Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #31

[Error505]

I don’t think this has been posted yet. PE guys were on Court TV today.

9/3/20 Brother of Missing Colorado Woman Organizes Search - Court TV

EXCELLENT POST! More national spotlight for Suzanne! And @ProfilingEvil Great video!

 

[ajaylee]

I think the names have been out there on Social Media. LS and PE probably see it way before we do because we are not allowed to discuss it.

I would bet BM is just seething because AM is going to be coming with his search party. He is probably wishing they would just stay home. It must be intimidating for him..perhaps he thinks they are all picking on him.

I wish they were getting there even sooner and I hope the weather holds for them.

I wonder if either or both of SM's daughters will take part in the search.

 

[Lilypad13]

He's a good fit with a particular personality disorder characterized by narcissism, fragile ego, sociopathy and I think we can add psychopathy here.
In my past and recent life I was involved with sadistic rapists, murderers, serious serial offenders, and pedophiles (both those who did or didn't murder their victims). In my personal life, my narcissism-detecting antennae play a huge role in who I choose to be friends with. One of my close girlfriends is married to a raging narcissist. She is too in love with him to see it. I can hardly bear to be in the same room as him, but I love my friend and she comes first, so I tolerate him without making any issue of it.
I want to be there for my girlfriend when everything falls apart, and it will- spectacularly.

Those of us standing on the periphery often see the bigger picture and the warning signs, which I suspect is what happened with Suzanne and her family. She loved BM and was likely blind to his more worrying traits, perhaps until very recently when things started to unravel.
It's impossible to reconcile how someone seemingly so devoted to her family, beloved by many others, and with a caring and thoughtful approach towards all could meet with such a vile end.
But be assured, BM will have already justified in his own mind the need for him to silence his wife forever. He may never admit it to anyone in confidence (we'll not hear why because that justification doesn't exist in the real world) but it's already there in his mind. He's defiant, and I find that particularly alarming, for reasons I don't want to get into here.
If what we are seeing in public is typical of his behavior in private then I am concerned about what he might be capable of. It's not uncommon for narcissists who have committed heinous crimes to take their own lives rather than face a lifetime in jail. I've known this happen after all their avenues (e.g. appeals) have been exhausted. They prefer to take their secrets to the grave, rather than give grieving family and friends any kind of explanation or genuine show of remorse. It's their final act of selfishness and is intended as such.
MOO

Just WOW! Just catching up and what an amazing and eye opening post @Dr.StClements. I can’t even imagine having your job. But it’s good to know that those of us without your background were on the right track with some of the personality disorders we were wondering about with BM. I agree that he seems defiant and there is a risk of BM taking his own life. Final act of selfishness and not wanting to have to face what he did and be judged by others for it. He is above all that and jail would be worse than death for him.

I would really like your opinion on whether you think he is capable of or would actually harm his girls? I know you have raised concerns before about the daughters welfare and mental well being but do you really think BM would hurt them? Could this turn into an even bigger tragedy than it already is? Remember Josh Powell? I never saw that coming! Especially if the girls do contact their Grandpa and BM feels they are betraying him. You said he has justified and rationalized killing Suzanne in his mind so what if he has some twisted thought that they should all be together with Suzanne? I doubt he would say that out loud either.

Up until now I didn’t really think he would actually harm his daughters (physically). But now I am seriously worried they are in danger. Do you think if LE was going to arrest BM they would secure and protect the daughters before it happened? I feel so bad for them. One is a young adult trying to figure out what she wants to do with her life and future. The other daughter is either a senior in HS or freshman in college not sure but that is such a special time in your life and without your Mom to help you get ready for college because she is missing? And your Dad might be the one who disappeared her? And your Dad is asking you to believe him and telling you LE is setting him up. He is all they have now and he probably pays for their education too so they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. The wonderful memories and life events that occur during these years are ruined forever. SELFISH!

Also I am curious what you think about BM’s relationship to his mother. Are narcissists created or is it something that has gone wrong with their brain function or chemistry? Could his mom be at risk of being harmed too? Would his mom be able to tell he is lying? Doesn’t she know him best or could he fool her too? If narcissists have no empathy can they truly love someone? Do you think BM actually ever truly loved Suzanne? What about his own children? Does he love his mother? Or can he only love himself? TIA for taking these questions but this is fascinating stuff and I’m sure there are many OP who are also interested in the psychology and psychopathy of murder.

And I hope your girlfriend will be okay. I’m sure you must worry about her. That’s a tough position to be in. She is lucky to have a friend like you! IMO

Edited to add more of those pesky paragraphs ya’ll like so much.

 

[Error505]

Oh no jinx! Posted the same thing about JP saying foul play or aliens before I read yours. I gotta love a man who even thinks about aliens!

Aliens sounds more credible than the bobcat, imho. Lol.

 

[oviedo]

Just WOW! Just catching up and what an amazing and eye opening post @Dr.StClements. I can’t even imagine having your job. But it’s good to know that those of us without your background were on the right track with some of the personality disorders we were wondering about with BM. I agree that he seems defiant and there is a risk of BM taking his own life. Final act of selfishness and not wanting to have to face what he did and be judged by others for it. He is above all that and jail would be worse than death for him.

I would really like your opinion on whether you think he is capable of or would actually harm his girls? I know you have raised concerns before about the daughters welfare and mental well being but do you really think BM would hurt them? Let me be blunt...do you think he would kill them and then himself based on some twisted rationalization in his mind like: ‘Suzanne would want us to be all together as a family’ or ‘You made me kill you Suzanne and you wouldn’t go away quietly so now you are forcing me to punish you’ or ‘If you want to turn on me then I’ll turn on you’ ??? Sorry I’m trying to think like a narcissist here because like you were saying he justified in his own mind why he killed Suzanne so could he justify killing his own children?

Could this turn into an even bigger tragedy than it already is? Remember Josh Powell? I never saw that coming! Especially if the girls do contact their Grandpa and BM feels they are betraying him.

Up until now I didn’t really think he would actually harm his daughters (physically). But now I am seriously worried they are in danger. Do you think if LE was going to arrest BM they would secure and protect the daughters before it happened? I feel so bad for them. One is a young adult trying to figure out what she wants to do with her life and future. The other daughter is either a senior in HS or freshman in college not sure but that is such a special time in your life and without your Mom to help you get ready for college because she is missing? And your Dad might be the one who disappeared her? And your Dad is asking you to believe him and telling you LE is setting him up. He is all they have now and he probably pays for their education too so they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. The wonderful memories and life events that occur during these years are ruined forever. SELFISH!

Also I am curious what you think about BM’s relationship to his mother. Are narcissists created or is it something that has gone wrong with their brain function or chemistry? Could his mom be at risk of being harmed too? Would his mom be able to tell he is lying? Doesn’t she know him best or could he fool her too? If narcissists have no empathy can they truly love someone? Do you think BM actually ever truly loved Suzanne? What about his own children? Does he love his mother? Or can he only love himself? TIA for taking these questions but this is fascinating stuff and I’m sure there are many OP who are also interested in the psychology and psychopathy of murder.

And I hope your girlfriend will be okay. I’m sure you must worry about her. That’s a tough position to be in. She is lucky to have a friend like you! IMO

Edited to add more of those pesky paragraphs ya’ll like so much.

please let this not be a Josh Powell situation....
JMO

 

[MassGuy]

I sent Lauren a message last night to ask if Barry gave her a more specific timeline of what he did that Mother’s Day. She said she’s working on the timeline aspect for a story next week.

 

[K9Enzo]

I wonder if either or both of SM's daughters will take part in the search.

I honestly hope not. It's one thing to be motivated to search for a missing loved one but think of the mental & emotional part of that and what you're actually doing, then if by chance, you do come across those remains. That would be terrible and yes they would be found. I always feel for the pro's but especially the unsuspecting person who happens to be fixing fencing on their property, a hunter or hiker that come across a deceased person.

Does anyone remember the case discussed here (think last year) where the young man (maybe 18-19 years old) brother went missing after walking away on foot in a vast wooded area? Official searches did not find his remains but this kid, his young brother, kept searching and actually found his remains months later. Wow. He participated in the thread on his brother. I believe it was ruled a suicide. IMO

ETA: found the thread.

Found Deceased - CO - Kevin Rudnicki, 20, hiker, Mount Herman, Pike National Forest, 3 Sep 2018

 

[Knox]

If she wants to talk, she absolutely can. It’s always optional to talk to LE though.

They aren't speaking to Suzanne's family, which IMO is due to BM. I would find it difficult to believe they weren't interviewed by LE, at least initially.
I think LE has to have permission to speak to a minor, so I'm sure BM has locked that down with the youngest.

 

[Lilypad13]

Aliens sounds more credible than the bobcat, imho. Lol.

Yep they could have beamed her up off the bike without a trace! Maybe Barry should have hired aliens.

 

[LietKynes]

I wonder if either or both of SM's daughters will take part in the search.

I'd like to think so.
If they're allowed to join in ?
Imo.

Just WOW! Just catching up and what an amazing and eye opening post @Dr.StClements. I can’t even imagine having your job. But it’s good to know that those of us without your background were on the right track with some of the personality disorders we were wondering about with BM.
I agree that he seems defiant and there is a risk of BM taking his own life. Final act of selfishness and not wanting to have to face what he did and be judged by others for it. He is above all that and jail would be worse than death for him.

I would really like your opinion on whether you think he is capable of or would actually harm his girls? I know you have raised concerns before about the daughters welfare and mental well being but do you really think BM would hurt them? Could this turn into an even bigger tragedy than it already is? Remember Josh Powell? I never saw that coming!

Especially if the girls do contact their Grandpa and BM feels they are betraying him. You said he has justified and rationalized killing Suzanne in his mind so what if he has some twisted thought that they should all be together with Suzanne? I doubt he would say that out loud either.

Up until now I didn’t really think he would actually harm his daughters (physically). But now I am seriously worried they are in danger. Do you think if LE was going to arrest BM they would secure and protect the daughters before it happened? I feel so bad for them.
One is a young adult trying to figure out what she wants to do with her life and future. The other daughter is either a senior in HS or freshman in college not sure but that is such a special time in your life and without your Mom to help you get ready for college because she is missing?
And your Dad might be the one who disappeared her? And your Dad is asking you to believe him and telling you LE is setting him up. He is all they have now and he probably pays for their education too so they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. The wonderful memories and life events that occur during these years are ruined forever. SELFISH!

Also I am curious what you think about BM’s relationship to his mother. Are narcissists created or is it something that has gone wrong with their brain function or chemistry? Could his mom be at risk of being harmed too? Would his mom be able to tell he is lying?
Doesn’t she know him best or could he fool her too? If narcissists have no empathy can they truly love someone? Do you think BM actually ever truly loved Suzanne? What about his own children? Does he love his mother?
Or can he only love himself? TIA for taking these questions but this is fascinating stuff and I’m sure there are many OP who are also interested in the psychology and psychopathy of murder.

And I hope your girlfriend will be okay. I’m sure you must worry about her. That’s a tough position to be in. She is lucky to have a friend like you! IMO

Edited to add more of those pesky paragraphs ya’ll like so much.

Great post. ^^^
I admit I'm worried for those daughters.
Josh Powells' final acts took me by surprise as well.
If someone feels the walls closing in....

 

[happyday]

Bottom of the ninth...

Yes that’s always what I thought that tweet was about.

“vs ?” Time to pick a side....

 

[MassGuy]

They aren't speaking to Suzanne's family, which IMO is due to BM. I would find it difficult to believe they weren't interviewed by LE, at least initially.
I think LE has to have permission to speak to a minor, so I'm sure BM has locked that down with the youngest.

Yeah, I’m sure there was an informal interview done when they arrived on scene.

It seems that BM realized he was a suspect early on, based on his refusal to make a media plea, the sheriff’s comment about his hope that BM would “continue to be cooperative,” and the fact that LE didn’t seem to buy an abduction.

So if LE spoke to the daughters formally, it would probably need to have occurred in those early hours and days. After that, he may have refused to allow the younger one to talk, and told the older one that “LE is after me,” or something.

 

[Knox]

Depending on the cost of the equipment, they could be named under an inland marine policy. Yes, it sounds ridiculous to be classified as “marine” coverage, but that’s the coverage. Big stuff requires serial #s etc. I also did wonder if the insurance doc in the trash was proof of GL coverage for the wall job (required). But Jeff would know about that stuff, I think.
Inland Marine Coverage | Insurance Glossary Definition | IRMI.com

Good point, our Inland Marine coverage is combined with our Property Policy. He absolutely would have been required to add the State or County as an additional insured and provide proof of all his liability insurance coverage including workman's comp. Maybe the paper was a COI?

Jeff likely would not be familiar with the documentation, JMO.

 

[DizzyB]

I wonder if either or both of SM's daughters will take part in the search.

I hope not as well. I watched one of those Dateline or whatever True Crime shows with actual footage, family participated in search and their loved one was found, right on camera, for all of us to see. That should be a private moment. I think Andy is there in his head and as hard as it may be, his mission is to be there for that.

 

[LietKynes]

I honestly hope not. It's one thing to be motivated to search for a missing loved one but think of the mental & emotional part of that and what you're actually doing, then if by chance, you do come across those remains. That would be terrible and yes they would be found. I always feel for the pro's but especially the unsuspecting person who happens to be fixing fencing on their property, a hunter or hiker that come across a deceased person.

Does anyone remember the case discussed here (think last year) where the young man (maybe 18-19 years old) brother went missing after walking away on foot in a vast wooded area? Official searches did not find his remains but this kid, his young brother, kept searching and actually found his remains months later. Wow. He participated in the thread on his brother. I believe it was ruled a suicide. IMO

ETA: found the thread.

Found Deceased - CO - Kevin Rudnicki, 20, hiker, Mount Herman, Pike National Forest, 3 Sep 2018

Agreed, I understand what you're saying.

For my own part, if it was my spouse or child --you couldn't stop me.
I'd search until I dropped.

 

[enelram]

I so totally agree! BM's subconscious mind has been blurting out clues this whole time -- Bobcat, up, SM had "a run-in with someone who knows her well," "it's too soon."

yes, agree and so are all the other players!!

If someone would do up a whiteboard with all the clues we've been given, we'd probably see
the patterns to identify most of the story here-
except for filling in a few blanks like:

What was manner and cause of death?
Where did the crime take place?

We're getting close though.


anyone want to do a clue board to put it

together? Volunteer wanted!!

I've seen this done on real crime TV shows and
when they have a meeting of all the investigators they all discuss the board and throw out ideas.
It's amazing how this organizes our thoughts.

 

[Knox]

I think the daughters did speak to LE, especially in the beginning stages of this search. It's just routine, especially in the beginning stages of a missing person case. Now, if they continued as the months went on, hard to say. These questions from investigators, IMO, would have been more uncomfortable, more directed at perhaps BM. That would be tough and confusing for sure.

I might be odd one out on this one but I'm not a fan of PE calling them out, whether it's the oldest because of the G*M funds and an attempt to have them allocated for SM brother's search or saying recently they might have important info for LE. While they are not 12 year olds, they are, IMO, very young. Leave them alone and let LE work that. I don't think they will feel compelled, by unknowns to them, that have a show. Again, just my opinion.

I agree, I thought that was in poor taste. They also have no idea how much of the money remains, so if there isn't much. That puts MM in an awkward position entirely not of her own doing.

 

[kkdj]

I wonder if either or both of SM's daughters will take part in the search.

Honestly, that would be awful if either one of them were to come across any remains. As a grown daughter of a missing parent, I would want to take part in the search. As a parent of my children I wouldn't want them to search for fear of them finding remains. Make sense?
I expect both daughters are in a lot of pain and confusion, if not downright scared. As a parent, my focus would be on protecting them as much as I could.

 

[happyday]

I think the daughters did speak to LE, especially in the beginning stages of this search. It's just routine, especially in the beginning stages of a missing person case. Now, if they continued as the months went on, hard to say. These questions from investigators, IMO, would have been more uncomfortable, more directed at perhaps BM. That would be tough and confusing for sure.

I might be odd one out on this one but I'm not a fan of PE calling them out, whether it's the oldest because of the G*M funds and an attempt to have them allocated for SM brother's search or saying recently they might have important info for LE. While they are not 12 year olds, they are, IMO, very young. Leave them alone and let LE work that. I don't think they will feel compelled, by unknowns to them, that have a show. Again, just my opinion.

I completely agree with you. I mean they didn’t say much about them, but I think there’s no reason to put public pressure on them, however subtle.

 

[DizzyB]

Good point, our Inland Marine coverage is combined with our Property Policy. He absolutely would have been required to add the State or County as an additional insured and provide proof of all his liability insurance coverage including workman's comp. Maybe the paper was a COI?

Jeff likely would not be familiar with the documentation, JMO.

It was said that Jeff was a sub, so he would require insurance as well. If not, this would be the first time that Barry hired him as a worker. I’m going down the rabbithole 0f 1099s and worker’s comp and hold harmless agreements. This job was not simply planting shrubs in someone’s backyard. Barry would be stupid to not have the proper coverage and contracts in place. Def would have need a COI or they would have closed it down.