Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #50

[Minordetails]

LE appeared to be reluctant participants in Andy’s search, almost as if they were dragged in. I thought LE is, and was in desperate need of a body?

 

[Momofthreeboys]

That’s just LE being tricky. Wouldn’t want anyone to think it’s a homicide case. It would mess up the investigation.
But we’re not tricked, we know it was a murder, and we even know who did it. Right?

I personally do believe she is deceased but unlike you alas I don’t know how or who may have been involved.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

*Who* else knew BM would be miles away from their house and their daughters would not be there as well?

And do those 'who's have alibis for that day?

 

[Ontario Mom]

LE appeared to be reluctant participants in Andy’s search, almost as if they were dragged in. I thought LE is, and was in desperate need of a body?

LE did appear to me also as being reluctant to be involved in Andy's search but as the lead LE agency in charge of her case, I have no doubt they had valid reasons for that. Probably one huge reason is, they didn't want a ton of untrained, inexperienced people showing up (regardeless of their hearts being in the right place) and potentially interferring with any aspect of the investigation (especially physical evidence, if found during any of the searches).

Very much the same reasons LE agencies give when they tell the public on a local missing person's case that NO, they do not need any volunteer searchers, at this time. This is entirely speculation of course.

It would be a good thing in every way if they did have SM's body. For some sort of proper goodbye for her girls, family, friends, and for LE to do what they need to do to bring her justice. And I sure hope they do eventually find her. Sooner rather than later.

jmo

 

[Trocroc9]

LE appeared to be reluctant participants in Andy’s search, almost as if they were dragged in. I thought LE is, and was in desperate need of a body?

I do have this deep down feeling that AM might have said some things that LE did not want released such as SM being in contact with a friend (last known Social media contact about wedding), home smelling like bleach, elk antlers by the home. I think these are things LE wanted held close to the vest. I can imagine they were not happy when these things were released to the public by AM.

 

[Momofthreeboys]

I do have this deep down feeling that AM might have said some things that LE did not want released such as SM being in contact with a friend (last known Social media contact about wedding), home smelling like bleach, elk antlers by the home. I think these are things LE wanted held close to the vest. I can imagine they were not happy when these things were released to the public by AM.

If it bothered LE it is probably more that it was rumor or insignificant like bleach smell during Covid in a home with a hot tub or had nothing to do with anything like the unprocessed elk rack. But all of it is really anyone’s guess.

 

[K9Enzo]

LE appeared to be reluctant participants in Andy’s search, almost as if they were dragged in. I thought LE is, and was in desperate need of a body?

IMO The private search for SM was a nightmare for LE. The main reason, was the safety of the volunteers. AM did have impressive numbers in volunteers. I’m sure some local residents were contacting the Sheriffs office concerned about this search and their property (I’m not talking about BM). Then you had a dog handler, that would most likely never be invited by LE, stating their two dogs were smelling human remains in two different locations. That was the lowest point for me and I felt soooo bad for SM’s brother Andy. When a family is desperate, there’s always someone waiting on the sidelines. LE ruled those hits out, per their press release.

LE wants to locate SM but want to use their own resources. They have never asked for volunteers. The public’s help with information-yes.

Although my opinion was the private search was a nightmare for LE, for AM not having any experience, especially in that terrain, organized his search very well. I felt very proud of him.

I thought LE was a good sport about all of it. They went to several locations flagged by the private searchers. They even dug up a site based on volunteer information and reviewed other items turned in. I’m glad they took this route instead of having a awkward showdown with AM and his volunteers. It was a tough situation. IMO

 

[Trackergd]

Although my opinion was the private search was a nightmare for LE, for AM not having any experience, especially in that terrain, organized his search very well. I felt very proud of him.

I thought LE was a good sport about all of it. They went to several locations flagged by the private searchers. They even dug up a site based on volunteer information and reviewed other items turned in. I’m glad they took this route instead of having a awkward showdown with AM and his volunteers. It was a tough situation. IMO

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I think you are spot on @K9Enzo. The other elephant in the room is logistical support. There is a ton of background activity associated with a search operation. Virtually all search managers and coordinators have taken and are certified in the FEMA Incident Command classes. It is all well and good to have a number of volunteer searchers, but the support for those searchers is extensive. Water, Food, Porta Potty staging and cleaning, Sleeping Shelters, Transport to and from the field. Map team to plot the search areas and the areas searched (and in some cases re-searched), Team Leaders with experience in leading untrained searchers, Medical Team for the searchers, Cooling or Heating stations for the searchers, High Angle Rescue on standby, Liaison Officer to coordinate with LE and Military, Public Relations Officer to communicate with the press, Site Security, Communications Team, Incident Commander and Deputy, Check in and Check out team to ensure no searcher is left in the field, Finance Manager to coordinate payment for the support items, and the list grows from there. Who pays for all this? In most cases the local municipality that may have it thrust upon them by well meaning family and friends of the victim, with little to no notice. The cost can be staggering to a small community municipal budget.

 

[OldCop]

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I think you are spot on @K9Enzo. The other elephant in the room is logistical support. There is a ton of background activity associated with a search operation. Virtually all search managers and coordinators have taken and are certified in the FEMA Incident Command classes. It is all well and good to have a number of volunteer searchers, but the support for those searchers is extensive. Water, Food, Porta Potty staging and cleaning, Sleeping Shelters, Transport to and from the field. Map team to plot the search areas and the areas searched (and in some cases re-searched), Team Leaders with experience in leading untrained searchers, Medical Team for the searchers, Cooling or Heating stations for the searchers, High Angle Rescue on standby, Liaison Officer to coordinate with LE and Military, Public Relations Officer to communicate with the press, Site Security, Communications Team, Incident Commander and Deputy, Check in and Check out team to ensure no searcher is left in the field, Finance Manager to coordinate payment for the support items, and the list grows from there. Who pays for all this? In most cases the local municipality that may have it thrust upon them by well meaning family and friends of the victim, with little to no notice. The cost can be staggering to a small community municipal budget.

So glad you pointed out all this info, @Trackergd. Many folks just don’t realized what is involved in SAR missions. It is natural that people want to help, but it’s no walk in the park. And especially so when you’re dealing with dangerous terrain.

 

[Seattle1]

 

[Seattle1]

I do have this deep down feeling that AM might have said some things that LE did not want released such as SM being in contact with a friend (last known Social media contact about wedding), home smelling like bleach, elk antlers by the home. I think these are things LE wanted held close to the vest. I can imagine they were not happy when these things were released to the public by AM.

With all respect for AM and what he has said or not said, I believe AM has been utilized by investigators (and PE) both ways.

I think it's very much possible AM has made comments that are not accurate both unknowingly and with the full support of LE and/or his handler. Other than his declared love for his sister, I'm not banking on the statements about bleach smell, antlers, timeline, church camp, or 4pm-ish sandwich run being fact.

BM also made it a point to remind us that investigators can legally lie about details during an investigation (i.e., when referencing polygraph exam).

MOO.

 

[steeltowngirl]

With all respect for AM and what he has said or not said, I believe AM has been utilized by investigators (and PE) both ways.

I think it's very much possible AM has made comments that are not accurate both unknowingly and with the full support of LE and/or his handler. Other than his declared love for his sister, I'm not banking on the statements about bleach smell, antlers, timeline, church camp, or 4pm-ish sandwich run being fact.

BM also made it a point to remind us that investigators can legally lie about details during an investigation (i.e., when referencing polygraph exam).

MOO.

I have heard that LE can legally lie, and I always wondered if there were any real life examples. Last Friday’s 20/20 show featured the case of the murder of Cari Farver. They showed clips of interviews where LE devised a ruse. Liz Golyar took the bait, and implicated herself as the murderer. It was fascinating to watch.

 

[Seattle1]

Law Enforcement seeking suspect in Saguache County homicide

Dec 6, 2020

Saguache County, CO)—The Saguache County Sheriff’s Office (SCSO) is investigating a murder in the town of Saguache occurring in the early morning hours of Sunday, December 6, 2020.

Deputies with the SCSO were called to a home in the 800 block of Gunnison Avenue just before 4:30 a.m. on a report of an injured Salida man in his 50’s who sustained what ultimately would become fatal injuries.

[..]

The victim’s name is being withheld until family notifications have been made.

 

[Puzzles8]

So here we are, Suzanne disappeared almost seven months ago. Our W/S conversations are over 50 threads long.

What more do we really know now than on day one?

We still don’t know when SM was last seen. It might have been in town getting a sandwich on Saturday afternoon. But we don’t know who allegedly saw her. Might it have been a person wearing a wig in the passenger side of BM’s truck?

We really don’t know much about SM’s Saturday alleged phone/text/social media conversations either. We are assuming they were with a friend in IN, whose child was getting married. We really have no confirmation on that though. There is also a big discrepancy in the time frame of these conversations. Who knows the truth? It has crossed my mind that SM might have been really communicating with a DV support group member. If BM overheard that, it would not be good.

LE has been very tight lipped about the entire investigation. It appears they had a strong suspect in mind early on. They must have had very compelling evidence to support the SW request to take apart a concrete foundation at a site BM had recently done work.

I remember how many tips LE received in the first 24 hours. IMO many more than they would have received on any other random missing person’s case. It would be very interesting to know where the initial tips came from. Colorado, Indiana, current friends, former friends, business associates, family, members of their IN or CO church community, or from a DV group expressing concern for SM's well being.

I am hoping against hope things start to move forward in this case January 2021. The new DA knows this case will be high profile.

It boils down to this, either LE has a very strong envelope of evidence or they have a very good reason to keep this information private until charges are filed.

JMO, MOO,

 

[xSpydxr]

I’ve been speed reading the last few days and just got caught up. So much info and a horrid situation.

I dunno if I missed a discussion on BM going through the trash after hours of the restaurant/store(not sure which it was), but my guy said he was looking for his missing wife’s bike helmet?? That’s so bizarre, but probably not far from the truth. It would be worth going through the trash if you threw her phone in there. Maybe he got paranoid about it still being able to be located and with his prints on it. Other than something with GPS, how would LE track down an item thrown in the trash weeks(or more) prior. JMO.

Looking forward to justice for SM and filling in the pieces on what happened.

 

[oviedo]

So here we are, Suzanne disappeared almost seven months ago. Our W/S conversations are over 50 threads long.

What more do we really know now than on day one?

We still don’t know when SM was last seen. It might have been in town getting a sandwich on Saturday afternoon. But we don’t know who allegedly saw her. Might it have been a person wearing a wig in the passenger side of BM’s truck?

We really don’t know much about SM’s Saturday alleged phone/text/social media conversations either. We are assuming they were with a friend in IN, whose child was getting married. We really have no confirmation on that though. There is also a big discrepancy in the time frame of these conversations. Who knows the truth? It has crossed my mind that SM might have been really communicating with a DV support group member. If BM overheard that, it would not be good.

LE has been very tight lipped about the entire investigation. It appears they had a strong suspect in mind early on. They must have had very compelling evidence to support the SW request to take apart a concrete foundation at a site BM had recently done work.

I remember how many tips LE received in the first 24 hours. IMO many more than they would have received on any other random missing person’s case. It would be very interesting to know where the initial tips came from. Colorado, Indiana, current friends, former friends, business associates, family, members of their IN or CO church community, or from a DV group expressing concern for SM's well being.

I am hoping against hope things start to move forward in this case January 2021. The new DA knows this case will be high profile.

It boils down to this, either LE has a very strong envelope of evidence or they have a very good reason to keep this information private until charges are filed.

JMO, MOO,

It's true we don't have a lot of information confirmed by LE IMO. I have been reviewing the evidence in MacKenzie Lueck's case and the amount of forensics collected from her killers house, yard and car is astonishing. My hope is that there is a similar trail and we will be surprised at just how much there is for SM's killer too.
JMO

 

[On Track]

Narrative Timing
From the case beginnings there are what I think are indicators of multiple efforts to build and broadcast a false narrative. My thoughts keep returning to these. To me these speak volumes about a probable suspect. Here are some of what I see as probable narrative efforts:

• before reported missing, communicating to neighbor to go back and look for her bike
• criticizing law enforcement from early on with the likes of "we was really upset that night..."
• apparent first-week family spokesman, TN, reinforcing the bike ride and recommending people ask LE about the condition of the bike
• Poncha Market activity and note, "baby blue bike helmet, biking clothing" (to me this was most likely part of the effort to build a narrative)
• the 26-second, "Oh, Suzanne" video, including the abduction focus
• the TD video that emphasizes theories about "the cat," bicycle accident, and abduction (my guess BM knew this was being recorded and was seizing the opportunity for further narrative building)
• heck, given the likelihood the bike was staged, guess that might even be part of the narrative effort

All this MOO.

 

[Knox]

So here we are, Suzanne disappeared almost seven months ago. Our W/S conversations are over 50 threads long.

What more do we really know now than on day one?

We still don’t know when SM was last seen. It might have been in town getting a sandwich on Saturday afternoon. But we don’t know who allegedly saw her. Might it have been a person wearing a wig in the passenger side of BM’s truck?

We really don’t know much about SM’s Saturday alleged phone/text/social media conversations either. We are assuming they were with a friend in IN, whose child was getting married. We really have no confirmation on that though. There is also a big discrepancy in the time frame of these conversations. Who knows the truth? It has crossed my mind that SM might have been really communicating with a DV support group member. If BM overheard that, it would not be good.

LE has been very tight lipped about the entire investigation. It appears they had a strong suspect in mind early on. They must have had very compelling evidence to support the SW request to take apart a concrete foundation at a site BM had recently done work.

I remember how many tips LE received in the first 24 hours. IMO many more than they would have received on any other random missing person’s case. It would be very interesting to know where the initial tips came from. Colorado, Indiana, current friends, former friends, business associates, family, members of their IN or CO church community, or from a DV group expressing concern for SM's well being.

I am hoping against hope things start to move forward in this case January 2021. The new DA knows this case will be high profile.

It boils down to this, either LE has a very strong envelope of evidence or they have a very good reason to keep this information private until charges are filed.

JMO, MOO,

Simply put, LE has one bite at the apple. Whether this is going to be a no-body case remains to be seen, but rushing to arrest and prosecute would be foolish. I've seen a lot of criticism directed towards Spezze on the internet, undeserved IMO. I have no doubt Suzanne will receive justice and this case is going to make one heck of a Dateline episode one day. I'm not so patiently waiting for action, but confident it will happen. What say you @MassGuy? February 2021?

 

[LietKynes]

Narrative Timing
From the case beginnings there are what I think are indicators of multiple efforts to build and broadcast a false narrative. My thoughts keep returning to these. To me these speak volumes about a probable suspect. Here are some of what I see as probable narrative efforts:

• before reported missing, communicating to neighbor to go back and look for her bike
• criticizing law enforcement from early on with the likes of "we was really upset that night..."
• apparent first-week family spokesman, TN, reinforcing the bike ride and recommending people ask LE about the condition of the bike
• Poncha Market activity and note, "baby blue bike helmet, biking clothing" (to me this was most likely part of the effort to build a narrative)
• the 26-second, "Oh, Suzanne" video, including the abduction focus
• the TD video that emphasizes theories about "the cat," bicycle accident, and abduction (my guess BM knew this was being recorded and was seizing the opportunity for further narrative building)
• heck, given the likelihood the bike was staged, guess that might even be part of the narrative effort

All this MOO.

bolding mine
I totally agree !

Re. the lavender bolded : Some very classy people there....

Re. the teal bolded : I think that's a distinct possibility.
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Imo.

 

[MassGuy]

Simply put, LE has one bite at the apple. Whether this is going to be a no-body case remains to be seen, but rushing to arrest and prosecute would be foolish. I've seen a lot of criticism directed towards Spezze on the internet, undeserved IMO. I have no doubt Suzanne will receive justice and this case is going to make one heck of a Dateline episode one day. I'm not so patiently waiting for action, but confident it will happen. What say you @MassGuy? February 2021?

I think February would be the earliest we could see an arrest. The incoming DA probably needs some time to get all her ducks in a row. I’m just hoping to see something before the one year mark.