Deceased/Not Found CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #47

[BUF]

Talked to a relative in Bristol yesterday who reminded me we have another relative by marriage who owns a storage facility near Middle St. and ESPM. She said this storage
facility owner was always complaining about
people leaving barrels w/chemicals and hazardous materials in them, after their lease
was up and they vacated the premises.
that's why I thought a sealed barrel loaded up w/ lie
or hydrochloric acid (and a body) would not be out of place in this area. Especially if delivered to one of the drop off spots that accepts these
materials.
thanks for correcting me on the day, Alkali13, so it was
a regular work day for these facilities.
eta- or maybe FD rented a storage spot in this area and the barrel is still there.
now it would be simply a liquid sludge if chemicals were used.
Now I'm wondering if LE knows the purpose of someone being in this area?
And how much scouting around they did here?

Grrrrr....this scenario reminds me of the Tara children found in barrels in a storage unit...

 

[Diddian]

AW2 gives the average speed between all time points along trip from N.C. rest stop to 80Ms as between 57-60mph so it is unlikely he stopped anywhere along this trip. Otherwise the mph would be drastically reduced.

Thank you. I did time estimates after my post and agree that the time is too tight to have exited I-84 to take a quick side trip into Bristol. IF there was a transfer of the body mid-route, it would have to have taken place at a freeway exit or rest stop, with easy on/off freeway.

 

[enelram]

I agree with all the prior characterizations of this area. There is a small shopping center with a Stop and Shop grocer and I think a liquor store - definitely would find dumpsters here for disposal of body or items. Does anyone know what that pond/lagoon in Pine Lake Park looks like or how deep it is? If you look at the map of all the pings ( thank you @Alkali13) most are easily accessible off rt 10 with the exception of Crossroads in Bishops Corner WH. I think Bristol is a strong contender for dumping of the body. I cannot remember where the Tacoma exited rt 84 on the way back from NC - could it have exited onto rt 10 and quickly detoured to this area in Bristol before continuing on rt 10 heading north returning to Farmington? Did one of them return to the dumping spot that afternoon for some
reason ?

well someone removed the taped together black garbage bags and zip ties to throw out on Albany and her clothes. So it may have happened in Middle St. area.
Don't know depth of Pine Lake but nearby is
Lake Compounce which is very deep. Used to canoe on it many years ago and swim on the small beach area.

 

[waldojabba]

the Stop n Shop used to be down on Farmington Ave. which is several miles from this area. And Rt. 6 from Farmington area would be a more direct route, IMO.
Middle St. was a specific destination here with a purpose.
The route back from NC stopped following on 84 at a juncture which could have taken 3 different directions. Waterbury, Bristol or northerly to New Hartford and circle around to Farmington.

I will check later today, but last I was in Bristol there are two Stop and Shops - one on rt 6/Farmington Ave with the TJMaxx etc and another on Pine St close to this ping - just north of espn and closeby to the park IMO

 

[enelram]

I agree with all the prior characterizations of this area. There is a small shopping center with a Stop and Shop grocer and I think a liquor store - definitely would find dumpsters here for disposal of body or items. Does anyone know what that pond/lagoon in Pine Lake Park looks like or how deep it is? If you look at the map of all the pings ( thank you @Alkali13) most are easily accessible off rt 10 with the exception of Crossroads in Bishops Corner WH. I think Bristol is a strong contender for dumping of the body. I cannot remember where the Tacoma exited rt 84 on the way back from NC - could it have exited onto rt 10 and quickly detoured to this area in Bristol before continuing on rt 10 heading north returning to Farmington? Did one of them return to the dumping spot that afternoon for some
reason ?

well someone removed the taped together black garbage bags and zip ties to throw out on Albany and her clothes. So it may have happened in Middle St. area.
Don't know depth of Pine Lake but nearby is
Lake Compounce which is very deep. Used to canoe on it many years ago and swim on the small beach area.

I will check later today, but last I was in Bristol there are two Stop and Shops - one on rt 6/Farmington Ave with the TJMaxx etc and another on Pine St close to this ping - just north of espn and closeby to the park IMO

oh you may be right. Last time I was there was
like 20-25 yrs. ago so things may have changed.

 

[enelram]

I will check later today, but last I was in Bristol there are two Stop and Shops - one on rt 6/Farmington Ave with the TJMaxx etc and another on Pine St close to this ping - just north of espn and closeby to the park IMO

you are correct, I checked. Thanks!

 

[Deleted member 229974]

That is why I keep thinking he did not intend on killing her or plan on the blood loss. He planned on zip ties since he brought them but did not bring any cleaning supplies or anything to soak up blood.

I’m thinking that too. He planned to abduct her and murder her somewhere else, but she fought for her life and that p***** him off, so he either stabbed her or used an object to disable her. IMO. But how in the world did he not leave any DNA evidence in the kitchen other than on the faucet? Did he pull a “Dexter”and bring along plastic sheeting to cover the floor? Wear gloves?

 

[waldojabba]

I will check later today, but last I was in Bristol there are two Stop and Shops - one on rt 6/Farmington Ave with the TJMaxx etc and another on Pine St close to this ping - just north of espn and closeby to the park IMO

Replying to myself see map. Not a big detour imo

 

[Tink56]

Just chilling. Since there is no mention of blood, footprints or fingerprints on the floor or pantry in the kitchen, did FD and/or MT take the paper towels out into the garage in preparation to clean up the bloody mess
before JD returned home? If so, they were lucky LA had just restocked them. Otherwise, with all of the blood shed, you’d think something would have been left in the kitchen/pantry while they searched for paper towels. JMO

Have it ever been established the paper towels supply was kept in the kitchen. Could they have been stored in the garage?

 

[Diddian]

Just chilling. Since there is no mention of blood, footprints or fingerprints on the floor or pantry in the kitchen, did FD and/or MT take the paper towels out into the garage in preparation to clean up the bloody mess
before JD returned home? If so, they were lucky LA had just restocked them. Otherwise, with all of the blood shed, you’d think something would have been left in the kitchen/pantry while they searched for paper towels. JMO

LA had mentioned that, when she arrived at 69 Welles Ln the morning of JFd's disappearance, she noticed that the paper towel dispenser in the kitchen was empty, so she went to the pantry and discovered 10 rolls missing from the package of 12 she'd put there the day before.

Seems odd that the paper towel dispenser in the kitchen would be empty if FD (and helper, if any) had gathered rolls of paper towels for cleanup in advance of the attack.

The fact that the dispenser was empty AND ten rolls were missing suggests to me that the attack occurred first and there was a lot more blood loss than planned, so individual paper towels or the roll itself were quickly taken from the kitchen dispenser and when those weren't enough, more rolls were gathered from the pantry (that act was probably attended by a lot of profane language). Assuming LA had left the package intact when she put it in the pantry, the fact that ten rather than twelve rolls were missing suggests the rolls were taken one or two at a time, rather than grabbing the whole package. I think there was a bit of panic about the quantity of blood and the unplanned mess that quantity of blood made.

The fact that few prints were found, and those only in the garage, was likely because thorough cleanup had been attempted. House interiors also tend to be lit much more brightly than garage interiors, so it is easier to do a thorough job of cleaning inside the house.

 

[kimch33kim]

Have it ever been established the paper towels supply was kept in the kitchen. Could they have been stored in the garage?

The paper towels are in the pantry inside the kitchen per AW3

 

[enelram]

Regarding not planning for excessive blood loss:
Years back my young son was hit in the head
w/ a snowball at his school that a bratty kid had put a rock inside the snowball. Didn't know this was a thing in first grade, but the school nurse said
the little 'tough' kids did it all the time.
Anyway the school nurse bandaged his head and
the bandage was all bloody and soaked through with blood. She said"Now don't get nervous
because the head is very vascular and people don't realize how much a head wound bleeds."

Maybe FD never having been an attentive parent dealing with injuries, etc. had NO IDEA
how much blood would flow from an injured body. How would the average person know this? So I still think he meant to kill her to eradicate the problems in his life. Just get rid of the problem. The excess blood just wasn't expected or planned for.

 

[pandaknows]

Talked to a relative in Bristol yesterday who reminded me we have another relative by marriage who owns a storage facility near Middle St. and ESPM. She said this storage
facility owner was always complaining about
people leaving barrels w/chemicals and hazardous materials in them, after their lease
was up and they vacated the premises.
that's why I thought a sealed barrel loaded up w/ lie
or hydrochloric acid (and a body) would not be out of place in this area. Especially if delivered to one of the drop off spots that accepts these
materials.
thanks for correcting me on the day, Alkali13, so it was
a regular work day for these facilities.
eta- or maybe FD rented a storage spot in this area and the barrel is still there.
now it would be simply a liquid sludge if chemicals were used.
Now I'm wondering if LE knows the purpose of someone being in this area?
And how much scouting around they did here?

Chemicals in general:
Maybe related to proximity of Tolland to MA: A friend of a friend (engineer by profession) buys chemicals in PA - you know, it is cheaper than dry cleaning your clothes professionally. Just dip stain in chemical and continue on your day. Maybe lime or something else is easier to get over the state border.

Bristol:
The first thought that came into my 40 years+ CT resident (local to Fairfield though, not local to Bristol area) friend's mind when I showed him the Google map @Alkali13 posted of SW cellphone tower pings and asked him where he would put a body around there is: Lake Compounce. IDK if there is an actual lake there. Can be scoping it out for Memorial Day activities for kids that got crushed because of the court hearing.

For visual purposes and those not local, here is a map of the locations cell tower records were pulled according to the SWs. Just to remind of the when and where to go with the map:

5/23/2019 9:53 PM (EST) until 10:23 PM (EST) 4 Jefferson Crossing, Farmington, CT 06032
5/23/2019 10:10 PM (EST) until 10:40 PM (EST) 585 Middle Rd, Farmington, CT 06032
5/24/2019 7:01 AM (EST) until 7:30 AM (EST) at 4 Jefferson Crossing, Farmington, CT 06032
5/24/2019 1:20 PM (EST) until 1 :50 PM (EST) 80 Mountain Spring Rd. Farmington, CT 06032
5/24/2019 2:15 PM (EST) until 2:45 PM (EST) at 190 Old Farms Road, Avon, CT 06001
5/24/2019 2:30 PM (EST) until 3:00pm (EST) at 193 Birch Street, Bristol, CT 06010
5/24/2019 7:11 PM (EST)until 7:41 PM (EST) 26 Crossroads Plaza, West Hartford, CT 06117

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Pure speculation alert here: let's suppose that Fd had an MO: let an accomplice, preference for an athletic female, do his dirty work so he doesn't get any DNA or fingerprints or fibers on to the body as he is obviously the primary suspect.

Female accomplice chooses a knife with which she is familiar. Unexpected amounts of blood. JFd fought hard because JFd is also athletic and knew something was coming by the May 22 visitation if not before. Fd was expecting JFd to run, as she had run before. But JFd knew about the GG theory Fd was enamored with - the premise being that GG was both mentally ill and cunning (IDK, I didn't watch the entire movie and skipped all descriptions of the plot as being stupid). On May 23rd, JFd decided to be brave for her children and stay and fight, to disprove the mentally ill theory to her children, even if it meant giving up her life. Truly a brave lady.

So much blood was lost in the garage. Pillows finally had to be used to smother. The clothes were cut off because a decision was made that the condition of the body could not support any type of suicide/lost in the forest due to misadventure type death as initially planned - the body had to disappear. To disappear a body, it is easier to dispose of it in smaller pieces. Rigor mortis will set in soon. An accomplice knows how to dress deer/gut fish/mountain type activities that a tomboy growing up in SA might know. Prep work was done in the garage on the mat of the Suburban. Ten rolls of paper towels were used and the ETA for MT with cap on driving the Suburban out (at 10:25 AM was very late considering the first appointment of 10:30 AM in NYC) was missed by an hour or more.

Meanwhile, Fd left through the mudroom door, forgetting to lock it, and biked back to the Suburban and it took 40 minutes for Fd to bike through the back woods. Jealous female accomplice, instead of leaving the cell in 69 Welles, or taking the entire purse, decides to read JFd's phone while waiting in the Suburban because she is that jealous. It time stamped the murderer's location. But heck, jealous female accomplice needed to know the answer to the most important question of the day: was it JFd who was still holding Fd's heart or someone else? All MOO.

Do you think MT knew about AC?

 

[kimch33kim]

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Another pay trap but this will be interesting.
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[Alkali13]

Regarding not planning for excessive blood loss:
Years back my young son was hit in the head
w/ a snowball at his school that a bratty kid had put a rock inside the snowball. Didn't know this was a thing in first grade, but the school nurse said
the little 'tough' kids did it all the time.
Anyway the school nurse bandaged his head and
the bandage was all bloody and soaked through with blood. She said"Now don't get nervous
because the head is very vascular and people don't realize how much a head wound bleeds."

Maybe FD never having been an attentive parent dealing with injuries, etc. had NO IDEA
how much blood would flow from an injured body. How would the average person know this? So I still think he meant to kill her to eradicate the problems in his life. Just get rid of the problem. The excess blood just wasn't expected or planned for.

This. The excessive amount of blood and the seemingly unplanned manner in which it was cleaned makes me think unanticipated head wound.

 

[Tink56]

The paper towels are in the pantry inside the kitchen per AW3

Thanks!

 

[Ruminations]

remember the first time LE talked with KM was June 9th, before that he apparently was not even on their radar or was considered so
inconsequential that there was no rush to interview him.
This brings me back to thinking LE doesn't have much on him other than lying about
so much of what he does know about the planning and maybe FD's and Mt's cover-up.

Also a chronic alcoholic would not be who I'd choose to be involved in a murder for fear
their alcoholic behavior would interfere.

I don't think LE would get away with arresting a lawyer without extra-solid probable cause; I don't think a lawyer would flee until stopped at gun point unless he, too, was confident with the probable cause. LE has something.

 

[afitzy]

Just wondering how the HC obtained this...through the FOIA or maybe handed to them? My guess is the latter.


MOO

I'm not sure how this was obtained by the HC as I thought the file was sealed. I HOPE that this was not received via Atty. P. and/or Atty Rochlin or the member of Pattisville.

I hope that Atty Colangelo is watching these information disclosures from DA/HC and Atty. P. and associated discussion for violation of ongoing gag orders.

Truly IMO the ongoing attempt by Atty. P. to feebly IMO 'reinvent' recent history here about the direct role he might have played in the emotional decline and eventual suicide of Fd is simply laughable. Atty. P. and Pattisville had nearly 8 SOLID MONTHS to mount some kind defense for their client and yet IMO over and over we saw nothing disclosed to make even a weak attempt at 'reasonable doubt'. NOPE, it was rinse, wash and repeat on the victim shaming and blaming and now via DA and the HC we are simply seeing leaked sealed documents about the divorce to possibly try to explain how Fd DNA might have ended up in an unexpected location. Truly ridiculous IMO and its all too little and WAY TOO LATE.

I also don't know if its possible to be any more disappointed and disgusted with the Criminal Court Judges unwillingness or inability to police the gag order which remains in place. IMO the ongoing flaunting of the 'gag order' by Atty. P. simply warrants a report to the CT BAR and Criminal Court as since the Fd death via suicide the violations have been ongoing. What I do find so interesting is that Atty. P., just like their client Fd, seems to have an absolutely inability to look in the mirror and take any responsibility for what happened to Fd.

Its so much easier for Atty. P. to after the fact talk about a person not here to defend herself or talk about the visitation on 5/22/19 etc. It all seems so sleezy and slimy and frankly wrong to have this happened now after due to poor strategic choices IMO that the defense by Atty. P. was not only expensive but absolutely ineffective. IMO the strategy was so ineffective that the client absolutely lost confidence and chose to gas himself in his garage rather than continuing to work with Atty. P. to exonerate himself or take his case to trial.

MOO

 

[Deleted member 229974]

LA had mentioned that, when she arrived at 69 Welles Ln the morning of JFd's disappearance, she noticed that the paper towel dispenser in the kitchen was empty, so she went to the pantry and discovered 10 rolls missing from the package of 12 she'd put there the day before.

Seems odd that the paper towel dispenser in the kitchen would be empty if FD (and helper, if any) had gathered rolls of paper towels for cleanup in advance of the attack.

The fact that the dispenser was empty AND ten rolls were missing suggests to me that the attack occurred first and there was a lot more blood loss than planned, so individual paper towels or the roll itself were quickly taken from the kitchen dispenser and when those weren't enough, more rolls were gathered from the pantry (that act was probably attended by a lot of profane language). Assuming LA had left the package intact when she put it in the pantry, the fact that ten rather than twelve rolls were missing suggests the rolls were taken one or two at a time, rather than grabbing the whole package. I think there was a bit of panic about the quantity of blood and the unplanned mess that quantity of blood made.

The fact that few prints were found, and those only in the garage, was likely because thorough cleanup had been attempted. House interiors also tend to be lit much more brightly than garage interiors, so it is easier to do a thorough job of cleaning inside the house.

Ah, yes, the role on the counter...good catch. And again, if the person or persons had to make multiple trips back and forth, in a panic, through the kitchen to clean up the bloody mess without leaving a trace of evidence is pretty amazing to me, not to mention I want to know what kind of cleaner they used! Mr. Clean? Top Job? Spic N Span? As there was no mention of a Clorox smell, iirc.