaction to seeing him as I did when I first met him...RUN!!! LOL

Just more proof you can never judge a book by it's cover.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

Instagram photo showing how both of them lost weight from Dec. 2015 to Dec 2016.

She was focused on becoming healthier and more attractive, and developing a lot of social contacts/support through the MLM... could be a contributing factor to him feeling like he was losing power in the relationship.

Thrive Healthy Fit Mom on Instagram: “It's been an amazing 11 months Thrivin! Thrive has been us so much, the benefits are endless! From weight management, energy, better…”

 

[Doghairrules]

If he were an abuser he had 6 weeks of pent up frustration with no one in the house to bully and abuse. Do you think SW would have trusted him alone with their kids while she was out of town? I find that hard to believe.

But I think she did. She went on the trip and came back and the kids were not on the trip with her.

 

[Herat]

I bought a 400k small, older house north of Frederick/Firestone last year. Yes, housing is expensive in the Dacono Basin, but not crazy like Denver metro or Fort Collins/Loveland. O&G jobs are plentiful but Anadarko wants you to live within 50 miles of the Basin.

The Watt’s house was assessed around 484k. They could’ve sold it easily, within weeks, and just gotten one of the new apartments being built in Frederick, and on up to Johnstown and Greeley. Or an older cheaper apartment. And they could’ve rescued themselves out of extreme debt, which I’m guessing is the case here.

If they were staying together, yes, they could have worked as a team to sell the house, reduce expenses by moving to a smaller place like an apartment, sell the older Mustang in the garage, drop the Lexus.

But if she was leaving, he's saddled with child support as well as the house debt until they can come to na divorce settlement .... Huge financial stress for him now

 

[molly1255]

Someone asked what "he has no game" meant...
means no skills coming on to opposite sex- no social skills.

Urban Dictionary: no game

JMO, but to me it appears he may have gotten his game on recently. He didn't look like much when she married him, but he recently lost weight and it is obvious he has been working out with weights. He is now very buff and he is also meticulously groomed. I wonder if he made all of these efforts for his health, for his wife, or for someone else?

 

[Boodles]

Sorry I respectfully disagree.
Sometimes children vocalize their love for an abusive parent
especially if that abuse was also emotional abuse. Children yearn for love and attention from their parents, even bad love
or bad attention.
What bothered me initially in some photos of these little girls,
is that their eyes were sad but their mouths were smiling almost
like someone told them to smile and they faked a smile.

Also in some photos of the dad CW holding them, the child is
braced AWAY from him in a resistant way.

I believe he did hurt them. It may take time for this to come out
but those are my 'feelings' .

I tend to agree. I wasn’t bowled over by the little girl’s sincerity. It sounded like a song they learned and rehearsed. I know too well the dead eyes and fake grin looks of children from abusive homes. I don’t know if that was the case with this family, but I wasn’t feeling true ‘daddy adoration’ in the video of that sweet child.

 

[PommyMommy]

Well, since I’m in the area, normally I’d go to this vigil for the additional purpose of sleuthing and seeing who is potentially acting suspicious, get the word on the street, etc, but since we know who the perp is, I will refrain from attending bc honestly it is just too darn sad. My heart goes out to these victims and their families.

One of my best friends lives in Frederick and we are getting together this weekend. I wonder if she knew this family. I bet she does. How long did they live in Frederick again? Tia

Ps: If you guys have any specific questions for a local who lives in the neighborhood, let me know and I’ll ask her. LE obviously has this one in the bag, but if there’s something you guys are curious about specifically...

It was reported that they moved to Colorado in 2012. According to the Weld County Assessor's site, the current home was purchased in 2013. Property Report

Would your friend know something about the oil tanks? How he could gain access if they were locked (presumably) and if there is video surveillance of the tanks?

 

[cattlekate]

It is no different then anyone running a small business that is not incorporated or LLC. You are supposed to pay taxes quarterly, you can write off business expenses that would include whatever new inventory you had to purchase that year, internet costs, car leases, gas, airfare if travel is necessary, office space within your home (therefore part of your mortgage payment) if you have a disignated room that is just for your business, food, magazines....and the list goes on.

As far as what forms you use that varies. I sell online so I am sent a 1099 form from the platform which documents the money paid to me less taxes and shipping costs. It is something I can file every four months on my own or what I actually do, file a regular joint tax form with hubby and CPA just itemizes expenses. I pay the penalty for not filing quarterly but not a biggie. It just makes it easier filing jointly come tax time.

So it’s up to the MLM distributor to pay the federal and state income taxes, perhaps quarterly, including Social Security and Medicare? Sounds confusing, almost like one has to have a CPA. Another expense.

 

[scapa]

I see nothing that points to a sociopath here -- a word I think we tend to overuse.

Given the background released so far and the palette of possible precipitating factors -- perilous finances, new pregnancy, longstanding health problems, possible infidelity and/or threats of family separation, and so on, this looks more like a family annihilation to me, minus the suicide of the annihilator. I doubt it was well-planned, or even planned at all, and I see no evidence of ongoing abuse. My guess is that SW came back from her trip with her eyes open and let him know that she wanted out, and he snapped. The cleanup was clumsy, and he was either caught out or confessed PDQ. IMO.

 

[HoldySi]

Im sorry if this offends anyone. I’m having a hard time seeing CW as being a physically or emotionally abusive person. From past experiences I’m usually pretty good at spotting signs. I’m sure I’m the minority here, but I see SW as wearing the pants. If CW was abusive towards SW I highly doubt he would “allow” her to travel the way she does, especially for 6 weeks. I don’t think he would “allow” her to post as much as she did on SM and especially not pics in a bathing suit, I just don’t see it. I have a suspicion that she wanted out and he went off the deep end. I’m in no way, shape or form victim blaming - he is to blame. Is anyone else having the same thoughts as me?

Yes! I'm with you! The whole thing is just driving me crazy..... I'm completely fine with admitting I'm wrong, in fact I'm extremely anxious for more truths to come out in this case. It will be quite a learning experience for me if it's shown/proven that SW and those sweet baby girls were a victim by his hand (prior to the murders). It will also make more sense then, too. Because right now I'm driving myself nuts with needing the "why" part answered, and that just may never come

 

[CARIIS]

Maybe he wants in on the defense.

$$$$$$$

he is being interviewed before the poor kids are gotten out of gas

 

[margarita25]

Psychologically speaking, the reason why this monster killed his family has absolutely NOTHING to do with them at all. It didn't matter how much money they made, or what her job was, or how healthy and beautiful the girls were, or if anyone was having an affair or any of that. The reason he killed his family is 100% about HIM. Sure, he may have his "reasons" why he did it and may use them to justify his actions to others and himself. But the bottom line is that he is a cold blooded, evil, killer. He always has been. He didn't just wake up one day and do this. It has always been inside of himself.

To me, he is a classic case of a man living a fantasy-a true sociopath. They can seem nice, friendly, loving, whatever to make them acceptable to society. But on the inside, they know full well it is an act. They have no soul, no conscience and are simply an actor in the stage of life. They may think that if they portray this image that they will become that person they are portraying. But underneath - no. They know there is nothing inside of them. They know that they are a worthless human being. They know that everything they portray is a lie.

When that lie is about to be bust wide open (see Scott Peterson) they know the jig is up. So what do they do? They don't decide to kill themselves to get out of it. No. They are evil. They don't want to die. That isn't the answer. The answer is to remove what is about to reveal them and in many cases, that is their family.

If a true sociopath killer can get away with it, just think of the benefits! Poor man. His family disappeared one day. His whole family was taken from him. He gets the benefit of being a grieving husband and father just trying to make it out there on his own again. (see Drew Peterson.) No divorce. No name dragged through the mud. No revelation that he wasn't the perfect person he pretended to be. His secret would be safe and he could move on. These people in his life? He never loved them at all. The relationship didn't fall apart. He didn't fall apart. He NEVER loved them. If he had ever loved them he could have never done what he did. Period.

I do wonder for how long he had had thoughts about killing his family. Were they intrusive thoughts that began gradually and increased in frequency and intensity over time? Or did it just hit him one day shortly prior to this? Or did he just snap that day? (I’m realizing that while I know a fair amount about serial killers, pedophiles and mass shooters, etc, I know absolutely nothing about “family annhilators”.)

 

[molly1255]

My guess is it was too physically difficult to also get her into the tank?

What do you guys anticipate will be COD? Hopefully gun and not stabbing. (Awful that a gunshot is even hoped for here). I’m scared he might have stabbed them to death

I'm wondering if perhaps they were either strangled or suffocated? I say this because if police had found blood in the residence, I believe he would have been arrested on Monday.

 

[SuperTmo]

The doll was wrapped and SW said in the comments it was a 3 foot doll. How could two little girls do that so neatly? Wonder if that is what greeted them when they came back to Colorado?

I’m behind and so maybe this has been said but:

No way those girls wrapped that doll that way. The doll is posed to look bigger than it is with its head on a pillow. Really it’s head is on the sofa between the pillows and it seems like something is under the cover. On the photo on DailyMail, it looks IMO like there is a sad face outlined on it under the cover. Maybe DM edited it? Or I need new glasses.

 

[Herat]

So if she was gone for 6 weeks and he had the kids - who was taking care of them while he was working, or even at the gym, the grocery store, etc?

 

[CARIIS]

If he were an abuser he had 6 weeks of pent up frustration with no one in the house to bully and abuse. Do you think SW would have trusted him alone with their kids while she was out of town? I find that hard to believe.

aq month and a half is certainly enough time to trick with someone a couple of times and have an "emotional" conversation - that got out of control

or if he killed the children first then it seems like he was at the place where he thought he would rather be with the new lady and be done with his old life???