Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #50

[kittythehare]

I'm on the fence about premeditation in this case.

When BM told MG at the beach site he had to go home to make the wife happy, I've assumed he went home and planned to murder Suzanne. My theory is there was an argument about money, but he also found out about DV meetings Suzanne was attending and more than likely he was humiliated. It was at that time, I feel he killed her in the house.

Does the fact that he told MG he was going home fall under premeditation? If it does, I'm off the fence.

JMO

Do you mean the Saturday?
Did they not meet for a sandwich in the town?

 

[MassGuy]

Do you mean the Saturday?
Did they not meet for a sandwich in the town?

Andy did say on Dr. Phil, that Suzanne and Barry were spotted in town getting sandwiches at around 4pm on Saturday.

That formed at least part of his reasoning for his theory that she was murdered in the hours after that.

What we do not know though, is where this information came from, and if it is in fact accurate. Earlier in this case we had information as to Suzanne’s last communications with a friend, but the timing of those communications changed on multiple occasions.

So I’m skeptical as to the sandwich story.

Suzanne Morphew’s brother shares new details about her last known sighting and strange activity on his sister’s Facebook page hours before she was reported missing

 

[jakat]

Do you mean the Saturday?
Did they not meet for a sandwich in the town?

Yes, Saturday morning, though. MG and BM were at the 'beach property'. She was going to work on the beach, but Barry sent her home at 11 am. He told her he had to go home and make the wife happy. He also said they would either go hiking or biking.

I'm not sure if the Saturday afternoon sandwich shop happened. It could have, but MG said she saw Barry in town on Saturday afternoon. She never said Suzanne was with him, but Suzanne's brother AM said she was seen at the sandwich shop.

 

[kittythehare]

Andy did say on Dr. Phil, that Suzanne and Barry were spotted in town getting sandwiches at around 4pm on Saturday.

That formed at least part of his reasoning for his theory that she was murdered in the hours after that.

What we do not know though, is where this information came from, and if it is in fact accurate. Earlier in this case we had information as to Suzanne’s last communications with a friend, but the timing of those communications changed on multiple occasions.

So I’m skeptical as to the sandwich story.

Suzanne Morphew’s brother shares new details about her last known sighting and strange activity on his sister’s Facebook page hours before she was reported missing

Thanks for filling me in.
I'd been toying with the idea that they never returned from the town together but I was confused about the time or Sm's location for the convo with the friend whose child was getting married..
And I didn't know whether it was chat or live actual verbal conversation..
It could have been anytime from when he last saw the contractor he subsequently fired, the girl?

 

[kittythehare]

Yes, Saturday morning, though. MG and BM were at the 'beach property'. She was going to work on the beach, but Barry sent her home at 11 am. He told her he had to go home and make the wife happy. He also said they would either go hiking or biking.

I'm not sure if the Saturday afternoon sandwich shop happened. It could have, but MG said she saw Barry in town on Saturday afternoon. She never said Suzanne was with him, but Suzanne's brother AM said she was seen at the sandwich shop.

Didn't she say she saw him alone? In the town..

 

[Megnut]

Didn't she say she saw him alone? In the town..

Employee of Suzanne Morphew's husband DENIES they had an affair after Colorado mother disappeared

She only heard he'd been in town.

JMO

 

[jakat]

Didn't she say she saw him alone? In the town..

That I don't recall, but I wish we knew for sure. It might help with the timeline of when exactly she was communicating with her friend in Indiana, but it might not, either. We don't know a heck of a lot from LE, but we've managed to figure out a lot of things, too, by what others have stated.

 

[jakat]

Thanks for filling me in.
I'd been toying with the idea that they never returned from the town together but I was confused about the time or Sm's location for the convo with the friend whose child was getting married..
And I didn't know whether it was chat or live actual verbal conversation..
It could have been anytime from when he last saw the contractor he subsequently fired, the girl?

It was a text or something similar. We don't know the time so it could have been 8 am, 2:30 pm, 9 pm. My thought now is it was 9 pm because I think she was murdered at dark o'clock. I don't think BM would have left Suzanne dead at home while he went shopping in town Saturday afternoon. IMO he would have gotten her body out of the house quickly. If she went with him to the sandwich shop and to town, then I think she returned home with him. It was after that she texted with her friend and was murdered.

He fired MG when she got back from Broomfield. Suzanne was already dead.

JMO

 

[LietKynes]

It was a text or something similar. We don't know the time so it could have been 8 am, 2:30 pm, 9 pm. My thought now is it was 9 pm because I think she was murdered at dark o'clock. I don't think BM would have left Suzanne dead at home while he went shopping in town Saturday afternoon. IMO he would have gotten her body out of the house quickly. If she went with him to the sandwich shop and to town, then I think she returned home with him. It was after that she texted with her friend and was murdered.

He fired MG when she got back from Broomfield. Suzanne was already dead.

JMO

bbm
Exactly.

LE have an approximate timeline.
They know the who and maybe the when, just not the how and where.
Imo.
We do not know.

I am both encouraged and saddened that AM said LE needed to 'fill the envelope'.
AM knows possibly a bit more than we do.
Suzanne was his little sister; fgs.

 

[Sillybilly]

Thread closed.

It's been said a zillion times +/- not to sleuth Barry Morphew or his business.

 

[Sillybilly]

Yes, Lauren Scharf is an approved source at Websleuths, but just because Lauren Scharf said something (her prerogative) does not give WSers license to set about sleuthing Barry Morphew. Websleuths has its own set of rules. Discussing what LS had to say in a tweet is fine, running with that info and sleuthing BM is NOT fine.

As with any approved source at WS, you may discuss what is said by the source, but you may not set about sleuthing on an individual and posting that individual's private affairs on Websleuths just because that person is referred to in the approved source.

IF/when LE ever officially names someone as a suspect, you may then sleuth that person. Until then, such individuals are off limits for sleuthing.

If you do not understand this concept, private message me and I will clarify.

Check back in about an hour.

 

[Sillybilly]

Thread is open again.

 

[Jo in Calif]

dbm

 

[jakat]

Do you mean the Saturday?

Did they not meet for a sandwich in the town?

Yes Saturday.

Suzanne's brother said he thought Suzanne did have a sandwich in town. I'm paraphrasing. She could have, but she was texting with her friend until 9 or 9:30 Saturday night. Maybe, maybe not. We don't positively know when she was texting with her Indiana friend.

Wish we knew. JMO

 

[jakat]

It was a text or something similar. We don't know the time so it could have been 8 am, 2:30 pm, 9 pm. My thought now is it was 9 pm because I think she was murdered at dark o'clock. I don't think BM would have left Suzanne dead at home while he went shopping in town Saturday afternoon. IMO he would have gotten her body out of the house quickly. If she went with him to the sandwich shop and to town, then I think she returned home with him. It was after that she texted with her friend and was murdered.

He fired MG when she got back from Broomfield. Suzanne was already dead.

JMO

If I remember correctly, Andy said Suzanne was texting with her friend all afternoon until 9 or 9:30 pm. He then changed the time to 8 or 8:30 a.m.

JMO

 

[jakat]

bbm
Exactly.

LE have an approximate timeline.
They know the who and maybe the when, just not the how and where.
Imo.
We do not know.

I am both encouraged and saddened that AM said LE needed to 'fill the envelope'.
AM knows possibly a bit more than we do.
Suzanne was his little sister; fgs.

I hope they've stuffed that envelope. This case saddens me.

 

[MsBetsy]

If I remember correctly, Andy said Suzanne was texting with her friend all afternoon until 9 or 9:30 pm. He then changed the time to 8 or 8:30 a.m.

JMO

Well, the second time AM spoke about it he clarified that the conversation ended at 2:30 pm. After the search he stated it was at 8:00 am that her phone was dead.

So we still don't know for sure when the communication took place and when it ended.

 

[al66pine]

BM as Guardian? In CO, for PP Prop Sale?

... now I am wondering if there was some restriction on how the proceeds of the sale were handled?...
ETA - ... HELOC on the house... I wonder if his IN Letters weren't recognized and he hasn't made any effort to open guardianship in CO?? guess I should go check the court records to see what's up. - nothing new filed in IN guardianship Indiana SupremeCourt public access case search - MyCase JMO

. @oviedo Thx for checking for BM filing. If BM needs to have Gdnship of SM to secure a HELOC on Puma Path prop, he might try the easy way, like you said. Maybe he submitted loan forms to lender w Letters issued by IN ct, and then lender refused to recognize IN gdnship.
I've wondered before whether the IN ct-issued Letters & Apptmt list/specify the prop's. including the PP prop, but have not learned about it one way or the other.

If BM & SM still have real est and/or other prop in IN, I wonder if it makes sense for BM to file in IN ct, to transfer the case to CO ct. From my read of IN and CO gdnship statutes, if IN ct transfers the case & if CO ct accepts it, that may/does allow him to secure a HELOC on or sell PP prop.

But looking at long view, if IN actually transfers the case, then would BM need to file final accounting in IN ct ? Would his authority re IN prop & assets be terminated, etc. So if they still have IN prop's esp'ly real est. seems to me, down the line when he wants to sell IN prop, BM may/would be forced to petition in IN for gdnship all over again, from scratch so to speak.
IIRC one of our verified legal professionals (sorry, forgot who) stated sometimes gdnships for the same person may run concurrently in more than one state. I can see that happening esp'ly when ward has ownership interests in real est in more than one state.
So back to my earlier question about whether earlier IN ct -issued Letters, orders, dox specify the PP prop as being within BM's authority.

Even if IN ct did reference the CO prop, will/could the lender still refuse to recognize it, refuse to make loan? Make loan only w CO ct-issued Letters. etc.? my 2cts.

 

[PaulaDC]

If the cameras were in fact suddenly not working prior to the murder, then I absolutely agree.

There is another alternative though. Depending on the type of system, BM could have disabled the cameras after the fact, and deleted all the video surrounding the relevant timeframe.

It could merely be a matter of using the camera app to do this, which would take a matter of seconds.

That would immediately look suspicious. moo

 

[MassGuy]

That would immediately look suspicious. moo

Incredibly, but it wouldn’t be anywhere near as damning as having video proof of Suzanne’s death.