CO - The Stalking and Mysterious Death of Morgan Ingram #2

[concernedmother]

If this was some high tech covert operation that escapes a perimeter of surveillance undetected thats goal is to enter a home and murder someone then you are looking at an entirely different perp. Then you would have to believe Morgan held some classified secrets or knew something big that the perp didnt want told.

I agree with NancyA . Sometimes the simplest explanation is probably the right one.

Unless that home had a secret trap door and underground tunnel it was probably someone right under their noses the whole time.

 

[concernedmother]

Yes. I was researching dog meds this morning. Mainly tramadol and rimadyl that my dogs have. My hubby also has tramadol. There were many questions wondering if they (the human) could take the dog's meds.:what: Especially the rimadyl. All I kept thinking about was those big, chewable, liver-flavored tablets that my dogs have.:floorlaugh:

lol. Dont eat them. I have heard of people going to the vet and getting meds tho because they are cheaper for pets than humans from the pharmacy.

 

[Cazzie]

Yes. I was researching dog meds this morning. Mainly tramadol and rimadyl that my dogs have. My hubby also has tramadol. There were many questions wondering if they (the human) could take the dog's meds.:what: Especially the rimadyl. All I kept thinking about was those big, chewable, liver-flavored tablets that my dogs have.:floorlaugh:

Don't do it, LOL.

Sifting thru all my thoughts, the only thing I will say at this moment is I used to put Avon "Skin So Soft" (I think?) on my horse, as a mosquito repellant. It was much recommended. Only drawbacks were he smelled like a <self-modding noun>, I am sensitive to chemicals and fragrances, and I wanted him to be au natural.

It was an alternative to poisonous chemicals but ACK...argh...

 

[JBean]

We are not in a position to determine who the perp was since there are no named suspects or POI's. So discussion of potential suspects needs to remain general and no one specifically can be named, investigated or discussed.

But what we can do is examine all of the information that has been revealed to us and all the possibilites as to how any of this could be accomplished.

 

[Lera213]

The one neighbor wasn't in his home, he was away, when the cop that came out to a call went over there with Mrs. I the cop found the door open. He went inside but nobody was there. (I doubt he checked in closest and attic). My guess is the perp was using that house as a safe haven, easy to get to and hide. I bet with a sling shot or something he could have toss rocks to their windows from that area too. It was also reported at the beginning that twice a lawn chair was moved from it's original spot. We do not know what was in his medicine cabinet, nor do we know what was in the other ABC's medicine cabinet.

I do recall news reports that in these day's kids or drug users are going into parents medicine cabinets and taking meds to get high off of where one would not expect a drug to be used. Flexeril I bet is one gauging off of one of the comments I read on FB.

Now trying to put my mind into the stalker ie What would I do if him type thing, this is not a comforting thing to do at all but must be done. I believe the initial hunting cam surprised him. He reverted back to his simple rock tossing and went in that empty house to observe. If he went into that home he either had a Key, or he was also giving a Key like the I's to maybe mow the lawn? That might be another angle to check up on, of who was asked to mow their lawn?

 

[concernedmother]

How could the perp get to the cams or the tree to climb the roof undetected by all the surveillance? Any theory's?

 

[Lera213]

They also had a sliding glass door, they are so easy to break into. When I was young, I was out late, came home, all doors were locked, I didn't want to wake up my mom, cause I was late and didn't want to hear her yell at me. All I had to do was lift and push the door, and it slid open, it never woke up my mom. If you are a very light sleeper and the sliding glass door is near your room, you might hear it but even if your in a deeper sleep and hear it, you might assume it was someone else getting up getting a drink, making noise, an animal and your subconscious ignores it.

 

[Lera213]

How could the perp get to the cams or the tree to climb the roof undetected by all the surveillance? Any theory's?

constantly setting off the lights and having the parents come out looking for the perp is probably a way to tire them out, after a while they might not come out and check each time they went off. Maybe that tree was not well covered with cam.

 

[JBean]

I have no background in pharmacology and consequently have no idea if this information is even applicable to the circumstances.(antemortem vs post mortem levels) But it does seem to put the levels in some perspective, jmho of course:

Reference Values
AMITRIPTYLINE AND NORTRIPTYLINE
Total therapeutic concentration: 80-200 ng/mL
Total toxic concentration: > or =1,000 ng/mL

NORTRIPTYLINE ONLY
Therapeutic concentration: 70-170 ng/mL
Toxic concentration: > or =500 ng/mL
Note: Therapeutic ranges are for specimens drawn at trough (ie, immediately before next scheduled dose). Levels may be elevated in non-trough specimens.
Interpretation
Most individuals display optimal response to amitriptyline when combined serum levels of amitriptyline and nortriptyline are between 80 and 200 ng/mL. Risk of toxicity is increased with combined levels >1,000 ng/mL.

Most individuals display optimal response to nortriptyline with serum levels between 70 and 170 ng/mL. Risk of toxicity is increased with nortriptyline levels >500 ng/mL.

http://www.mayomedicallaboratories.com/test-catalog/Clinical+and+Interpretive/8125

 

[rollinginit]

How could the perp get to the cams or the tree to climb the roof undetected by all the surveillance? Any theory's?

Blind spots. Don't know. Would have to see how the cameras were set up. Parents could have set 4 cameras up to cover the berm, and the rest were in the front. Blind spots on the sides.

Or somebody had a huge pole and came up on the side and hit the cameras overhead to turn them certain ways. Also depends on your eves. (SP?) I have deep eves (or roof overhang) Sounds like the parents went through the attic and hung them on the overhangs or roof. Easy for somebody to walk under the overhang without being detected on camera. Also very easy to get those long tree clipper, reach up with it and cut the camera wire.

Just some ideas. I don't know??????? JMO

 

[Lera213]

To those who have a sliding glass door, please get a piece of wood or metal pole to place in the track to keep from someone easily opening that door. The end of a broom stick is fine and cheap.

 

[Herding Cats]

Yes, the street name for Amitriptyline is Elavil (from a quick random google search).

No, that's the trade name for it. That's the "easy" name, in other words, from the makers of ami.

I'm wondering more along the lines of illicit drug use, a common name (not the "real" name) that it could be used under. Like when someone is referring to marijuana, the street name for that is "pot". Or cocaine, street name is "blow" or "snow".

I've looked and looked, but I'm soooo unfamiliar with drugs used on the street that I can't figure out what I'm doing. LOL.

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Herding Cats

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

No, that's the trade name for it. That's the "easy" name, in other words, from the makers of ami.

I'm wondering more along the lines of illicit drug use, a common name (not the "real" name) that it could be used under. Like when someone is referring to marijuana, the street name for that is "pot". Or cocaine, street name is "blow" or "snow".

I've looked and looked, but I'm soooo unfamiliar with drugs used on the street that I can't figure out what I'm doing. LOL.

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Herding Cats

If Ami is mixed with another drug it is called Ecstacy on the streets, imho.

 

[concernedmother]

I dont think it would be hard to get the drugs.

If Morgan took them herself there should be something laying around. Pill bottles, syringe, glass if liquid ingestion. Was there anything laying around or in the trash?

If someone murdered her the biggie. How did they get in the house undetected? Why risk it when they could have just caught her out some where or on the way home by herself stepped out in front of her to stop her car and did it? Or cut a tire or brake line.


Why did they want her dead?


To narrow it down.
If Morgan killed herself where is the evidence?
If murdered, how did they get in undetected by all the surveillance?

 

[txsvicki]

It's a brand name I've heard since the 70's. Elavil. I can't understand why anyone would want to get high on it unless nothing else is available. Smoking it off tin foil might give a different type high.

 

[moslym3]

I previously posted that a good way to get closer to the truth is to follow the ami by not who may have maliciously provided the dose, but rather who else in her network was using ami or flex recreationally. I believe the lethal dose came from sources that "party" with it, rather than treat horses with it. There are plenty of forums of "field reports" of kids taking 6-12 "ami"s and reporting on how it affected them.

Also, when kids get involved in hard drugs in high-school - the kids that want no part of it (morgan) but know about it are often viewed as a liability. They get alienated from the group and potentially harassed to keep them quiet. Other times the group will attempt to convince the outsider to "party" with them and in bad cases (maybe this one) trick them into doing it by dosing them while they are unaware to get them to change their mind - or to bring them down off their "high horse" by making them as guilty as the rest.

In college and high school I witnessed instances of people being dosed with all sorts of drugs -- for purposes of pressure, blackmail, sometimes hazing or just a "joke". The days of spiking a punch-bowl with a few hits of acid are over. Kids have access to full-out narco out there.

 

[twinkiesmom]

I think it was 7900 for ami and that was from peripheral blood. I'll look it up and link it.
(ETA 7909 ami 2833 nor)
Letter posted September 10:
http://morganingram.com/wordpress/?paged=2

The units are ng/mL...so for every mL of blood it had XXXX ng of drug. This is an important point....not a trace amount.

 

[JBean]

shoot I have 2 big bottles of ami in my medicine cabinet; prescribed as a migraine preventative. Like Morgan, I aborted usage after a few months because I did not want to be on a prescription drug.
I think people will abuse just about any drug and that includes this one. But generally speaking, IMO, I don't think this is a high demand street drug.JMHO of course.

 

[concernedmother]

I am not doubting the I's story and accounts at all of what they are telling. I see a mystery here either way it happened. Suicide or murder. I think it raises enough questions either way that the case should be reopened and investigated.

 

[rollinginit]

Here's a very detailed article about ami. Didn't know if it was posted yet or not. It shows the levels and symptoms of toxic levels.

There's also some stuff in this article about some people ODing on this stuff and nothing happens until days later. At the bottom, there are 3 or 4 real cases they worked on with ODs.

http://www.inchem.org/documents/ukpids/ukpids/ukpid18.htm

Patients with only mild signs of toxicity may rapidly develop life-
threatening complications. Where major toxic events occur these
usually develop within 6 hours of overdose, the risk of toxicity being
greatest 2-4 hours after ingestion