Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Emergency #5

[dixiegirl1035]

One future issue I see as a scary problem for the US (and other countries of course) is the potential ability for patients currently in the hospital for other reasons being cross-infected. So far I’ve seen numerous reports of this occurring - I’m just waking up so need to get my links together, but I saw one last night where it was another 50 patients infected in the hospital “who were there for other reasons”. Moo.

I saw a video, I believe it was from the UK, where a doctor/Covid-19 response medical worker was saying do NOT come to the hospital or GP, “we will come to you”.

I believe that someone posted there were only 10 hospitals in US that had airborne isolation rooms. I think it was @JerseyGirl .

 

[Amonet]

Summer Games in Japan are also a thing. Tour de France includes Italy? I think the global economy must be stopped to stop the spread of the deadly virus, but so far borders are open, WHO is stalling on calling a pandemic a pandemic, and economics are prevalent in the minds of governments. From a government viewpoint, the perspective would be that most people survive and they need strong leadership. The longer they can delay awareness of pandemic, the longer there is to manage the economy.

I think the global economy, or local or national economies, are not there just to produce obscene profits for rich people.

It's also about people having jobs, so that they can buy food, pay rent, etc. It's also about making products and getting them to the shops, and that includes food, medicine, PPE, etc.

Transport systems are part of the economy, and they're about getting doctors and nurses into work...I imagine plenty of them travel by tube/underground railways in cities like London and New York.

Breaking down all of these things can lead to the breakdown of social order and law and order. Not good. It has so many knock-on effects, like dominoes in a row, and when one goes down it takes all the others with it.

Sometimes it might be the correct thing to do to place a lockdown on a city in a country but still keep the borders open for the actual country. You don't cut off an arm for cut finger, you put a plaster around the finger. If the finger cut gets infected with MRSA, then you have to look wider than the finger itself, but your first action isn't going to be cutting off the arm.

With a 1 or 2% fatality rate, I don't think continuity of government is really the issue they're concerned about. And when they're concerned about economy, it's not just about money but about the human effects that are so closely tied to the economy and that you can't separate from the economy.

I tend to agree with that article about getting people emotionally prepared prior to a pandemic. And even with that you have to be careful....look at things like hurricanes in the USA (which I feel a bit more awareness of people's reactions than I do for cyclones in Asia) and how many people stay put even when they should really evacuate? And of course, both individuals and governments don't want to have mass evacuations if they don't really need to. And sometimes they get it wrong, the hurricane might change course and hit a different place, it might weaken and not do the damage that was feared. And sometimes it can be worse than expected, like in New Orleans a few years ago.

Look what happens when it snows and people rush to the shops for milk and bread.....and over here we feel that way even if we only get three inches of snow and we live in a city that isn't going to be cut off for weeks. You don't want to bring on panic, if you're in government, you'd rather use band aids on fingers than go around unnecessarily chopping off arms and legs and doing things there's no going back from and the side-effects are worse than the original disease.

Even in Wuhan, they were still keeping supermarkets stocked up with food and presumably basic OTC medicines. If we can get 10% of people doing a little extra stocking up so that they can stay inside for the entirety of a 14-day lockdown without needing to go out, that's going to ease things for the entire community, and it's going to reduce the number of people who rush to the store and empty the shelves without the store having time to re-order between people getting just a little extra at a time.

We here in this forum need to be the ones saying to our friends/relatives who've been ignoring the stories, saying "keep calm, here's what I've read, here's what we can do....don't panic"

 

[Henry2326]

More ships.....
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As worries grow in Italy's north, authorities in the country's south put a migrant rescue ship in quarantine in Sicily, the interior ministry said Sunday.
The Ocean Viking, which has 274 migrants aboard who were rescued at sea, is quarantined in Pozzallo, Sicily, along with the ship's crew.

Italy coronavirus cases soar as authorities scramble to find patient zero - CNN

 

[mickey2942]

Main stream media, regarding reductions in shipping containers from China. Exactly relating what my friend in Seattle already knew last week.

China’s Shipping Nears a Standstill Amid Coronavirus Disruption

 

[Henry2326]

I think the global economy, or local or national economies, are not there just to produce obscene profits for rich people.

It's also about people having jobs, so that they can buy food, pay rent, etc. It's also about making products and getting them to the shops, and that includes food, medicine, PPE, etc.

Transport systems are part of the economy, and they're about getting doctors and nurses into work...I imagine plenty of them travel by tube/underground railways in cities like London and New York.

Breaking down all of these things can lead to the breakdown of social order and law and order. Not good. It has so many knock-on effects, like dominoes in a row, and when one goes down it takes all the others with it.

Sometimes it might be the correct thing to do to place a lockdown on a city in a country but still keep the borders open for the actual country. You don't cut off an arm for cut finger, you put a plaster around the finger. If the finger cut gets infected with MRSA, then you have to look wider than the finger itself, but your first action isn't going to be cutting off the arm.

With a 1 or 2% fatality rate, I don't think continuity of government is really the issue they're concerned about. And when they're concerned about economy, it's not just about money but about the human effects that are so closely tied to the economy and that you can't separate from the economy.

I tend to agree with that article about getting people emotionally prepared prior to a pandemic. And even with that you have to be careful....look at things like hurricanes in the USA (which I feel a bit more awareness of people's reactions than I do for cyclones in Asia) and how many people stay put even when they should really evacuate? And of course, both individuals and governments don't want to have mass evacuations if they don't really need to. And sometimes they get it wrong, the hurricane might change course and hit a different place, it might weaken and not do the damage that was feared. And sometimes it can be worse than expected, like in New Orleans a few years ago.

Look what happens when it snows and people rush to the shops for milk and bread.....and over here we feel that way even if we only get three inches of snow and we live in a city that isn't going to be cut off for weeks. You don't want to bring on panic, if you're in government, you'd rather use band aids on fingers than go around unnecessarily chopping off arms and legs and doing things there's no going back from and the side-effects are worse than the original disease.

Even in Wuhan, they were still keeping supermarkets stocked up with food and presumably basic OTC medicines. If we can get 10% of people doing a little extra stocking up so that they can stay inside for the entirety of a 14-day lockdown without needing to go out, that's going to ease things for the entire community, and it's going to reduce the number of people who rush to the store and empty the shelves without the store having time to re-order between people getting just a little extra at a time.

We here in this forum need to be the ones saying to our friends/relatives who've been ignoring the stories, saying "keep calm, here's what I've read, here's what we can do....don't panic"

No issues in keeping calm.........my daughter laughed at me because I want her to stock up on diapers and formula for the grandbaby. My elderly parents ignore me. There is only a small group in the US paying attention....US, the military, the CDC, and the State Dept.
Having lived in a hurricane zone, the sxxt hits the fan when a community is locked down in the US. Until then, its business as usual.....IMO

 

[Henry2326]

For a minute there I thought Europe could stop it....NOT
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UPDATE: The Austrian train operator OBB has resumed train traffic to Italy, according to Sky News

BNO Newsroom on Twitter

 

[margarita25]

Dr. Anthony Fauci: We are clearly at the brink of a pandemic with novel coronavirus - CNN Video
Dr. Anthony Fauci, who is the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, explains what a pandemic is and says we're nearly at the brink of one with the novel coronavirus outbreak.
Source: CNN

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Coronavirus outbreak edges closer to pandemic
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U.S. prepares for coronavirus pandemic, school and business closures: health officials
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(At the store lol, thought I’d see if anyone was using the “P” word yet)

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ETA: About damn time you got your arse back here @Bravo!

Just in time! Missed you!

 

[gngr~snap]

I believe that someone posted there were only 10 hospitals in US that had airborne isolation rooms. I think it was @JerseyGirl .

Children's Healthcare of Atlanta has at least one! I know. We were there for 5 days 21 years ago when my son had a WICKED case of Chicken Pox.
After spending 5 days there, when we left, I didn't make it 5 miles down the road before I got a MASSIVE MIGRAINE. - perhaps the worst one ever!
That pressure change did me wrong, but protected every other child in the hospital from being exposed to Chicken Pox.
I also know a friend of my son was working in Metro Atlanta area hospitals transforming rooms to negative pressure rooms.
(No idea how many though)
MOO

 

[margarita25]

No issues in keeping calm.........my daughter laughed at me because I want her to stock up on diapers and formula for the grandbaby. My elderly parents ignore me. There is only a small group in the US paying attention....US, the military, the CDC, and the State Dept.
Having lived in a hurricane zone, the sxxt hits the fan when a community is locked down in the US. Until then, its business as usual.....IMO

If you have APVLA the diapers will come in handy.

Of course we’ve already discussed this.
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Children's Healthcare of Atlanta has at least one! I know. We were there for 5 days 21 years ago when my son had a WICKED case of Chicken Pox.
After spending 5 days there, when we left, I didn't make it 5 miles down the road before I got a MASSIVE MIGRAINE. - perhaps the worst one ever!
That pressure change did me wrong, but protected every other child in the hospital from being exposed to Chicken Pox.
I also know a friend of my son was working in Metro Atlanta area hospitals transforming rooms to negative pressure rooms.
(No idea how many though)
MOO

I have a couple pediatric references for you upstream, Note to grab them when I get home.

 

[gngr~snap]

No issues in keeping calm.........my daughter laughed at me because I want her to stock up on diapers and formula for the grandbaby. My elderly parents ignore me. There is only a small group in the US paying attention....US, the military, the CDC, and the State Dept.
Having lived in a hurricane zone, the sxxt hits the fan when a community is locked down in the US. Until then, its business as usual.....IMO

Right? I'm there with ya!
So what did I do?
I bought a months worth of size 5 diapers, l because she isn't an alarmist. She also is a stay at home mom and does not drive.
I just know I'm gonna get that call...
The things we do for our loved ones.
She has never experienced anything in her life except being snowed in a for 2 days.
She has no idea...
I (almost) want to bring all of my very small family to weather any quarantine to my house, then again...- nah.
I worry too much!
MOO

 

[Henry2326]

Right? I'm there with ya!
So what did I do?
I bought a months worth of size 5 diapers, l because she isn't an alarmist. She also is a stay at home mom and does not drive.
I just know I'm gonna get that call...
The things we do for our loved ones.
She has never experienced anything in her life except being snowed in a for 2 days.
She has no idea...
I (almost) want to bring all of my very small family to weather any quarantine to my house, then again...- nah.
I worry too much!
MOO

Great idea.....doing it now.

 

[Henry2326]

Second Canada case announced today.....

On February 21, an adult woman arrived to Canada from China and presented at North York General Hospital's emergency department at the advice of Telehealth Ontario with an intermittent cough that was improving.

As per established infection, prevention and control protocols, the patient was cared for at North York General Hospital using all appropriate precautions including being isolated and was tested for COVID-19. Being mildly ill, the woman was discharged home and, per protocols, went into self-isolation.

Ontario Confirms Presumptive Case of COVID-19

 

[Steelhead]

CORONAVIRUS UPDATE: Community 'Not at Risk,' Says County Public Health Officer in Interview With the Outpost

The Department of Health & Human Services Public Health Branch recently announced the first confirmed case of novel coronavirus in Humboldt County. The ill individual and close contact continue to do well and are self-isolating at home while being monitored for symptoms by the Public Health Communicable Disease Surveillance and Control Unit.

Dr. Teresa Frankovich, the county’s public health officer, told the Outpost that the two local people who are currently in self-isolation in their home – one of whom was officially confirmed to have contracted the virus, the other showing symptoms – traveled back to Humboldt County from mainland China near the end of January. They hadn’t visited Hubei Province, the epicenter of the epidemic.

More at link.

 

[JerseyGirl]

I believe that someone posted there were only 10 hospitals in US that had airborne isolation rooms. I think it was @JerseyGirl .

Yes 10

4 coronavirus patients arrive at Spokane hospital for treatment in specialized unit

Coronavirus isolation rooms ready in Milwaukee

Inside An Isolation Room For Coronavirus Patients
Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital has approximately 40 isolation rooms that could be used to treat coronavirus patients.

Napa County, CA
Queen of the Valley Medical Center.

 

[MJPeony]

CORONAVIRUS UPDATE: Community 'Not at Risk,' Says County Public Health Officer in Interview With the Outpost

The Department of Health & Human Services Public Health Branch recently announced the first confirmed case of novel coronavirus in Humboldt County. The ill individual and close contact continue to do well and are self-isolating at home while being monitored for symptoms by the Public Health Communicable Disease Surveillance and Control Unit.

Dr. Teresa Frankovich, the county’s public health officer, told the Outpost that the two local people who are currently in self-isolation in their home – one of whom was officially confirmed to have contracted the virus, the other showing symptoms – traveled back to Humboldt County from mainland China near the end of January. They hadn’t visited Hubei Province, the epicenter of the epidemic.

More at link.

Why hasn’t the other person’s (the “close contact” with symptoms) test results come in yet?

 

[Steelhead]

Why hasn’t the other person’s (the “close contact” with symptoms) test results come in yet?

They may have but I haven't seen anything, yet.

 

[MJPeony]

They may have but I haven't seen anything, yet.

I suppose they’ve fallen into the same black hole as the thousands of other Americans supposedly been “monitored”.

Is the US not testing people as quickly as Italy for example? Is it because the CDC sent out poor test kits?

I just find it ominously weird that we still have so few cases here in US.... and we hear nothing back from these pending cases.

 

[Henry2326]

Meanwhile in Michigan.......can't believe she said this.....either you are quarantined or your not.....this comment falls in the NOT category.....and then, do you know who's on the list of don't ya???? Crazy......
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Lynn Sutfin with the MDHHS sent Mid-Michigan NOW a statement saying:

We have not placed anyone in a quarantine facility because the screening process has not identified any individuals as being at “high risk” of infection. However, those who are identified as being at medium risk, a group that includes all returning residents who have been to mainland China during the two weeks before their return, are being asked to practice home quarantine as much as possible and are contacted daily by local public health for the remainder of the 14 day period with a symptom check. We have about 325 individuals who have been identified that way or who were passengers on a cruise ship with a confirmed COVID-19 case. These traveler referrals meet either the “medium” or “low” risk criteria for COVID-19 monitoring. Once MDHHS receives the referral, we provide info to the local health department in the jurisdiction in which the traveler resides.Local health departments are monitoring their health, (do they have a temperature, cough, difficulty breathing) for 14 days after their last day in China or on the cruise ship.The 325 is an approximate number as that’s the number of people we have been notified about. However, some of those people may be past the 14 day window now.

325 people in Michigan being monitored due to Coronavirus

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Children's Healthcare of Atlanta has at least one! I know. We were there for 5 days 21 years ago when my son had a WICKED case of Chicken Pox.
After spending 5 days there, when we left, I didn't make it 5 miles down the road before I got a MASSIVE MIGRAINE. - perhaps the worst one ever!
That pressure change did me wrong, but protected every other child in the hospital from being exposed to Chicken Pox.
I also know a friend of my son was working in Metro Atlanta area hospitals transforming rooms to negative pressure rooms.
(No idea how many though)
MOO

Ha, times have changed. When I was young, folks did pox parties. For you young thangs, it was before vaccines were available/widespread. Moms would gather up all the kids and friends so that all got at once and as the thought also was better to get younger.

Glad all is ok with your son.

 

[Henry2326]

Geeeez.....

Shinsegae Department Store, a major South Korean retailer, said Sunday it will partially shut down one of its outlets in southern Seoul for a disinfection measure following a recent visit there by a patient diagnosed with the new coronavirus.

The store in the posh Gangnam district will close its food court at the basement level for one day, the company said.

The patient infected with the COVID-19 virus stayed at the venue for an hour on Wednesday with her husband.

The patient also attended a religious service of a minor Christian sect in Daegu, 302 kilometers south of Seoul, last week. Her infection was confirmed on Friday.

Members of the sect constitute the majority of the total coronavirus infections here, which topped 400 cases on Saturday.

Shinsegae said it has decided to maintain the operation of other floors as the patient only visited the food court and wore a face mask.

"We will take all necessary disinfection and sanitary measures to prevent the spread of the COVID-19 virus," a corporate official said.

Shinsegae Department Store shuts down food section over coronavirus fears