DC - Twelve killed, 8 injured in shooting at Washington Navy Yard, 16 Sept 2013

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FBI PressOffice ‏@FBIPressOffice 6m
2 p.m. Press Conference @FBIWFO updating #NavyYardShooting w/ FBI Asst. Dir, @DCPoliceDept , DC US Atty, NCIS, @dcfireems, & US Park Police

 

[21merc7]

Alexis “had been treated multiple times for psychological issues, including sleep deprivation, anger and paranoia”, NBC News reported. In recent weeks he had been “hearing voices” and was treated by the VA, the AP reported. But he had not been declared mentally unfit by the Navy, a designation which would have led him to lose the security clearance he used to access the Navy Yard.

From same article:

Instead, Alexis headed to the seat of the government itself. About a month ago, he moved to the Washington D.C. area after being hired by a subcontractor to Hewlett-Packard to work on equipment used on the Navy Marine Corps Intranet network. Alexis was scheduled to start work at the Navy Yard this month, Hewlett-Packard said. It was that job that gave Alexis access to the Navy Yard, though police have said he shot his way into the building.

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/09/17/navy-shooter-had-history-of-gun-incidents-mental-health-problems/

So, maybe yesterday was supposed to be his first day at work? If paid twice monthly, his start day would have to be within the required guidelines. I agree, he planned it. Renting the AR-15 may have been back up plan if he didn't get approved for the shotgun.

Don't know the ins and outs of arrests, no trial or convictions, and simply going for psychological testing/assistance and how you would still receive security clearance, but am guessing this guy just kept barely eeking by. I did see a report that said DOD gave him clearance for this particular job.

Would like to know when contact with his parents ended. Was it before he every joined the military or after? Seems he carried a lot of resentment in general toward everyone and lot of anger, could have started much sooner than military experience.

 

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Mike Brooks on HLN also questioning the security clearance. He has also been through it. He agrees someone failed BIG TIME!

The question remains, WHO was responsible to grant that clearance???

:gavel:

 

[Elley Mae]

Alleged Navy Yard gunman had checkered military career, officials say

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...36ad0c-1fa1-11e3-8459-657e0c72fec8_story.html

Aaron Alexis was cited at least eight times for misconduct for offenses as minor as a traffic ticket and showing up late for work but also as serious as insubordination and disorderly conduct, said a Navy official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the gunman’s personnel record.

You know, I think the gov needs to be careful about/how they release people from service with (Honorable discharges) that have known problems.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...faa-11e3-8459-657e0c72fec8_story.html?hpid=z3

Contractor would not have hired shooter if past brushes with law were known

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/us/washington-navy-yard-shootings.html?pagewanted=all

Naval Yard Gunman Is Said to Have Had Mental Ills for a Decade

Navy officials said that although he had shown a “pattern of misbehavior,” which included insubordination and unauthorized absences, Mr. Alexis was given an honorable discharge from the military in January 2011 after he had applied for an early discharge under the Navy’s “early enlisted transition program.”

Those issues had led the Navy to consider forcing Mr. Alexis out of the service with a less than honorable discharge, a law enforcement official said Tuesday.

bbm, but they didn't
coulda, woulda, shoulda

 

[scorekeeper]

http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf

the problem is with the the Mental Health question.

Definition on page 4 ( I couldn't get it to copy)

It's the commitment from a court of law, etc; doesn't ask if being treated privately.

It's very hard to get someone commited in the US now due to current laws/rights of individuals.

It's a very heated debate when it comes to gun ownership.

 

[Elley Mae]

"He did have a secret clearance. And he did have a CAC (common access card)," said Thomas Hoshko, CEO of The Experts Inc, which was helping service the Navy Marine Corps Intranet as a subcontractor for HP Enterprise Services, part of Hewlett-Packard Co.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/suspected-u-shooter-had-secret-clearance-employer-says-010927653.html

Alexis had previously worked for The Experts in Japan from September 2012 to January 2013, he said.

"We had just recently re-hired him. Another background investigation was re-run and cleared through the defense security service in July 2013," Hoshko said.

Hoshko said he believed that Alexis' "secret" security clearance dated back to 2007.

bbm, http://www.dss.mil/

 

[Miss_Diana]

Washington Navy Yard Shooting Victims List: Lives Lost In Mass Killing

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...tims_n_3940206.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003

Notice, everyone is over 50 except for one ...

 

[Softail]

From same article:



http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/09/17/navy-shooter-had-history-of-gun-incidents-mental-health-problems/

So, maybe yesterday was supposed to be his first day at work? If paid twice monthly, his start day would have to be within the required guidelines. I agree, he planned it. Renting the AR-15 may have been back up plan if he didn't get approved for the shotgun.

Don't know the ins and outs of arrests, no trial or convictions, and simply going for psychological testing/assistance and how you would still receive security clearance, but am guessing this guy just kept barely eeking by. I did see a report that said DOD gave him clearance for this particular job.
Would like to know when contact with his parents ended. Was it before he every joined the military or after? Seems he carried a lot of resentment in general toward everyone and lot of anger, could have started much sooner than military experience.

DOD! :doh: I found this so far:

http://www.cac.mil/common-access-card/



U.S. DoD and/or Uniformed Services Identification Card

The standard card for qualifying civilian employees, contractors, and foreign national affiliates who need access to DoD facilities, installations, and computer systems.DoD and uniformed services civilian employees (appropriated and nonappropriated)

Eligible DoD, USCG, and NOAA contractors
Non-DoD civilian employees to include: USCG and NOAA, state employees working in support of the National Guard, Intergovernmental Personnel Act employees, and non-DoD federal employees working in support of DoD


Senior Executive Service (SES)
Civilians
Contractors
Civilian affiliates
Federal affiliates
Military affiliates

 

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ID Card Lifecycle


Step 3: Background Investigation

Sponsors will initiate a background check for potential cardholders. This process involves the following steps:
A Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) fingerprint check
A National Agency Check with Written Inquiries (NACI) check

Since the NACI process can take up to 18 months, you may be issued a CAC before the process is completed and after a favorable fingerprint return. If the NACI process is completed and you are not approved, however, your CAC will be revoked.


http://www.cac.mil/id-card-lifecycle/#sponsorship



So the FBI didn't have his fingerprints? They had to! Isn't that how he was identified?

Failure here!

 

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Presser now:

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...r-at-Navy-Yard-One-Person-Shot-223897891.html

He was the only shooter.

 

[21merc7]

ID Card Lifecycle


Step 3: Background Investigation

Sponsors will initiate a background check for potential cardholders. This process involves the following steps:
A Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) fingerprint check
A National Agency Check with Written Inquiries (NACI) check

Since the NACI process can take up to 18 months, you may be issued a CAC before the process is completed and after a favorable fingerprint return. If the NACI process is completed and you are not approved, however, your CAC will be revoked.


http://www.cac.mil/id-card-lifecycle/#sponsorship

So the FBI didn't have his fingerprints? They had to! Isn't that how he was identified?

Failure here!

FBI had his prints just from his military background. His entire record would come up for the FBI, arrests included. They have everything!

I know he was not convicted of anything, but it would have shown up. His trips to the VA Hospital would show to, but not the August one(s) as I would think his approval came before then. However, if the hospital visits did not show anything worth flagging, no one would really look into them. Seems a PTSD diagnosis would, and seems if he was diagnosed as such, he should have been on disability for it, and not working in any capacity around anything to do with military, security, or even military computers!

 

[ziggy]

He shot his way in with a shotgun and then obtained a handgun. No AR15.

 

[hollye]

ID Card Lifecycle


Step 3: Background Investigation

Sponsors will initiate a background check for potential cardholders. This process involves the following steps:
A Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) fingerprint check
A National Agency Check with Written Inquiries (NACI) check

Since the NACI process can take up to 18 months, you may be issued a CAC before the process is completed and after a favorable fingerprint return. If the NACI process is completed and you are not approved, however, your CAC will be revoked.


http://www.cac.mil/id-card-lifecycle/#sponsorship



So the FBI didn't have his fingerprints? They had to! Isn't that how he was identified?

Failure here!

From my experience, I had to provide 3 fingerprint cards and was permitted to obtain a CAC, after the preliminary screening and prior to my clearance being finalized.

 

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I missed most of the presser. What I did get was he acted alone, and there was no AR-15.

 

[Elley Mae]

Navy gunman had federal clearance despite disturbing history

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/1...nce-despite-disturbing-history/#ixzz2fB4g1V00

This needs to be looked at close, how many more are there?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/17/navy-gunman-had-federal-clearance-despite-disturbing-history/

 

[LaborDayRN]

NO! They could not have know him. It was reported that yesterday was his first day of work there!

Thanks. My mistake. I guess the point I was trying to make was that at the bases in Cali, you usually drive on base, not walk.

 

[KMouse]

http://www.myfoxboston.com/link/657736/newport-police-report

FOX 25 News Boston ‏@fox25news 1m
READ: Newport police report explaining hotel incident involving accused #navyyardshooting suspect Aaron Alexis

 

[Isabelle]

My DH mentioned earlier that he thought that a clearance was good for 10 years and that he obtained clearance before any incidents and that it was still active. Complaints of invasion of privacy have been an issue in keeping the agencies informed.

 

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My DH mentioned earlier that he thought that a clearance was good for 10 years and that he obtained clearance before any incidents and that it was still active. Complaints of invasion of privacy have been an issue in keeping the agencies informed.

He just had it renewed in July of this year.

 

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Pentagon to order security review, as questions mount over shooter's access


The decisions come as the incident once again raises concerns about the quality of the background checks being done for those in sensitive government positions, particularly for contractors. Shooter Aaron Alexis had been working as a defense subcontractor, and had his security clearance renewed just two months before the rampage -- despite a history of troubling and violent behavior. Twelve people, in addition to the gunman, were killed in the shooting


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ions-mount-over-shooter-access/#ixzz2fBSIGwk7


I don't care what anyone says, I think the FBI failed those innocent people. Unless I see otherwise, that's my story and I'm sticking to it! :gavel:

The problem I have now, is how many others are out there ticking and getting ready to explode? :dunno: Clearly they were conducting shoddy or lazy, or just plain incompetent background checks! IMO :twocents: