Do you think a Stungun was used?

[Jayelles]

I also disagree with the 100%. But I fnd no other credible alternative explanations for those marks. In addition to that Stratbucker admitted in his depo had he seen other photos other than the ones NBC showed him he may have changed his opinion re: the marks. He did a bit of back-stepping in his depo IMO and wasn't as sure that they were not stun gun marks as the depo continued.

Sue Kitchen, CBI Investigator also agreed they could have been stun gun marks and was the one who suggested that Doberson look at them. Another pathologist from Larimer County, Dr. Robert Deters was so convinced that they were stun gun marks that he believed exhumation of the body was unnecessary.

Could you post examples of Stratbucker backtracking?

 

[Credence]

Could you post examples of Stratbucker backtracking?

This is the issue with Stratbucker's depo. He says he did his report based on monochrome photographs, internet photos and photos provided by NBC. He NEVER looked at the crime scene photographs. If he had he may have come to a different conclusion had he believed the photographs were "authentic". Yet he makes a report on who knows what generation of copies of photos. He had already made up in his mind that those marks were not going to be associated with stun gun marks before he even looked at any photos and takes the case pro-bono? Why do you think he did that? Hoffman had to withdraw him as a witness because his report was torn apart and was just not credible. JMO

 

[Jayelles]

This is the issue with Stratbucker's depo. He says he did his report based on monochrome photographs, internet photos and photos provided by NBC. He NEVER looked at the crime scene photographs. If he had he may have come to a different conclusion had he believed the photographs were "authentic". Yet he makes a report on who knows what generation of copies of photos. He had already made up in his mind that those marks were not going to be associated with stun gun marks before he even looked at any photos and takes the case pro-bono? Why do you think he did that? Hoffman had to withdraw him as a witness because his report was torn apart and was just not credible. JMO

Specific examples? Perhaps using quotes from the deposition?

I am not referring to any ASSumptions which might be drawn as a result of Lin Wood's specific line in tactical questioning.

 

[Credence]

Specific examples? Perhaps using quotes from the deposition?

I am not referring to any ASSumptions which might be drawn as a result of Lin Wood's specific line in tactical questioning.

I think I have become confused with the threads. I posted it another one on p11 so I guess this discussion is elsewhere as well???

I do find your use of the word above with in caps offensive and uncalled for. It is my interpretation of the depo and not assumptions.

 

[BBB167893]

Stratbucker said in 2001 that he was supplied the stuff by Lou Smit and told him no. Smit never talked to him again. Hmm.

 

[Ames]

Stratbucker said in 2001 that he was supplied the stuff by Lou Smit and told him no. Smit never talked to him again. Hmm.

Yes...hmmmmm...veerrrryyyy interesting.

 

[BBB167893]

He was polite, but it's pretty clear Lou was doing a bit of shopping.

 

[DeeDee249]

I think a stun gun was used on JBR. I've always felt that the use of the stun gun and the parents' involvement were not mutually exclusive. Some believe that if a stun gun was used, that it would have to point to an intruder. I disagree. Anyone cruel enough to strangle a child, sexually assault her with a broken, sharp paintbrush handle, and punch out a gaping hole in her skull with a flashlight/log grabber/golf club/baseball bat would have NO problem using a stun gun, parent or not.

 

[BBB167893]

Then let me hit you with this:

What do you make of an instructional video on stunners being in the home?

 

[DeeDee249]

To me, it indicates that the stun gun was used by a family member, as I said. The R's camp seemed to embrace the idea of a stun gun because they felt it pointed to an intruder. They felt no one would think one of the parents would ever use a stun gun on their child.
But I feel that line of thinking is flawed. A parent that can murder their child is certainly capable of using a stun gun during the crime.
Many of you are very good at pulling up R quotes- I recall JR discussing the stun gun video during an interview, and saying it was for something else, like they were THINKING of getting one, somethink like that...
He did say it was in Spanish, as if to imply that he couldn't have understood how to use it anyway because he didn't understand Spanish.
How ridiculous. I also think it's ridiculous that JR expects people to believe that he only had the video and not the actual stun gun just because it was in Spanish. I've seen BIC lighters that come with instructions in Spanish- that doesn't mean I couldn't figure out how to use it.

 

[Ames]

Then let me hit you with this:

What do you make of an instructional video on stunners being in the home?

I still believe that Patsy flew into a rage induced frenzy and harmed her daughter...to the point of no return, and then the staging began. I wonder if the stun gun (if one was used) could have been used afterward, as part of the staging...to make it APPEAR that the invisible intruder did it??

 

[Ames]

To me, it indicates that the stun gun was used by a family member, as I said. The R's camp seemed to embrace the idea of a stun gun because they felt it pointed to an intruder. They felt no one would think one of the parents would ever use a stun gun on their child.
But I feel that line of thinking is flawed. A parent that can murder their child is certainly capable of using a stun gun during the crime.
Many of you are very good at pulling up R quotes- I recall JR discussing the stun gun video during an interview, and saying it was for something else, like they were THINKING of getting one, somethink like that...
He did say it was in Spanish, as if to imply that he couldn't have understood how to use it anyway because he didn't understand Spanish.
How ridiculous. I also think it's ridiculous that JR expects people to believe that he only had the video and not the actual stun gun just because it was in Spanish. I've seen BIC lighters that come with instructions in Spanish- that doesn't mean I couldn't figure out how to use it.

LOL..good point. Why would they keep instructions that were written in Spanish ANYWAY?? Were they planning on taking Spanish lessons? I believe that John probably COULD read Spanish, and like you said, even if he couldn't....a stun gun wouldn't be that hard to figure out. (I have watched COPS...way too many times)...all you have to do is place it on the skin and push the button....doesn't seem that difficult.

 

[JMO8778]

I still believe that Patsy flew into a rage induced frenzy and harmed her daughter...to the point of no return, and then the staging began. I wonder if the stun gun (if one was used) could have been used afterward, as part of the staging...to make it APPEAR that the invisible intruder did it??

possibly,but they pushed the stun gun theory pretty hard, and then wouldn't let JB be exhumed to determine for sure if it was a stun gun or not,so I have to wonder about that.

 

[Ames]

possibly,but they pushed the stun gun theory pretty hard, and then wouldn't let JB be exhumed to determine for sure if it was a stun gun or not,so I have to wonder about that.

Yeah, I know. The fact that they pushed the stun gun theory so hard....imo....means that it wasn't the cause of those marks. Somebody said..."those look like stun gun marks"...and John and Patsy said...."Uhhhh...stun gun marks? Ummmm....YEAH, we bet that the intruder used a stun gun. Uhhhhhh....yeah, now that we think about it....ummm...they couldn't have been made with anything else. Yeah, stun gun....that's the ticket". PLUS...as you have said....THAT and the fact that they didn't want to have her body exhumed. I have always thought that those marks were made by Patsy's rings....but, I just thought that I would throw the Stun gun marks being made as maybe part of the staging out there. Another thing, a stun gun would cause burn marks....the autopsy calls them "abrasions".

 

[Solace]

Yeah, I know. The fact that they pushed the stun gun theory so hard....imo....means that it wasn't the cause of those marks. Somebody said..."those look like stun gun marks"...and John and Patsy said...."Uhhhh...stun gun marks? Ummmm....YEAH, we bet that the intruder used a stun gun. Uhhhhhh....yeah, now that we think about it....ummm...they couldn't have been made with anything else. Yeah, stun gun....that's the ticket". PLUS...as you have said....THAT and the fact that they didn't want to have her body exhumed. I have always thought that those marks were made by Patsy's rings....but, I just thought that I would throw the Stun gun marks being made as maybe part of the staging out there. Another thing, a stun gun would cause burn marks....the autopsy calls them "abrasions".

During one of Patsy's questioning periods, she was asked about a stun gun and she replied "What's a stun gun"? She is so believable isn't she.

Also, I thought it was provent that it was NOT a stun gun. That is what I thought I read - any help here?

 

[Ames]

During one of Patsy's questioning periods, she was asked about a stun gun and she replied "What's a stun gun"? She is so believable isn't she.

Also, I thought it was provent that it was NOT a stun gun. That is what I thought I read - any help here?

That's pretty funny. She also "thought" that the pineapple and cream that was in the bowl was GRITS. Yeah, right Patsy....:liar:

 

[JMO8778]

Yeah, I know. The fact that they pushed the stun gun theory so hard....imo....means that it wasn't the cause of those marks. Somebody said..."those look like stun gun marks"...and John and Patsy said...."Uhhhh...stun gun marks? Ummmm....YEAH, we bet that the intruder used a stun gun. Uhhhhhh....yeah, now that we think about it....ummm...they couldn't have been made with anything else. Yeah, stun gun....that's the ticket". PLUS...as you have said....THAT and the fact that they didn't want to have her body exhumed. I have always thought that those marks were made by Patsy's rings....but, I just thought that I would throw the Stun gun marks being made as maybe part of the staging out there. Another thing, a stun gun would cause burn marks....the autopsy calls them "abrasions".

I think it was Smit that first brought up the stun gun theory..go figure.I don't trust anything he has to say,he was never objective.I think he was brought into the case to 'find' an intruder,and that's what he did.Of course the unreal intruder will never be found b/c he doesn't exist.

 

[JMO8778]

During one of Patsy's questioning periods, she was asked about a stun gun and she replied "What's a stun gun"?

and JR said "can you buy those?"

 

[Ames]

and JR said "can you buy those?"

Geesh. Yes, of course you can John...YOU should know, because you had the instruction manual (in Spanish). No, John....you can NOT buy stun guns...you just pray for them, and they fall right out of the sky. Its a MIRACLE!!!

 

[UKGuy]

If you were to use a stun-gun on a corpse then the type of injuries would be distinctly different postmortem, as to if they were recieved when the person was alive.

So why would one of Burke, John or Patsy be applying a stun-gun to JonBenet shortly after a pineapple snacking session?



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