Details Emerge: Casey/Cindy Fight - Part 2

[JWG]

*snip*

Thanks, BeanE. You're the best. :blowkiss:

I've been looking for the opportunity for when Casey & Lee might've had time to share the she-said-she-said, Casey-version of the 'choking' IF it happened on 6/7 as we've kinda been noodlin' out following Devon's more recent highlighting of this event.

Two things to consider...

First...here are the cell contacts between Casey & Lee for the period of interest. I truncated them after the first contact on 7/4 just to emphasize that there WASN'T much 'tween them ~6/15 via cell. Again, noting Lee indicated to Tony (IIRC) that he was outta town 3 out of 4 weeks in June, which by default...had to be the last-3.

Date DOW Time Type From To Call Duration (min)
6/8/08 SUN 8:19:05 PM INCOMING TEXT Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony
6/8/08 SUN 8:19:52 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)
6/8/08 SUN 8:21:31 PM INCOMING TEXT Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony
6/8/08 SUN 8:23:11 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)
6/8/08 SUN 8:23:34 PM INCOMING TEXT Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony
6/9/08 MON 1:24:46 PM INCOMING TEXT Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony
6/9/08 MON 1:35:14 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)
6/9/08 MON 3:36:11 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)
6/9/08 MON 3:43:55 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)
6/10/08 TUE 8:40:43 PM INCOMING CALL Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony 1
7/4/08 FRI 1:38:52 AM INCOMING TEXT Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony


The timing of these contacts ~6/8 & 9 have always appeared to me to be somehow related to perhaps Lee's traveling outta town (note all but one of them are texts...methinks phone call or face-to-face would be mandatory for a 'heart pouring'...Of course, I've secretly wondered if these were arrangements for where to find the key to the house, blah, blah...I won't belavor that point further :bang:

Second...by now I hope peeps understand we can't say with great certainty via pings when Casey was @ G&C's vs. Lee's. On another thread in the Case Analysis Forum (Lee's House...) they've been doin' some excellent sleuthin' trying to determine if any info has ever been provided that places Casey @ Lee's ever. For now...the only thing I can point to in order to SUGGEST Casey might be @ Lee's is the pattern of the cell pings on the towers.

One must undertand that when known to be @ G&C's, Casey's cell pings bounce back and forth primarily between 2 and sometimes 3 towers that form a triangle of sorts around their house & Lee's. The bouncing is pretty random...2 pings on tower A, 1 ping on tower B, 1 ping on tower A, etc.

However...from 10:30-11:24PM on Sunday, 6/8, 18 pings in a row are carried by the tower that is closest to Lee's house (of the 3). Now, during this time Casey is having a text-fest w/ Ricardo w/ the single-longest break being 20mins @ 10:53PM...otherwise...1 break of 9mins and several of <4mins.

So...IF there was an opportunity for Casey to pour her heart out to Lee re: a fight w/ Cindy involving being choked, etc., perhaps it happened face-to-face @ Lee's house ~11PM Sunday 6/8.

ETA: Just checked the entire period, and the above ties w/ only 3 other instances during the entire 6/1-6/17 period for most-pings-in-a-row-on-a-single-tower-near-G&C's. Wanna guess what was what single date/time was the only one to beat them? Cindy's Birthday, 6/5, 9:21-9:58PM. Lee stated the last time he saw Caylee was @ G&C's on Cindy's birthday. After 9PM, surely Caylee was asleep. Seems plausible Casey may have left for Lee's that evening for awhile...which may lend some creedence to the pings Sunday 6/8 10:30-11:24PM also being from Lee's, hence, possible "Mom tried to choke me!" blah, blah, blah...that night.

This is a very important post, IMHO. :bowdown:

I, like many others, have assumed that the big fight :soldier: occurred the evening of June 15. The fight was so bad it presumably caused KC to fly off into a rage :rage: and kill Caylee the next day. However, the pings don't support KC leaving that evening or the next day until after 4 PM, and Tony's testimony to LE was that he and KC had lovey-dovey :blowkiss: texts that night into the wee hours of June 16.

If we were to conclude, however, that the big fight took place on June 7, as I believe you are suggesting Bond, then pings start to fall into place. :thumb: So does KC's beginning to spend the night away from home. Even more importantly, it helps provide further explanation as to why the Anthony family initially remembered June 9 as the last time they saw Caylee. The events of those days - June 7 to June 9 - contained significant, memorable events in the Anthony family.

This, IMO, would mean Caylee was not killed in an explosive rage. She either died in an accident, or was killed with forethought, KC having had a week to think about it, and possibly plan for it. :furious:

Thanks for thinking out of the box here, Bond! resent:

 

[Theonly1]

This is a very important post, IMHO. :bowdown:

I, like many others, have assumed that the big fight :soldier: occurred the evening of June 15. The fight was so bad it presumably caused KC to fly off into a rage :rage: and kill Caylee the next day. However, the pings don't support KC leaving that evening or the next day until after 4 PM, and Tony's testimony to LE was that he and KC had lovey-dovey :blowkiss: texts that night into the wee hours of June 16.

If we were to conclude, however, that the big fight took place on June 7, as I believe you are suggesting Bond, then pings start to fall into place. :thumb: So does KC's beginning to spend the night away from home. Even more importantly, it helps provide further explanation as to why the Anthony family initially remembered June 9 as the last time they saw Caylee. The events of those days - June 7 to June 9 - contained significant, memorable events in the Anthony family.

This, IMO, would mean Caylee was not killed in an explosive rage. She either died in an accident, or was killed with forethought, KC having had a week to think about it, and possibly plan for it. :furious:

Thanks for thinking out of the box here, Bond! resent:

Yes! I think even with all we have discovered about Casey, that people seemingly still want (or wanted) to think she acted at the tail end of a fight and the premeditation took minutes and not weeks or months; not that duration of premeditation would mitigate her sentence legally, but some people may have thought the fight pushed Casey into something she may not have otherwise done. However, in my mind, it is entirely possible she acted in VERY cold blood--ice cold. I have no problem going with the theory that she could have been muddling over Caylee's (or even Cindy and George's) demise for quite a long time (see searches for neckbreaking, dangerous household chemicals, chloroform, etc.).

After all, the chloroform didn't spontaneously appear in her trunk. Someone either bought the chloroform online or purchased the ingredients from the grocery store and then followed the "recipe".

 

[SuziQ]

I think in the week preceeding Caylee's death, that KC was all into her new guy, new life and was really feeling the restrictions placed on her by Cindy and Caylee. She knew from AL's statement that bringing Caylee along was not a possibility. And actually I don't think KC cared if she brought Caylee into her new life or not. I think she simply wanted to be free, but hated her mom too much to give Caylee to her. Cindy may have ramped up the effort to take Caylee from Casey and Cindy had been quetioning Caylee and Caylee spilled the beans. The verbal fights between KC and CA seem to be a common occurence, so what was different this time? I'm still feeling that the big one happened on June 15th. A choking incident would be the type of fight that would cause someone to leave and never go back. I'm thinking if poor Caylee told Cindy about some stuff, especially sleeping in RM's bed a few days before, that would cause Cindy to wring Casey's neck.

 

[jjgram]

That's what makes me wonder how in the world CA can deny they had a fight. I was also trying to remember if the neighbors reported they heard the fight and what time it occurred. I know I read it somewhere, but can't recall. I think trouble had been stewing for quite sometime, what with CA visiting a therapist to try to figure out what to do about Casey and all. In my opinion, I also think CA does feel some guilt about what happened to Caylee. For what it's worth I don't think she should, but I bet she does. Here she's been watching Caylee all day, Casey finally decides to grace them with her presence and what does she do? Immediately gets on the phone with Tony. Now that would tick me off just a bit too.

:waitasec: :waitasec:
:furious: :furious: :furious:

A F I G H T////////// vs A heated:furious: C O N V E R S A T I O N ! ! !



at the " A " house it could have just been something....

they were a c u s t o m e d ~ to...........

might not ~ NOT ~ have seemed like a FIGHT to them....

You ~ know ~ what I mean ! ! ?

JMO

God Bless !
jjgram

**** I would have called it a FIGHT !

they might called it a Disagreement..... etc.... ?

 

[SuziQ]

After all, the chloroform didn't spontaneously appear in her trunk. Someone either bought the chloroform online or purchased the ingredients from the grocery store and then followed the "recipe".

(your post respectfully snipped)
And add to this the fact that Casey was telling people she was going to own her parent house. It really makes the searches and the traces of chloroform seem sinister. Chloroform is a worthless way to put someone to sleep as it lasts only about 20 minutes. But it sure is effective in killing someone! I have wondered at times whether Casey's parents were supposed to go bye bye, but something happened suddenly, warranting a change of plans and it was suddenly Caylee that needed to go bye bye.

 

[Lanie]

FWIW, it has been stuck in my head from when this first came out that Casey 'moved out' on June 9. My thoughts are I read something that made me think this right at the beginning, but I can't remember what it was, and I haven't been able to find it. This is a large part of why I have never been convinced there was a fight between Cindy and Casey on June 15th, I kept thinking there was a fight during the weekend before, and Casey got mad and said she was leaving home.
Lanie

 

[Lexington]

(your post respectfully snipped)
And add to this the fact that Casey was telling people she was going to own her parent house. It really makes the searches and the traces of chloroform seem sinister. Chloroform is a worthless way to put someone to sleep as it lasts only about 20 minutes. But it sure is effective in killing someone! I have wondered at times whether Casey's parents were supposed to go bye bye, but something happened suddenly, warranting a change of plans and it was suddenly Caylee that needed to go bye bye.

IMO 20 minutes would have been long enough if KC was able to get C and G into the pool at the same time, close together and douse them both with chloroform. She could have made an excuse that she wanted to get a photo of them and then out comes the rag. Two adults drowning in a backyard pool at the same time would surely arouse LE suspicion, but this is KC so she wouldn't have thought that one through, only that her mission was accomplished.

 

[debs]

IMO 20 minutes would have been long enough if KC was able to get C and G into the pool at the same time, close together and douse them both with chloroform. She could have made an excuse that she wanted to get a photo of them and then out comes the rag. Two adults drowning in a backyard pool at the same time would surely arouse LE suspicion, but this is KC so she wouldn't have thought that one through, only that her mission was accomplished.

Are you suggesting that this waif-like creature was capable of controlling two adults from the other side of the pool, while pouring chloroform onto rags and holding it against their faces until they passed out???

 

[AZlawyer]

*snip*

Thanks, BeanE. You're the best. :blowkiss:

I've been looking for the opportunity for when Casey & Lee might've had time to share the she-said-she-said, Casey-version of the 'choking' IF it happened on 6/7 as we've kinda been noodlin' out following Devon's more recent highlighting of this event.

Two things to consider...

First...here are the cell contacts between Casey & Lee for the period of interest. I truncated them after the first contact on 7/4 just to emphasize that there WASN'T much 'tween them ~6/15 via cell. Again, noting Lee indicated to Tony (IIRC) that he was outta town 3 out of 4 weeks in June, which by default...had to be the last-3.

Date DOW Time Type From To Call Duration (min)
6/8/08 SUN 8:19:05 PM INCOMING TEXT Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony
6/8/08 SUN 8:19:52 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)
6/8/08 SUN 8:21:31 PM INCOMING TEXT Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony
6/8/08 SUN 8:23:11 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)
6/8/08 SUN 8:23:34 PM INCOMING TEXT Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony
6/9/08 MON 1:24:46 PM INCOMING TEXT Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony
6/9/08 MON 1:35:14 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)
6/9/08 MON 3:36:11 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)
6/9/08 MON 3:43:55 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)
6/10/08 TUE 8:40:43 PM INCOMING CALL Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony 1
7/4/08 FRI 1:38:52 AM INCOMING TEXT Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony


The timing of these contacts ~6/8 & 9 have always appeared to me to be somehow related to perhaps Lee's traveling outta town (note all but one of them are texts...methinks phone call or face-to-face would be mandatory for a 'heart pouring'...Of course, I've secretly wondered if these were arrangements for where to find the key to the house, blah, blah...I won't belavor that point further :bang:

Second...by now I hope peeps understand we can't say with great certainty via pings when Casey was @ G&C's vs. Lee's. On another thread in the Case Analysis Forum (Lee's House...) they've been doin' some excellent sleuthin' trying to determine if any info has ever been provided that places Casey @ Lee's ever. For now...the only thing I can point to in order to SUGGEST Casey might be @ Lee's is the pattern of the cell pings on the towers.

One must undertand that when known to be @ G&C's, Casey's cell pings bounce back and forth primarily between 2 and sometimes 3 towers that form a triangle of sorts around their house & Lee's. The bouncing is pretty random...2 pings on tower A, 1 ping on tower B, 1 ping on tower A, etc.

However...from 10:30-11:24PM on Sunday, 6/8, 18 pings in a row are carried by the tower that is closest to Lee's house (of the 3). Now, during this time Casey is having a text-fest w/ Ricardo w/ the single-longest break being 20mins @ 10:53PM...otherwise...1 break of 9mins and several of <4mins.

So...IF there was an opportunity for Casey to pour her heart out to Lee re: a fight w/ Cindy involving being choked, etc., perhaps it happened face-to-face @ Lee's house ~11PM Sunday 6/8.

ETA: Just checked the entire period, and the above ties w/ only 3 other instances during the entire 6/1-6/17 period for most-pings-in-a-row-on-a-single-tower-near-G&C's. Wanna guess what was what single date/time was the only one to beat them? Cindy's Birthday, 6/5, 9:21-9:58PM. Lee stated the last time he saw Caylee was @ G&C's on Cindy's birthday. After 9PM, surely Caylee was asleep. Seems plausible Casey may have left for Lee's that evening for awhile...which may lend some creedence to the pings Sunday 6/8 10:30-11:24PM also being from Lee's, hence, possible "Mom tried to choke me!" blah, blah, blah...that night.

Thanks, Bond! I need to go back to the transcript of CA's deposition--I bet if they asked her if there was a fight "on June 15" when the fight was actually on June 9 she would have felt perfectly justified saying "there was no such fight" and acting all offended and outraged at the very suggestion, just based on the date being wrong.

 

[SuziQ]

FWIW, it has been stuck in my head from when this first came out that Casey 'moved out' on June 9. My thoughts are I read something that made me think this right at the beginning, but I can't remember what it was, and I haven't been able to find it. This is a large part of why I have never been convinced there was a fight between Cindy and Casey on June 15th, I kept thinking there was a fight during the weekend before, and Casey got mad and said she was leaving home.
Lanie

According to phone pings, Casey was at the A's house every night Mon-Thurs, until the next day till usually around 11ish when she'd leave to go to Al's apartment. The only exception is Friday she goes to Fusion and then to Al's till 3:52 am, then she goes back to the A's house. I really don't see anywhere that Casey "moved out" on the 9th.

 

[cecybeans]

At some point (it is somewhere in the Sunshine doc release or in one of her many "interviews"), Cindy said she washed the pants at about 4:00 p.m.

Thanks for nailing that time down; I thought it was something like that. My point in that post was to indicate that GA had plenty of time to putz around in the trunk before CA got around to washing those pants.

I will be very interested in what they find in those vac hoses...

 

[SuziQ]

I'm thinking that it was common for Casey and Cindy to fight and Casey to run to a friends or maybe Lee's to get away from her mom. I think that's why she might have run to RM's house because Lee was out of town. But IMO, it was not the big one. The big one would have caused Casey to leave and not go back.

 

[SuziQ]

From our case calendar. KC's cell phone pings appear to support that she was staying at home between 6-10 and 6-15. Unless she was at Lee's or sleeping in her car everynight, it looks like she was still living there. After the 15th she only goes back sporadically during the day.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/cal...o=displaymonth

June 10th: 4:29 pm - cell towers near Anthony home until midnight into the next day

June 11th: 8:25 pm - cell tower pings near the Anthony home until midnight into the next day

June 12th: 6:13 pm - cell tower pings near Anthony home past midnight into the next day

June 13th: She was at Fusions and then Tony's till 3:15am.

June 14th: 3:12 am - cell tower pings near Anthony home until . . .
11:57 am - cell tower pings near Econlockhatchee Trail near Anthony home until . . .

June 15th: 3:48 pm - cell tower pings near Anthony home until past midnight into the next day

 

[beach]

This is a very important post, IMHO. :bowdown:

I, like many others, have assumed that the big fight :soldier: occurred the evening of June 15. The fight was so bad it presumably caused KC to fly off into a rage :rage: and kill Caylee the next day. However, the pings don't support KC leaving that evening or the next day until after 4 PM, and Tony's testimony to LE was that he and KC had lovey-dovey :blowkiss: texts that night into the wee hours of June 16.

If we were to conclude, however, that the big fight took place on June 7, as I believe you are suggesting Bond, then pings start to fall into place. :thumb: So does KC's beginning to spend the night away from home. Even more importantly, it helps provide further explanation as to why the Anthony family initially remembered June 9 as the last time they saw Caylee. The events of those days - June 7 to June 9 - contained significant, memorable events in the Anthony family.

This, IMO, would mean Caylee was not killed in an explosive rage. She either died in an accident, or was killed with forethought, KC having had a week to think about it, and possibly plan for it. :furious:

Thanks for thinking out of the box here, Bond! resent:

mercy, mercy .... sounds entirely plausible, heck even more probable than the 6/15 fight date i was married to.

the A's wear me out. no kidding. they emotionally & intellectually kick my arse. how does anyone have the energy to live with all these lies, hate, drama, etc...?!? it exhausts me out just trying to keep up and make sense of it.

the only good thing is it makes me feel like my family is entirely 'functional'. LOLOL

 

[Sunshine52]

The neighbors heard it and Mark Fuhrman says GA &CA told him about it, it's in the LE report, here:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2810987/...sed-Nov-26-004

Page,139
or
Hand numbered, 2499

This is weird because here is a quote from MF on Greta...


VAN SUSTEREN: Did the parents or the grandparents -- did they say anything to corroborate that, or Lee, or anyone say anything that would tend to corroborate the neighbor's statement?

FUHRMAN: No. Exactly the opposite. In fact, I asked Cindy Anthony and George if there was a fight that they had with Casey that weekend or any time close to the time when she took Caylee and left, and they absolutely said not. And that seems to be, you know, a direct conflict with a neighbor who on that weekend said that there was, you know, an argument.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right, Mark. Thank you.

FUHRMAN: Thanks, Greta.


So what is up with MF having two different versions???

here is link...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402098,00.html

 

[PattyCake]

I think it's both (re: above posts on this page).

KC planning it for a long time AND awaiting the perfect time to do such a thing. Then I think she hid Caylee's body in the yard and waited for the perfect time to dump Caylee and attempt to get her car stolen in order to blame it on a car jacker or something like that.

I think the fight resulted in the choking incident and that was enough for KC to put her plans and thoughts into action. Put her over the edge in one way but remained calm and calculated because her decision was made. I think a sociopath can have a controlled rage???

How she actually did what she did to Caylee, just beyond my comprehension. I can only hope that Caylee was drugged first before her own mom smothered her with chloroform. (not sure if that's the way to word it... I can only hope? - no disrespect to Caylee).

 

[ibyoungr]

What you mean? Bombshell? Like a "tell all moment"?

Cindy will learn how much her daughter hates her. That all of her lies to support her daughter was for nothing. Casey wants us all to see how bad her mom is. Everytime Cindy opens her mouth to support Casey we hate Cindy more correct? Casey hates her mother and feels justified when we hate her too.

The last communication from Casey to her family was the note he read regarding the memorial. Did that sound like a daughter that loves her mother and was thanking her for her support?
No.

Casey did not even acknowledge them in court and only did so on another occasion when prompted.

I expect to see Casey on 24 hour mystery or Dateline in 10 years telling us she did kill Caylee, but she did not mean too, her mother harped and controlled every minute and she just snapped, that she did not even remember what happened to Caylee until all these years spent in jail and therapy. Whether or not this is untrue is a moot point.

The point is Casey will find a way to blame Cindy... and Cindy's bombshell is she made a fool out of herself for a daughter who cares so little for her.

 

[ZubenElSchemali]

This is weird because here is a quote from MF on Greta...


VAN SUSTEREN: Did the parents or the grandparents -- did they say anything to corroborate that, or Lee, or anyone say anything that would tend to corroborate the neighbor's statement?

FUHRMAN: No. Exactly the opposite. In fact, I asked Cindy Anthony and George if there was a fight that they had with Casey that weekend or any time close to the time when she took Caylee and left, and they absolutely said not. And that seems to be, you know, a direct conflict with a neighbor who on that weekend said that there was, you know, an argument.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right, Mark. Thank you.

FUHRMAN: Thanks, Greta.


So what is up with MF having two different versions???

here is link...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402098,00.html

Good catch Sunshine. I don't see a name attached as author of the time line pages but I believe it is Melich. So the question becomes is Mark Furman telling two different stories or is LE writing the details the way they want them to be to build their case. While I could be convinced that Mark Furman isn't above planting evidence I don't see what he would have to gain by telling the public one thing and LE another. He has to try to protect whatever good name he has left and build a new persona. That leads me to believe the reports are embellished, to put it kindly, unless there is another possible explanation. Would Greta want the story painted this way? The fight would give her a bigger story. But I haven't observed her to be the type to tell stories rather than simply report, unlike so many others. I haven't watched her a lot though.

This along with other things I've seen give me understanding into certain statements Cindy has made and why they started out so very cooperative but began to pull back. There are clearly more mistruths than just Casey's here.

The date on the timeline given to Mark F is Aug. 7 Greta talking to Mark F is Aug. 11 so it seems to most likely be the same interview.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Thanks ibyoungr (post #297). Thats what I feel might happen. Have wondered what would go thru CA's head if KC throws her under the bus. If she gets the big bombshell, will she ever know it. When a person sees a rabid dog, they usually don't call the dog "sweetheart" and pat it on the head. Guess, most of us are more down to earth than this bunch is.

I just can't understand why CA can't see that KC hates her. She had red flags, she has said red flags from the start--then stopped saying it, in fact saying there weren't any red flags.

 

[Devon]

*snip*

Thanks, BeanE. You're the best. :blowkiss:

I've been looking for the opportunity for when Casey & Lee might've had time to share the she-said-she-said, Casey-version of the 'choking' IF it happened on 6/7 as we've kinda been noodlin' out following Devon's more recent highlighting of this event.

Two things to consider...

First...here are the cell contacts between Casey & Lee for the period of interest. I truncated them after the first contact on 7/4 just to emphasize that there WASN'T much 'tween them ~6/15 via cell. Again, noting Lee indicated to Tony (IIRC) that he was outta town 3 out of 4 weeks in June, which by default...had to be the last-3.

Date DOW Time Type From To Call Duration (min)
6/8/08 SUN 8:19:05 PM INCOMING TEXT Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony
6/8/08 SUN 8:19:52 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)
6/8/08 SUN 8:21:31 PM INCOMING TEXT Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony
6/8/08 SUN 8:23:11 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)
6/8/08 SUN 8:23:34 PM INCOMING TEXT Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony
6/9/08 MON 1:24:46 PM INCOMING TEXT Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony
6/9/08 MON 1:35:14 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)
6/9/08 MON 3:36:11 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)
6/9/08 MON 3:43:55 PM OUTGOING TEXT Casey Anthony Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell)
6/10/08 TUE 8:40:43 PM INCOMING CALL Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony 1
7/4/08 FRI 1:38:52 AM INCOMING TEXT Lee "The Brosef" Anthony (Cell) Casey Anthony


The timing of these contacts ~6/8 & 9 have always appeared to me to be somehow related to perhaps Lee's traveling outta town (note all but one of them are texts...methinks phone call or face-to-face would be mandatory for a 'heart pouring'...Of course, I've secretly wondered if these were arrangements for where to find the key to the house, blah, blah...I won't belavor that point further :bang:

Second...by now I hope peeps understand we can't say with great certainty via pings when Casey was @ G&C's vs. Lee's. On another thread in the Case Analysis Forum (Lee's House...) they've been doin' some excellent sleuthin' trying to determine if any info has ever been provided that places Casey @ Lee's ever. For now...the only thing I can point to in order to SUGGEST Casey might be @ Lee's is the pattern of the cell pings on the towers.

One must undertand that when known to be @ G&C's, Casey's cell pings bounce back and forth primarily between 2 and sometimes 3 towers that form a triangle of sorts around their house & Lee's. The bouncing is pretty random...2 pings on tower A, 1 ping on tower B, 1 ping on tower A, etc.

However...from 10:30-11:24PM on Sunday, 6/8, 18 pings in a row are carried by the tower that is closest to Lee's house (of the 3). Now, during this time Casey is having a text-fest w/ Ricardo w/ the single-longest break being 20mins @ 10:53PM...otherwise...1 break of 9mins and several of <4mins.

So...IF there was an opportunity for Casey to pour her heart out to Lee re: a fight w/ Cindy involving being choked, etc., perhaps it happened face-to-face @ Lee's house ~11PM Sunday 6/8.

ETA: Just checked the entire period, and the above ties w/ only 3 other instances during the entire 6/1-6/17 period for most-pings-in-a-row-on-a-single-tower-near-G&C's. Wanna guess what was what single date/time was the only one to beat them? Cindy's Birthday, 6/5, 9:21-9:58PM. Lee stated the last time he saw Caylee was @ G&C's on Cindy's birthday. After 9PM, surely Caylee was asleep. Seems plausible Casey may have left for Lee's that evening for awhile...which may lend some creedence to the pings Sunday 6/8 10:30-11:24PM also being from Lee's, hence, possible "Mom tried to choke me!" blah, blah, blah...that night.

Thank you for adding real flesh to my little chicken bone of a theory BJB!

Just want to point out that CA complained to someone (can't recall who off hand - ? co-worker) that she hardly saw KC around the time of her vacation in early June, and that she didn't even bother to turn up for her birthday on June 5. So since the pings on the 5th seem to have a similarity in pattern to those of the 8th, maybe KC stayed overnight at Lee's on both of these dates.