Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #33

[swedeheart]

If, on Saturday she realized her life was in danger and she ran out of the house and was attacked outside the house so there was no crime scene inside to clean up then the house would have to be staged to support his alibi. He said he last saw her at 5 am the next day in bed.
The house would have to show signs that she had been there overnight and the next day until the "bike ride"
The details to do that kind of accurate staging to be convincing are huge. Was her toothbrush damp, was the bar of soap wet, was the bath mat damp? Was there evidence of dinner, breakfast and lunch having been eaten? Had she put a load of laundry in
There are so many minute details that LE could look for to determine that she had been there overnight. I wonder if they did.

also, were her bike clothes missing? what about her bike shoes? were there pajamas missing? slippers missing? or were there every day street clothes/shoes missing? was her favorite sweater there? were her favorite shoes she wore on most days there? OR was nothing missing at all? all of these items could determine what SM was or was not wearing, and could certainly mess up the official story by BM. unless she was completely nude when she left that house, some articles of clothing/footwear should be missing.

i also heard about the websleuths fund for food on choir practice. is that just the G*M for andy? or is it a separate fundraiser? (the link someone posted, a page or 2 back, didn't work for me).

eta: where is suzanne's ring? if what we are learning about BM is true, he would never just throw that ring away. it was too valuable to get rid of. i wonder if that's what they were looking for in the second search, after having some time to talk to friends and family and learn more about BM's character.

 

[ivegotthemic]

Can't sleep .... Interesting study...

Some highlights:

The relationship of narcissism with tendency to react with anger and hostility: The roles of neuroticism and emotion regulation ability

- The results indicated that vulnerable narcissism was associated with a higher tendency toward anger and hostility.

- Vulnerable narcissism is rooted in a brittle sense of self, associated with low self-esteem and reflects defensiveness and insecurity. It involves feelings of inadequacy, incompetence, and negative affect.

- Further supported that the narcissistic rage concept ( explosive mix of anger and hostility), which suggests that among the two forms of narcissism, only the vulnerable one is related to chronic anger, distrust, and hostility, which constitute the core aspects of narcissistic rage.

- Vulnerable narcissists were highly neurotic (tendency toward anxiety, depression, self-doubt, and other negative feelings) and grandiose narcissists were relatively emotionally stable.

- It is possible that vulnerable narcissists are more sensitive to stimuli that evoke negative emotions, more reactive to stressors, and less efficient at coping with stress. Thus, overwhelmed by negative affect, vulnerable narcissists may be prone to experiencing increased levels of frustration, anger, dejection, and negative evaluations of self and others (hostility) and shame.

Source: The relationship of narcissism with tendency to react with anger and hostility: The roles of neuroticism and emotion regulation ability

MY PEOPLE. I literally thought I was the only weirdo who did read random homicide studies/journal articles out of interest.

The tyrant subcategory of men who commit spousal homicide:

- These men murdered their intimate partner following an ongoing confrontation with her, which gradually escalated until they decided to kill her as a way to beat her. These couples were married for years and have mutual children, yet their relationships were characterized from the beginning with asymmetry and exclusive control by the man.

- The men believe their spouse supposed to serve him and satisfy all his needs, the man on his part felt a low commitment
to her and used psychological, emotional, physical, and sexual violence toward her to control her

https://www.researchgate.net/profil...red-their-female-intimate-partner-Interna.pdf

I love a good study @NoSI so feel free to inbox me if you find any interesting studies, i love to learn!

I assume professional studies are okay to share, if not please delete (apologies if so) and let me know so I dont make the same mistake.

 

[Skigh]

I'm thinking cameras will show BM left the home somewhere around 5 a.m. That's why he's saying he last saw SM at that hour.
The big question is, did he take her with him when he left that morning or had he already taken care of things thru the night.

I have wondered whether 5 am was the time BM,did actually last 'see' Suzanne as it was the time he buried her.

 

[Lyanna]

I have wondered whether 5 am was the time BM,did actually last 'see' Suzanne as it was the time he buried her.

I have gotten myself quite confused about this - so BM states that he last saw SM 5am Mother's Day, but JP (are those the right initials?) says that BM slept 'on' the bed of the hotel room that he took over from him and had already left to go back to Maysville as there was a 'family emergency' ( please correct me if I have that wrong) for me that implies that BM slept at the hotel on the saturday night - so how could he have seen SM at 5am Mother's Day when he was snoozing 'on' a bed in a room stinking of chlorine? - Have I misunderstood something somewhere along the way or has BM just actually blown his own alibi apart?

 

[lamlawindy]

@max99 said:
with all due respect, that doesn't make sense. How are they (police) not able to get probable cause on vehicles where a person has gone missing? "they" were able to get two search warrants on the house...not the cars?

As @ivegotthemic observed, there has been no evidence showing that the vehicles were used as weapons against Suzanne or to transport Suzanne anywhere. Indeed, per the
account from the Profiling Evil host, the vehicles were parked at the house when the neighbor went to the Morphew property after being phoned by Barry; this would tend to show that the vehicles were not used that morning. Remember, investigators must have probable cause* to believe that the location(s) to be searched contain evidence of criminal activity.

@max99 said:
I would think everything is open in a missing person case...I would hope my attorney or family member would fight to include.

The search for a missing person must yield to state & federal constitutional rights. The balance struck by the U.S. Constitution in the 1780s prohibited "general searches" like the ones the British would conduct prior to the War of Independence.

Now, you are right to bring up an attorney and/or family members: While they have no legal standing in the U.S. to request a search warrant themselves, they can exercise their First Amendment rights of speech & of petition to officeholders to attempt to influence the same. In fact, I think that fora like WS & YouTube are powerful methods of keeping focus on unsolved cases & keeping victims from being relegated to history.

* Probable cause has a slippery definition, but -- in general -- "the court must consider whether based on the totality of the information there is a fair probability that contraband, evidence or a person will be found in a particular place." Illinois v. Gates, 462 U.S. 213 (1983).

 

[Rosiebones]

I have gotten myself quite confused about this - so BM states that he last saw SM 5am Mother's Day, but JP (are those the right initials?) says that BM slept 'on' the bed of the hotel room that he took over from him and had already left to go back to Maysville as there was a 'family emergency' ( please correct me if I have that wrong) for me that implies that BM slept at the hotel on the saturday night - so how could he have seen SM at 5am Mother's Day when he was snoozing 'on' a bed in a room stinking of chlorine? - Have I misunderstood something somewhere along the way or has BM just actually blown his own alibi apart?

He also could have arrived at the motel early Sunday morning after "seeing SM sleeping at 5 am" checked in and laid down on the bed and messed it up. He didn't necessarily have to sleep in it. It seems to me that the motel would have his check in on video at some time. I'm with you, it is hard to make sense of the time line from 12:30 Saturday til SM arrived back late Sunday afternoon.

 

[ivegotthemic]

@max99 said:
with all due respect, that doesn't make sense. How are they (police) not able to get probable cause on vehicles where a person has gone missing? "they" were able to get two search warrants on the house...not the cars?

As @ivegotthemic observed, there has been no evidence showing that the vehicles were used as weapons against Suzanne or to transport Suzanne anywhere. Indeed, per the
account from the Profiling Evil host, the vehicles were parked at the house when the neighbor went to the Morphew property after being phoned by Barry; this would tend to show that the vehicles were not used that morning. Remember, investigators must have probable cause* to believe that the location(s) to be searched contain evidence of criminal activity.

@max99 said:
I would think everything is open in a missing person case...I would hope my attorney or family member would fight to include.

The search for a missing person must yield to state & federal constitutional rights. The balance struck by the U.S. Constitution in the 1780s prohibited "general searches" like the ones the British would conduct prior to the War of Independence.

Now, you are right to bring up an attorney and/or family members: While they have no legal standing in the U.S. to request a search warrant themselves, they can exercise their First Amendment rights of speech & of petition to officeholders to attempt to influence the same. In fact, I think that fora like WS & YouTube are powerful methods of keeping focus on unsolved cases & keeping victims from being relegated to history.

* Probable cause has a slippery definition, but -- in general -- "the court must consider whether based on the totality of the information there is a fair probability that contraband, evidence or a person will be found in a particular place." Illinois v. Gates, 462 U.S. 213 (1983).

Thank you for clarifying, I realized after I asked about probable cause last night that one of the trucks was initially searched. For some reason I had thought none were and I was thinking that was odd, but nothing odd there. I may have already presumed the bike is a red herring despite the lack of information released by LE. I fully admit patience is no one of my virtues. In my mind theres already been a very convincing trial and sentence handed down but sadly it only holds up in my mind and not in the real world

 

[Lyanna]

He also could have arrived at the motel early Sunday morning after "seeing SM sleeping at 5 am" checked in and laid down on the bed and messed it up. He didn't necessarily have to sleep in it. It seems to me that the motel would have his check in on video at some time. I'm with you, it is hard to make sense of the time line from 12:30 Saturday til SM arrived back late Sunday afternoon.

I didn't think of him checking into the hotel in the morning - I assumed that it would have been in the afternoon/evening day before. Maybe things have been different with hotels during Covid-19 - but that makes me not understand why BM would use a hotel, I had thought that SM may have been an individual that fell into the 'higher risk' category when it comes to Covid-19 due to her previous illness, I figured she may have been immuno compromised - so why would he put her at risk of ill health by checking into a hotel?

jmo

 

[Skigh]

He also could have arrived at the motel early Sunday morning after "seeing SM sleeping at 5 am" checked in and laid down on the bed and messed it up. He didn't necessarily have to sleep in it. It seems to me that the motel would have his check in on video at some time. I'm with you, it is hard to make sense of the time line from 12:30 Saturday til SM arrived back late Sunday afternoon.

Agree that BM could have arrived anytime on Sunday morning,cleaned something with Chlorine and had a nap on the bed.
Perhaps he did not mean to go to sleep and then was in a rush to leave.
Hopefully,when Lauren interviews the employee later this week,we will have a clearer idea about the hotel timeline.

 

[kkdj]

I have gotten myself quite confused about this - so BM states that he last saw SM 5am Mother's Day, but JP (are those the right initials?) says that BM slept 'on' the bed of the hotel room that he took over from him and had already left to go back to Maysville as there was a 'family emergency' ( please correct me if I have that wrong) for me that implies that BM slept at the hotel on the saturday night - so how could he have seen SM at 5am Mother's Day when he was snoozing 'on' a bed in a room stinking of chlorine? - Have I misunderstood something somewhere along the way or has BM just actually blown his own alibi apart?

I get what you’re saying. It seems conflictive.
how about Barry rented the room Saturday night but didn’t get there until Sunday morning (because he was busy all through the night) and just crashed on top of the bed for a bit when he got there. idk. Trying to make some sense out of the conflicting stories.

 

[Rosiebones]

I didn't think of him checking into the hotel in the morning - I assumed that it would have been in the afternoon/evening day before. Maybe things have been different with hotels during Covid-19 - but that makes me not understand why BM would use a hotel, I had thought that SM may have been an individual that I guefell into the 'higher risk' category when it comes to Covid-19 due to her previous illness, I figured she may have been immuno compromised - so why would he put her at risk of ill health by checking into a hotel?

jmo

I guess her vulnerability to Covid wouldn't have come to his mind first if he had killed her or intended to kill her. In fact, it doesn't seem that he was curtailing his activities etc. with her medical history in mind.

 

[kkdj]

The tools BM said he brought to the hotel room. What were they? Is that what he was using chlorine for? Where are they now? Because didn't his worker say there were no tools left in the room?
Had BM drawn a bath? Did he put chlorine/bleach in the bath to clean tools? Drying them might account for all the damp towels.
Did he not leave them for the worker because he was unsure if there was still evidence on them?

 

[Rosiebones]

I wonder if he realizes now that he shouldn't have said he saw her at 5 am Sunday morning. That sure messed up the timeline and made more detailed work for him. MOO MOO MOO

 

[Skigh]

I wonder if he realizes now that he shouldn't have said he saw her at 5 am Sunday morning. That sure messed up the timeline and made more detailed work for him. MOO MOO MOO

Perhaps he was trying to stick to the truth as he did not expect his story of the bike ride not to be immediately not believed and thought LE would be supporting good old BM the brave firefighter so taking a lie detector test would not be a problem as no awkward questions would be asked.

 

[Lyanna]

DBM - posted without finishing the post

 

[Hoosierfan72]

Can't sleep .... Interesting study...

Some highlights:

The relationship of narcissism with tendency to react with anger and hostility: The roles of neuroticism and emotion regulation ability

- The results indicated that vulnerable narcissism was associated with a higher tendency toward anger and hostility.

- Vulnerable narcissism is rooted in a brittle sense of self, associated with low self-esteem and reflects defensiveness and insecurity. It involves feelings of inadequacy, incompetence, and negative affect.

- Further supported that the narcissistic rage concept ( explosive mix of anger and hostility), which suggests that among the two forms of narcissism, only the vulnerable one is related to chronic anger, distrust, and hostility, which constitute the core aspects of narcissistic rage.

- Vulnerable narcissists were highly neurotic (tendency toward anxiety, depression, self-doubt, and other negative feelings) and grandiose narcissists were relatively emotionally stable.

- It is possible that vulnerable narcissists are more sensitive to stimuli that evoke negative emotions, more reactive to stressors, and less efficient at coping with stress. Thus, overwhelmed by negative affect, vulnerable narcissists may be prone to experiencing increased levels of frustration, anger, dejection, and negative evaluations of self and others (hostility) and shame.

Source: The relationship of narcissism with tendency to react with anger and hostility: The roles of neuroticism and emotion regulation ability

This is insightful, thanks for sharing. As someone who was once married to someone with many narcissistic traits, I can say I find this to be accurate. Divorce was especially ugly, MOO.

 

[Lyanna]

I have gotten myself quite confused about this - so BM states that he last saw SM 5am Mother's Day, but JP (are those the right initials?) says that BM slept 'on' the bed of the hotel room that he took over from him and had already left to go back to Maysville as there was a 'family emergency' ( please correct me if I have that wrong) for me that implies that BM slept at the hotel on the saturday night - so how could he have seen SM at 5am Mother's Day when he was snoozing 'on' a bed in a room stinking of chlorine? - Have I misunderstood something somewhere along the way or has BM just actually blown his own alibi apart?

I wanted to edit this but I can't - I wanted to amend the sentence BM slept 'on' to laid 'on' - sorry if I have caused confusion/offence to anyone by not using the correct word.

 

[ivegotthemic]

This is insightful, thanks for sharing. As someone who was once married to someone with many narcissistic traits, I can say I find this to be accurate. Divorce was especially ugly, MOO.

I honestly feel for you. Narcs are the worst when their angry. I cant even imagine what you had to deal with during the divorce or how much angrier or more devious it probably got. IMO "narcissists are more sensitive to stimuli that evoke negative emotions, more reactive to stressors, and less efficient at coping with stress." rings especially true. The universe at minimum owes you some kind of you survived divorce edible arrangement or something much better.

I have to hold out hope that karma will weight out the balances for people like this. BM will get the judgement he deserves

 

[jaxhellokitty]

Well Josh Powell had a whole community looking at him and a court appointed supervisor for his supervised visitation with his kids, but he was able to chop of their heads with an axe and blow up the house with the court appointed advocate in the driveway. I pray there is more attention being paid here than there was there.

I have always wondered why the supervised visit wasn't in a neutral location. The kids will still be alive if the visit wasn't at his home. So very sad for the Cox family.

 

[Rosiebones]

I wanted to edit this but I can't - I wanted to amend the sentence BM slept 'on' to laid 'on' - sorry if I have caused confusion/offence to anyone by not using the correct word.

I am confused too but not offended, lol