DC - Twelve killed, 8 injured in shooting at Washington Navy Yard, 16 Sept 2013

[Karmady]

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but I'm glad that Virginia has this law in place, otherwise there would have probably been many, many more victims. JMO, OMO, and MOO.

State law prevented sale of an assault rifle to suspect

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/us/state-law-stopped-gunman-from-buying-rifle-officials-say.html

Wait, an upthread post said the shooter was armed with an AR-15 (assualt rifle, yes?). The poster attributed that to CNN iirc, but definitely the msm. Was that not correct?

Also, do we know whether he tried to buy an assualt rifle in VA and was denied due to the law?

 

[AngelWings444]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_1...tched-messages-into-shotgun-used-in-massacre/

Navy Yard shooter etched messages into shotgun used in massacre

(CBS News) WASHINGTON -- Sources say Aaron Alexis left behind two short phrases on the side of the shotgun used in the Washington Navy Yard massacre.

One of the messages scratched into the gun's metal reads, "Better off this way." The other is more cryptic: "My ELF weapon."

 

[AngelWings444]

Wait, an upthread post said the shooter was armed with an AR-15 (assualt rifle, yes?). The poster attributed that to CNN iirc, but definitely the msm. Was that not correct?

Also, do we know whether he tried to buy an assualt rifle in VA and was denied due to the law?

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ar15-gun-control-navy/2013/09/18/id/526467

AR-15 Widely Misidentified by Media as Weapon in Navy Yard Shooting

FBI Assistant Director Valerie Parlave said at a press briefing on Tuesday that Alexis used a shotgun in the rampage in which 12 were killed, not an assault rifle, as many news outlets and gun-control advocates had reported.

"We have no information that he had an AR-15 assault rifle in his possession," Parlave said. "He may have gained access to a handgun ... after he began shooting."

**They are saying the 12 gauge buckshots were a very slow and painful death to the victims.

 

[Flinders]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_1...tched-messages-into-shotgun-used-in-massacre/

Navy Yard shooter etched messages into shotgun used in massacre

(CBS News) WASHINGTON -- Sources say Aaron Alexis left behind two short phrases on the side of the shotgun used in the Washington Navy Yard massacre.

One of the messages scratched into the gun's metal reads, "Better off this way." The other is more cryptic: "My ELF weapon."

BBM


ELF definition military -
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Extra Low Frequency
Extreme Low Frequency - See more at: http://www.allacronyms.com/cat/2/ELF#sthash.CqUgmxch.dpuf

 

[21merc7]

Elf Weapons:

Biohazards of Extremely Low Frequencies (ELF)

http://www.earthpulse.com/src/subcategory.asp?catid=1&subcatid=4

http://electronicharassment.weebly.com/specific-elf-weapons.html

there are more articles if you google.

And this was linked in an above article:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/psycho...n-nervous-system/5319111#sthash.bbKxE1iK.dpuf

 

[gxm]

Wait, an upthread post said the shooter was armed with an AR-15 (assualt rifle, yes?). The poster attributed that to CNN iirc, but definitely the msm. Was that not correct?

Also, do we know whether he tried to buy an assualt rifle in VA and was denied due to the law?

It's being reported that the shooter tried to buy an AR-15. Whether that's true or not is anybody's guess.

If the buyer is an out-of-state resident, the dealer would then ship the weapon to the buyer's home state where a background check would be conducted. At the time of purchase in Virginia, however, the buyer would have to show two proofs of residence with matching addresses and then a proof of citizenship. This is all according to federal law when it comes to sales of the AR-15, which are administered by the ATF.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_...tried-to-buy-assault-rifle-but-was-unable-to/

 

[BigCat]

It's being reported that the shooter tried to buy an AR-15. Whether that's true or not is anybody's guess.

If the buyer is an out-of-state resident, the dealer would then ship the weapon to the buyer's home state where a background check would be conducted. At the time of purchase in Virginia, however, the buyer would have to show two proofs of residence with matching addresses and then a proof of citizenship. This is all according to federal law when it comes to sales of the AR-15, which are administered by the ATF.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_...tried-to-buy-assault-rifle-but-was-unable-to/

The gun shop owner is denying it.

"Mr. Alexis did not attempt to buy an AR-15 from Sharpshooters Small Arms Range," Attorney J. Michael Slocum told TPM in an email. "He asked about purchasing a handgun (no brand specified) but he was told that he could not purchase a handgun except for delivery to his home state through another Federally-licensed firearm dealer. He then decided to purchase the Remington 870 express shotgun."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/lawyer-for-gun-shop-alexis-did-not-try-to-buy-ar-15

I could see a scenario in which AA made a tactical decision that a shotgun would be easier to conceal and reassemble than an AR-15. He may have also believed the shotgun to be more effective weapon for use in close quarters.

Of course, he may have just preferred the blood splatter produced by a shotgun. If he played a lot of video games, that is not as outrageous as it may sound.

Who really knows for sure what is going through the mind of someone who would commit such an act?

JMO

 

[21merc7]

2 articles are not making me feel any better about security.

This one, we already knew this, but it is sort of spelled out:

Union rep: Cutbacks cost lives in Navy Yard shooting

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/19/meely-navy-yard-shooting-understaffed/2837045/

And this quote:

Navy Secretary Ray Mabus, meanwhile, announced Wednesday night that he wants three rapid reviews completed by Oct. 1, including whether a contracting company should inform the Navy if it decides to review a worker's security clearance.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162...ion-focuses-on-aaron-alexis-erratic-behavior/

I am concerned about, obviously the "cutbacks" we are all so tired of hearing in everyday life, much less National Security (and the rest of the world knowing), and the speed in which an investigation into this is asked to be done. Really? October 1! Do fast and do it cheap is not cutting it. That is what got us here to begin with. :sigh:

 

[Elley Mae]

I am listening to the benghazi hearings now, (c span) and they are on the security and why it is minimal, it appears to be the problem all over. I don't know when this happened but security should not be lessened.

 

[sophiafox]

I have been working on a base for over 10 yrs. Before that was a dependant spouse and before that an active duty AF member.
If someone wants to bring a gun on base and shoot people it will happen. Only when I worked at Langley AFB were there measures that would not allow that to happen. They locked down all of the gates and had a drug dog as well as an explosive dog go through every car. This did not happen every day but we (even as us in Explosive Ordnance Disposal) were not told when it would happen. IF you had guns they were confiscated. If you had tools that belong to the base (even if you were on call and had to have these tools to respond to a call) they were confiscated. At that time Norfolk Shipyard was guarded by Marines. That was one tough base to get into and they always had M16s on their shoulder. Now bases are guarded by civilians and planes are fixed by civilians and may of the other duties on base are done by civilians. There is good and bad in that. You know an active duty person can go loco just as well as a civilian.
I think we need to focus on veterans health care and make them more responsible for reporting and taking care of people like this. Clearly he had mental problems and shouldn’t have been in the regular work force for our safety. BUT then he would be 100% disabled and be on social security. That would cost money

 

[LinasK]

I have been working on a base for over 10 yrs. Before that was a dependant spouse and before that an active duty AF member.
If someone wants to bring a gun on base and shoot people it will happen. Only when I worked at Langley AFB were there measures that would not allow that to happen. They locked down all of the gates and had a drug dog as well as an explosive dog go through every car. This did not happen every day but we (even as us in Explosive Ordnance Disposal) were not told when it would happen. IF you had guns they were confiscated. If you had tools that belong to the base (even if you were on call and had to have these tools to respond to a call) they were confiscated. At that time Norfolk Shipyard was guarded by Marines. That was one tough base to get into and they always had M16s on their shoulder. Now bases are guarded by civilians and planes are fixed by civilians and may of the other duties on base are done by civilians. There is good and bad in that. You know an active duty person can go loco just as well as a civilian.
I think we need to focus on veterans health care and make them more responsible for reporting and taking care of people like this. Clearly he had mental problems and shouldn’t have been in the regular work force for our safety. BUT then he would be 100% disabled and be on social security. That would cost money

Better money than lives lost!!

 

[danzn16]

BBM


ELF definition military -
Equipment List File
Extra Low Frequency
Extreme Low Frequency - See more at: http://www.allacronyms.com/cat/2/ELF#sthash.CqUgmxch.dpuf

http://c.washingtontimes.com/neighb...-extremely-low-frequency-clue-alexis-motives/

“ELF” may be a reference to “extremely low frequency” and is a term applied to microwave technology.

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[danzn16]

Wait, an upthread post said the shooter was armed with an AR-15 (assualt rifle, yes?). The poster attributed that to CNN iirc, but definitely the msm. Was that not correct?

Also, do we know whether he tried to buy an assualt rifle in VA and was denied due to the law?

Media is quick to blame AR15s. He had a shotgun. Remember Biden said Americans should not have AR15 but should get shotguns instead, and that you could still protect your home but it wouldn't be a mass casualty threat? Well obviously it is still. And so are handguns as we saw at VT. But yet still the media runs with ARs for some reason.


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[Karmady]

Better money than lives lost!!

It takes almost no money for a military contractor to run a background check that reveals a general discharge and documented discipline issues. He should never have been hired. I wonder why he was anyway. jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/navy-yard-gunman-complained-noise-linen-closet-kicked/story?id=20310445

"He stood in front of us," Boyd told ABC News. "He was no more than two feet away from us, and he would just keep saying, 'Is she laughing at me?" And we were like, 'No.' Then he just got angry. ... You could tell his behavior, something wasn't right with him mentally."

bbm

 

[Elley Mae]

Daily logs kept by the hotel detailed how on successive nights, he knocked on doors to find the voices, woke up a person in one room and frightened another so badly she asked to move. Then came a call from his employer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/20/u...avy-yard-gunmans-path-to-tragedy.html?hp&_r=0


“Brenda from The Experts Inc. called re: Mr. Alexis in 407,” a Residence Inn employee noted in a log dated Aug. 7 that was reviewed by The New York Times.

“She explained that he is unstable and the company is bringing him home,” the entry continued. “She asked me to check the room (it was vacant), and check him out.”

Mr. Alexis, a computer specialist who led an itinerant life, traveling to naval installations around the country to service their systems, seemed aware of his emotional problems, telling friends he suffered from depression and post-traumatic stress disorder. But it is not clear whether he ever sought mental health treatment. Visiting an emergency room at a veterans’ medical center in August, he said only that he was having trouble sleeping, according to the Department of Veterans Affairs.

“You could see there was something very wrong with him,” she said, adding that she felt he could easily become violent. “We said, he’s either on drugs or he’s mental.”

Michael Ritrovato, who met Mr. Alexis at an Asian festival, said he seemed more interested in finding ways to meet Thai women. “Maybe he meditated,” Mr. Ritrovato said. “But he wasn’t like the monks.” He added, “He was a big-time Asian-girl person.”

A few of Mr. Alexis’ friends in the Fort Worth area said he drank often. “We’d go to any kind of bar,” Mr. Suthamtewakul said.

 

[Elley Mae]

very interesting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24163244

Four Cert team members wearing full tactical gear and armed with HK-416 assault weapons arrived on scene at Navy Yard at 08:36 (12:36 GMT) on Monday, after reports surfaced of an active gunman at the complex at 08:20.

When the Capitol Police team radioed their superiors, they were told by a watch commander to leave the scene, the BBC was told.

One officer close to the situation called the lack of communication from department leadership "unforgivable".

bbm somebody got some explaining to do. jmo

According to sources, an officer with the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD), Washington DC's main municipal force, told the Capitol Cert officers they were the only police on site equipped with long guns, and requested their help stopping the gunman.

If thing tidbit is true then it appears the suspect was shot with a pistol. jmo

 

[Gardenlady]

Daily logs kept by the hotel detailed how on successive nights, he knocked on doors to find the voices, woke up a person in one room and frightened another so badly she asked to move. Then came a call from his employer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/20/u...avy-yard-gunmans-path-to-tragedy.html?hp&_r=0


“Brenda from The Experts Inc. called re: Mr. Alexis in 407,” a Residence Inn employee noted in a log dated Aug. 7 that was reviewed by The New York Times.

“She explained that he is unstable and the company is bringing him home,” the entry continued. “She asked me to check the room (it was vacant), and check him out.”

Mr. Alexis, a computer specialist who led an itinerant life, traveling to naval installations around the country to service their systems, seemed aware of his emotional problems, telling friends he suffered from depression and post-traumatic stress disorder. But it is not clear whether he ever sought mental health treatment. Visiting an emergency room at a veterans’ medical center in August, he said only that he was having trouble sleeping, according to the Department of Veterans Affairs.

“You could see there was something very wrong with him,” she said, adding that she felt he could easily become violent. “We said, he’s either on drugs or he’s mental.”

Michael Ritrovato, who met Mr. Alexis at an Asian festival, said he seemed more interested in finding ways to meet Thai women. “Maybe he meditated,” Mr. Ritrovato said. “But he wasn’t like the monks.” He added, “He was a big-time Asian-girl person.”

A few of Mr. Alexis’ friends in the Fort Worth area said he drank often. “We’d go to any kind of bar,” Mr. Suthamtewakul said.

Wow, creepy, reading that article - DH and I have been to the new temple in Raynham where he went while at Newport!

 

[Sonya610]

Media is quick to blame AR15s. He had a shotgun. Remember Biden said Americans should not have AR15 but should get shotguns instead, and that you could still protect your home but it wouldn't be a mass casualty threat? Well obviously it is still. And so are handguns as we saw at VT. But yet still the media runs with ARs for some reason.

Exactly, and by saying HE USED AN AR-15 people will believe that even though it has now been proven to be COMPLETELY false.

Fact is since he was shooting from a balcony a shotgun with buckshot would probably be more effective, the blasts would hit multiple people. He would have actually had to AIM an AR and that would have slowed things down and likely resulted in fewer deaths from such long distance shots. The other people would have run.

 

[Sonya610]

I could see a scenario in which AA made a tactical decision that a shotgun would be easier to conceal and reassemble than an AR-15. He may have also believed the shotgun to be more effective weapon for use in close quarters.

A shotgun wouldn't be easier to break down and conceal. AR's sold for civilian use are very user friendly because the are made like the battlefield weapons. Light weight, light recoil, super easy to take apart and snap back together by pushing 1 or 2 pins.

Since in some parts of the world it is not unusual to have child soldiers that may only be 11 or 12 years old the weapons are also designed to be used comfortably by smaller individuals and they are kept simple as complicated doesn't work well at night on the battlefield when the adrenaline is gushing.

That is also why so many women prefer them over shotguns and such.