Do you think a Stungun was used?

[narlacat]

<<Finally, can someone refresh my memory about JR allegedly having a manual or a video regarding stun guns?>>

The police found a promotional security video in John Ramsey's home office.
A segment of the video contained information on stun guns.
John claims he was browsing in a security shop and was given the video, but had never watched it.

 

[WolfmarsGirl]

Hello everyone!! Every time I pop in and see the old 'stun gun' talk, I have to reply.

Here is my link:

http://www.geocities.com/wolfchick942003/photopage.html

I will be back to talk more in a bit.

 

[narlacat]

Hi Wolfgirl

Interesting.

Makes more sense than the stun gun theory.
I never believed a stun gun was used on JonBenét.

 

[Tricia]

A stun gun was not used.

I would have no problem betting my life, your life, and the lives of everyone I know on the fact that a stun gun was not used.

Same goes for an intruder. There was no such person. The killer came from inside the house.

 

[concernedperson]

I guess I couldn't have said it any better.

 

[UKGuy]

The Stun-Gun is part of Lou Smit's Fantasy Intruder Theory, and it has been demonstrated as being inconsistent with the forensic evidence.

Those marks on JonBenet's body are contusions, and likely result from being punched by someone wearing a ring, or using a household item as a weapon to hit JonBenet.

My take on them is that its possible that as JonBenet was being sexually assaulted she tried to escape resulting in her being constrained by her collar, then being hit around the head and body, so JonBenet uses her arms and legs to protect herself resulting in the contusions, then the focus of the blows returns to the head, with one resulting in the fracture that kills her?


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[philamena]

UKGUY,
I agree with your post completely.

 

[Ames]

I do not think that the marks were made by a stun gun. I don't know WHAT made the marks, but I am convinced that it wasn't a stun gun.


A. Patsy's rings
B. Christmas lights on the staircase
C. JB's potholder making loom


Its one of the above..IMO

 

[philamena]

Ames,
I waver between Patsy's rings and the potholder loom.

 

[Ames]

Hi Wolfgirl

Interesting.

Makes more sense than the stun gun theory.
I never believed a stun gun was used on JonBenét.

DITTO!! I totally agree...

 

[Ames]

Ames,
I waver between Patsy's rings and the potholder loom.

Those really are the two that I waver between too. I don't think that her skin would have been in contact with the Christmas lights long enough.

 

[philamena]

Those really are the two that I waver between too. I don't think that her skin would have been in contact with the Christmas lights long enough.

Exactly. I don't think she was assaulted and murdered near those lights.

 

[Ames]

Exactly. I don't think she was assaulted and murdered near those lights.

Me either...I believe the blow to the head came while she was in the bathroom...and she was later carried down to the basement.

 

[JMO8778]

I do not think that the marks were made by a stun gun. I don't know WHAT made the marks, but I am convinced that it wasn't a stun gun.


A. Patsy's rings
B. Christmas lights on the staircase
C. JB's potholder making loom


Its one of the above..IMO

good post,I agree (see my quote) ..it goes against the logic of what the weapon does ! what else needs to be said?

 

[Ames]

good post,I agree (see my quote) ..it goes against the logic of what the weapon does ! what else needs to be said?

Agreed!!

 

[JMO8778]

Hello everyone!! Every time I pop in and see the old 'stun gun' talk, I have to reply.

Here is my link:

http://www.geocities.com/wolfchick942003/photopage.html

I will be back to talk more in a bit.

Looks like a good match to me..it certainly makes more sense than a stun gun..which makes no sense at all !
Dr Spitz says she was manually strangled with a shirt collar,with the perp's knuckles causing the abrasions.I wonder if anyone has attempted to demonstrate if that scenerio would work with the rings? Maybe putting a turtleneck on a child-size manniquin and twisting the collar while wearing the rings, to see how that would match up with the marks.A styrofoam (if they still make them ! I don't know) one might show the marks that could made with them.

 

[UKGuy]

Looks like a good match to me..it certainly makes more sense than a stun gun..which makes no sense at all !
Dr Spitz says she was manually strangled with a shirt collar,with the perp's knuckles causing the abrasions.I wonder if anyone has attempted to demonstrate if that scenerio would work with the rings? Maybe putting a turtleneck on a child-size manniquin and twisting the collar while wearing the rings, to see how that would match up with the marks.A styrofoam (if they still make them ! I don't know) one might show the marks that could made with them.

JMO8778,

http://www.geocities.com/wolfchick942003/photopage.html

I agree that a ring(s) caused some of those contusions, which seems to be the simplest and least complex explanation. As the photos suggest its also consistent with the forensic evidence? Or is it, was Patsy wearing rings to the White's party, were they on her hands the following morning?

The scenario would work with rings, Spitz's speculation about the compressed neck abrasion being caused by JonBenet's collar is well known to forensic examiners.

I'm less confident about attributing all the contusions to rings, but they may be, evidently her killer picked something up and whacked her on the head with it. Is it possible that some of the contusions result from the same object used to deliver the fatal head blow?

The number of injuries on JonBenet's head and body, imo, rule out that it was an accident!

It appears not to be an accidental death, but a deliberate homicide!


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[JMO8778]

JMO8778,

http://www.geocities.com/wolfchick942003/photopage.html

I agree that a ring(s) caused some of those contusions, which seems to be the simplest and least complex explanation. As the photos suggest its also consistent with the forensic evidence? Or is it, was Patsy wearing rings to the White's party, were they on her hands the following morning?

The scenario would work with rings, Spitz's speculation about the compressed neck abrasion being caused by JonBenet's collar is well known to forensic examiners.

I'm less confident about attributing all the contusions to rings, but they may be, evidently her killer picked something up and whacked her on the head with it. Is it possible that some of the contusions result from the same object used to deliver the fatal head blow?

The number of injuries on JonBenet's head and body, imo, rule out that it was an accident!

It appears not to be an accidental death, but a deliberate homicide!


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I totally agree...NO accident ! Someone wanted her dead !!
Weren't there some items associated with the fireplace that were taken as evidence??I wonder if a fireplace poker could have been used on her???

 

[BBB167893]

The Stun-Gun is part of Lou Smit's Fantasy Intruder Theory, and it has been demonstrated as being inconsistent with the forensic evidence.

More than that: he pulled it totally out of thin air. If the coroner had come to him and said, "Lou, I think such-and-such, but the cops won't listen to me, maybe you will," it wouldn't be so suspect. Conclusion first, evidence afterwards. That may work with the Red Queen, but not here.

 

[Credence]

UKGuy,

How many credible interpretations and explanations are there, other than a stun gun, for the presence of matching twin rectangular injuries found in three different locations on JonBenet that are the exact same size, shape and distance apart as the twin metal probes on a Taser brand stun gun?

IMO there are none. A stun gun was likely used on JonBenet.

BlueCrab

I also disagree with the 100%. But I fnd no other credible alternative explanations for those marks. In addition to that Stratbucker admitted in his depo had he seen other photos other than the ones NBC showed him he may have changed his opinion re: the marks. He did a bit of back-stepping in his depo IMO and wasn't as sure that they were not stun gun marks as the depo continued.

Sue Kitchen, CBI Investigator also agreed they could have been stun gun marks and was the one who suggested that Doberson look at them. Another pathologist from Larimer County, Dr. Robert Deters was so convinced that they were stun gun marks that he believed exhumation of the body was unnecessary.