Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #28

[Seattle1]

Yes, I always thought it was odd the way TN distanced himself from BM when he referred to him as "the husband" when he did that interview in the beginning. When he was asked about the bike he said something like, "I would encourage you to ask LE any questions about the condition of the bike," or something like that. It was as if he knew there was something strange or not quite right about how or where the bike was found, but he could not reveal it himself. Imo

I recall TN was almost defiant when he made that statement to the reporter -- directing him AND the viewers to contact CCSO. Today, I think TN was reacting to BM's allegation that LE obliterated any potential evidence from the bike when it was recovered. Looking back with what we know today, IMO, it was like TN was putting CCSO on blast.

 

[happyday]

I disagree. I would NEVER take a polygraph, innocent or no. There is a reason they aren't allowed in court. They are unreliable. I will give him a pass on this one thing. Other things, not so much.

Yeah but everybody knows they’re unreliable, especially LE. That’s not what they use them for IMO. They use them to observe responses around the test, not pass/fail exactly. Refusing it is a sure fire way to put yourself on the POI list and take time and resources away from finding the real killer. If I were a detective and a spouse of a missing person who should be absolutely desperate to do anything to find their spouse is refusing a polygraph, I’d be looking at them for sure!

 

[Ninja Bunny]

Yeah but everybody knows they’re unreliable, especially LE. That’s not what they use them for IMO. They use them to observe responses around the test, not pass/fail exactly. Refusing it is a sure fire way to put yourself on the POI list and take time and resources away from finding the real killer. If I were a detective and a spouse of a missing person who should be absolutely desperate to do anything to find their spouse is refusing a polygraph, I’d be looking at them for sure!

Agree. Refusal by itself isn’t an indicator of guilt for me, it’s actually smart. Innocent people have been railroaded by LE and any decent lawyer will tell their client, even the innocent ones, not to take one.

But if someone refuses and there is a lot of other behavior and inconsistencies that point to the person being involved, then I’d consider a refusal as part of a constellation of guilt indicators.

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BM’s construction gear: I’m thinking the “mountain lion” he keeps bringing up is actually his bobcat.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I disagree. I would NEVER take a polygraph, innocent or no. There is a reason they aren't allowed in court. They are unreliable. I will give him a pass on this one thing. Other things, not so much.

I can't give him a pass, he already lied about it.
Or at the very least, he intentionally implied to Suzanne's family that he'd taken one and passed, since that's the impression AM was under.
Then the other story was that he was never asked to take one.
So yeah, him lying about it = no pass.

 

[Seattle1]

Why did it take months and the CBI asking questions, for the Moorman’s to turn on BM? If there was any hint of domestic violence in the past, wouldn’t the family have suspected BM immediately? Any thoughts?

It was only when CBI traveled to IN that the Moorman's learned the truth. BM previously told SM's family that he'd been completely vetted up/down/sideways by LE and was cleared. The trip by CBI was a total awakening for them.

 

[FairIsle]

Does he get a pass for not a)showing his own face or b)using his own voice to find his wife?

Let’s just put the lie detector aside for a moment.

This man will not even show up in ANY capacity for his missing spouse.

It’s like a toddler who learns to play hide n seek, the child covers his own eyes and thinks he is hiding, or hides behind the curtain with feet clearly sticking out.

Barry, we can STILL see you. We are still looking at you.

 

[OldCop]

Yes, I always thought it was odd the way TN distanced himself from BM when he referred to him as "the husband" when he did that interview in the beginning. When he was asked about the bike he said something like, "I would encourage you to ask LE any questions about the condition of the bike," or something like that. It was as if he knew there was something strange or not quite right about how or where the bike was found, but he could not reveal it himself. Imo

My thoughts exactly.

 

[ivegotthemic]

Agree. Refusal by itself isn’t an indicator of guilt for me, it’s actually smart. Innocent people have been railroaded by LE and any decent lawyer will tell their client, even the innocent ones, not to take one.

But if someone refuses and there is a lot of other behavior and inconsistencies that point to the person being involved, then I’d consider a refusal as part of a constellation of guilt indicators.

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BM’s construction gear: I’m thinking the “mountain lion” he keeps bringing up is actually his bobcat.

I respectfully agree to disagree. IME most jurisdictions have approved companies they will work with, and theres no reason BM has to do the test at the station. He absolute has the power to take the test under his terms. For bigger cases my boss used a private company and drafted the questions for the person administering the test. It was enough to imply a willingness to cooperate and helped get better pleas for the client. Refusal to cooperate with LE on every level is very suspicious

That being said I dont care who you are or what happened or even whether you have good intentions, I would never suggest speaking to law enforcement without an attorney present.

also get em @FairIsle

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

I can't give him a pass, he already lied about it.
Or at the very least, he intentionally implied to Suzanne's family that he'd taken one and passed, since that's the impression AM was under.
Then the other story was that he was never asked to take one.
So yeah, him lying about it = no pass.

I would take a lie detector test if my loved one were missing, mainly, because I would be desperate for police to clear me and to immediately widen the circle past me.

Precious time would be wasted by police on trying to clear me IF I were innocent. I would cooperate in any way that I could to find my spouse or loved one.

I believe that Marc Klaas said that he was very afraid to take the LDT when his daughter went missing; however, he took it because he knew that he was innocent and wanted his daughter found.

 

[OldCop]

There were a couple of things AM said that made me wonder if he was mis-remembering (it happens, especially in a highly stressful time like discovering your sister is missing) or if BM actually just lied to him.

The landscape job in CS, instead of Denver, and the 6pm v. the 9pm arrival, and then TN showing up. There's no question BM is actually a liar, since we have him telling TD he's been cleared (lie) and telling family he passed a polygraph (lie), so it's hard to decipher if these are more lies, or if AM got things mixed up.

I think it’s possible he mixed up the time. BM was telling him what happened on the following night after AM flew in to help search for his sister. Maybe BM said that was when LE arrived.
However, I think it would be unusual that he would misremember Colorado Springs instead of Denver. The reason I feel this way is because AM is not from the area. He had just flown into Denver. Why would Colorado Springs pop into his head? MOO

 

[K9Enzo]

I recall TN was almost defiant when he made that statement to the reporter -- directing him AND the viewers to contact CCSO. Today, I think TN was reacting to BM's allegation that LE obliterated any potential evidence from the bike when it was recovered. Looking back with what we know today, IMO, it was like TN was putting CCSO on blast.

That's how I took his (TN) statement way back then - giving the stink eye to LE.

IMO, it's possible LE did not treat the bike and surrounding environment as a potential crime scene immediately. They could have expected to find a injured SM, get her patched up and back home. Emergency over. Most overdue bikers & hikers don't result in a criminal investigation. IMO There's usually a reasonable explanation as to why they didn't return as expected (injured, lost, weather, miscommunication...).

We know of course now, rather quickly, gears shifted and this became a criminal investigation.

IMO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Edited by me for an oops.

Does he get a pass for not a)showing his own face or b)using his own voice to find his wife?

Let’s just put the lie detector aside for a moment.

This man will not even show up in ANY capacity for his missing spouse.

It’s like a toddler who learns to play hide n seek, the child covers his own eyes and thinks he is hiding, or hides behind the curtain with feet clearly sticking out.

Barry, we can STILL see you. We are still looking at you.

Your analogy is spot on!

 

[Seattle1]

When the nephew TN was interviewed by phone on television news (were there two interviews?), I recall him answering a direct question about the family searches, and whether or not they wanted help from the public. His answer was interesting and has stuck with me.

I have searched, including on the media thread, and I can’t find the full, unedited footage. If anyone has a copy and could put me out of my misery, I’d be most grateful!

eta fixed typo

May 15 - audio only with nephew TN and the search efforts by team BM:

CO - CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 , MEDIA,MAPS,TIMELINE *NO DISCUSSION*

 

[DizzyB]

TN’s distancing was one of the first hinky things for me. Then came the 26 second video on FB. Next up was no coordination between LE and the family.

 

[Fireflize]

May 15 - audio only with nephew TN and the search efforts by team BM:

CO - CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 , MEDIA,MAPS,TIMELINE *NO DISCUSSION*

Thx Seattle, relistening to this, I'm reminded for how dedicated and involved he was in the beginning. Something major happened to change his attitude. I don't think all of the Morphews support BM's innocence at this point, but that just me. Moo

 

[Hatch]

I disagree. I would NEVER take a polygraph, innocent or no. There is a reason they aren't allowed in court. They are unreliable. I will give him a pass on this one thing. Other things, not so much.

I took one years ago to be bonded to work in a retail setting that was 1973 not sure a company could present day use that as a tool for hiring. No test No job back then . I did pass .

 

[LietKynes]

Thx Seattle, relistening to this, I'm reminded for how dedicated and involved he was in the beginning. Something major happened to change his attitude. I don't think all of the Morphews support BM's innocence at this point, but that just me. Moo

bbm
Except maybe his mother ?
MOO
Speculation :
I do wonder what she thought she was doing with BM the day of TD's video ?
Did she think she was helping to look for Suzanne ?
What has BM told her ?

 

[Poedelini]

TN’s distancing was one of the first hinky things for me. Then came the 26 second video on FB. Next up was no coordination between LE and the family.

And the big silence on the find Suzanne Morphew page on facebook.

 

[Hair of the Dog]

Hmmmmmmm. This is a very interesting line of thought. DocuSigning RE documents is commonplace now especially from long distance. It absolutely can be forged. I agree that it would be interesting to know if the agent ever actually spoke to Suzanne.

I think the intent to sell the property is evidenced by the amount of time it was on the market. I think any disagreement may have revolved around what was to be done with the proceeds of the sale.

 

[Seattle1]

On the PE tape with Andy Mormon he is talking about the neighbor and her checking the house and then going back to check for the bike. She tells BM that the bike is not there and BM says she must have gone on a bike ride. Andy then says at 8:44 that “around then Trevor or one of the kids showed up and they called the police and said, “Hey, we’ve got someone missing” .
Trevor lives about 2 hours and 15 minutes away from Salida. What was he doing there at this time?

^^sbm

I think AM simply made a mistake here because we know that both the girls nor TN were in the Salida area around 6pm on Sunday, May 10. Police confirmed the missing report was called in to 911 at 5:47pm by a neighbor. After dispatch received the 911 call, Police were sent to the neighbor located in Maysville where they took the report.

No, there's no evidence TN was near Salida on Mother's Day.