Dr. Phil w/George and Cindy Anthony Air Date 9/13 and 9/14 2011 Thead # 2

[Just K]

George is a like an onion. He is a hard nut to crack and his true life story would make for very interesting psychological research and studies. On one hand he seems weak, spineless, the patsy and scapegoat but what motivates him to play or to stay in this role is a mystery. Does Cindy or someone else hold something from the past over his head? Is he lazy and looking for the free ride or has he just been beaten down so long that he just accepts his fate as the whipping boy?

Some people actually like being dominated and do have moments of clarity where they lash out. Others realize, often when they think it is too late, that they are in a position that they hate. They are married to or involved with someone who benefits even derives pleasure from appearing as if they "have to be" in control. Afterall, the worse Georgie comes off or the more he is made to appear as the F@#$ up the better the partner appears.

If a person is labeled a f@#$ up too many times and that person is too scared or too weak to directly stand up to his accusers then he might passive aggressively lash out...like "visiting" a woman with questionable character who is definitely "not a ten" and gambling away the family funds, etc.

George Anthony would be quite the interesting case study and it seems no one is certain what motivates him to behave in any of the ways he has in any of the situations where he is a participant.

 

[rotterdam]

Nothing weak about Georgie IMO. Frankly, I even think that he has a violent temper that he controls pretty good.. He is a free loader period and will use any avenue to get easy money. Even stupid ones like gambling or Nigerian scams because his greed will take over his common sense . He has found his niche now and will hang around CA until he will not financial benefit from it anymore. If he thought , he can do financially better solo, he will leave her in a New York minute.

 

[Just K]

Nothing weak about Georgie IMO. Frankly, I even think that he has a violent temper that he controls pretty good.. He is a free loader period and will use any avenue to get easy money. Even stupid ones like gambling or Nigerian scams because his greed will take over his common sense . He has found his niche now and will hang around CA until he will not financial benefit from it anymore. It he thinks , he can do better solo, he will leave her in a New York minute.

One has to wonder if he started out this way or if life in that marriage led him to the poor choices he made. The gambling and Nigerian scam came before he "left" the marriage. Perhaps he wanted a little nest egg for himself once he got away from the two CMAs?

 

[rotterdam]

One has to wonder if he started out this way or if life in that marriage led him to the poor choices he made. The gambling and Nigerian scam came before he "left" the marriage. Perhaps he wanted a little nest egg for himself once he got away from the two CMAs?

Well, we never heard much about George's side of the family. And you kind of wonder why. We do kind of know he did not get along with his father (fight?)apparently since George started his own car lot. I am kind of baffled why that failed. After all an alleged gifted grifter like him should be good in selling used cars:floorlaugh:

 

[21merc7]

Nothing weak about Georgie IMO. Frankly, I even think that he has a violent temper that he controls pretty good.. He is a free loader period and will use any avenue to get easy money. Even stupid ones like gambling or Nigerian scams because his greed will take over his common sense . He has found his niche now and will hang around CA until he will not financial benefit from it anymore. If he thought , he can do financially better solo, he will leave her in a New York minute.

I saw a few shots of the Dr. P interview on The Today Show the other morning right when they were saying it was coming up next.

The look on GA's face as CA was talking to Dr. P (I don't know what about b/c they were not really showing the bit yet) was incredulous and filled with contempt. I would not hesitate to think that once the money is "usable" and enough to do so, that he may just go find himself a lovely apartment somewhere. With a little nest egg and a disability check he could get far away from the psycho he is chained to.

Problem is, he still has whatever after effects of being part of that CA family all these years. He still has to take take himself with him wherever he goes, but he stands a better chance at having some sort of peace in these last years of life if he just breaks free of all contact from CA and FKC.

 

[21merc7]

Apparently Cindy wanted a law where it would be really easy and inexpensive to take custody of a child away from its parent without having to tell the truth (imagine that). This is the scenario she would have preferred imo:

Cindy (in court): Your Honor, my daughter Casey is the mother of the year. She is the best mother that has ever existed in the history of the world. However, she seems to be suffering from a brain tumor, seizure disorder, and postpartum schizophrenia [even though the birth was almost 3 years ago]. These health problems that I diagnosed her with are putting Caylee in jeopardy. I don't have any medical records or examples of Casey's behavior to show you. I'm also not going to take Casey to a doctor for evaluation. I just think you should award me custody of Caylee right now.
Judge: Okay, whatever you want.

Lol, and this is exactly what CA is saying to the world with The Foundation, and why I kept saying that is why there are Courts and attorneys for these types of issues. A lot more grandparents out there just like what you just described than anyone wants to know. Just go to your local Juvenile and Domestic Relations Court one day when you find out they are having the "custody docket", sit in there, watch and listen. You will be shocked. *I am in no way putting down the grandparents that are trying for custody if there truly is a need, those cases exist too.

 

[rotterdam]

I saw a few shots of the Dr. P interview on The Today Show the other morning right when they were saying it was coming up next.

The look on GA's face as CA was talking to Dr. P (I don't know what about b/c they were not really showing the bit yet) was incredulous and filled with contempt. I would not hesitate to think that once the money is "usable" and enough to do so, that he may just go find himself a lovely apartment somewhere. With a little nest egg and a disability check he could get far away from the psycho he is chained to.

Problem is, he still has whatever after effects of being part of that CA family all these years. He still has to take take himself with him wherever he goes, but he stands a better chance at having some sort of peace in these last years of life if he just breaks free of all contact from CA and FKC.

I do not think there is much love lost between those two, even before the Caylee tragedy. However, they are now entwined in their practically criminally insane "Sister Act ". The money will make them stay together for the time being.

 

[BellaVita]

George is a like an onion. He is a hard nut to crack and his true life story would make for very interesting psychological research and studies. On one hand he seems weak, spineless, the patsy and scapegoat but what motivates him to play or to stay in this role is a mystery. Does Cindy or someone else hold something from the past over his head? Is he lazy and looking for the free ride or has he just been beaten down so long that he just accepts his fate as the whipping boy?

Some people actually like being dominated and do have moments of clarity where they lash out. Others realize, often when they think it is too late, that they are in a position that they hate. They are married to or involved with someone who benefits even derives pleasure from appearing as if they "have to be" in control. Afterall, the worse Georgie comes off or the more he is made to appear as the F@#$ up the better the partner appears.

If a person is labeled a f@#$ up too many times and that person is too scared or too weak to directly stand up to his accusers then he might passive aggressively lash out...like "visiting" a woman with questionable character who is definitely "not a ten" and gambling away the family funds, etc.
George Anthony would be quite the interesting case study and it seems no one is certain what motivates him to behave in any of the ways he has in any of the situations where he is a participant.

ITA. I do think he had an affair with RC but who cares. When I first heard about it, I thought good for him! Over the last few days I've been thinking the same thoughts about George as you. I have Cindy totally figured out but George is still somewhat of a mystery.

 

[BellaVita]

Perhaps you are right.... although I have a feeling Cindy likes being the master lol/mistress/decision maker of the house and she is the one that dictates what George wears and how he dresses. Imo, she sees it as a reflection on her as being a 'good wife' and appearances are everything to CA.

I doubt she insisted that George work. She would much rather say that she had to do everything. I just find everything done by Cindy has an ulterior motive. Didn't he get hurt when he was on the police force and draws a disability check?

With him not working it keeps him right where she wanted him. Under her rule and thumb.IMO

You are so right. Controllers want you under their thumb. If you get out and about and feel good about yourself, you come to see that what is going on at home is not normal. CA didn't really mind about Casey not working either. It has often been commented on about the Anthonys' lack of friends and extended family being there for them. That is by design of CA. A narcissistic person really only can have acquaintances. Never a true frienship that involves sharing and giving of yourself. If you let someone close, they could see what is really going on in your home. Narcissists are very secretive and nothing is to be broadcast outside the immediate family. I was always interested to know that Casey never brought friends to the house. It was speculated that was because Casey wanted to keep her lies intact by seperating people. I'm sure that was true at some point but I also think that CA was probably very critical of outsiders. It was probably not worth the resulting hassle of having friends over. I also know from experience that kids recognize very early on when their home life is not quite right. Even though it is not overt physical/sexual abuse, you feel it in your bones. You really don't want to invite friends because it causes tension and there is heck to pay afterward.

 

[Peazzzer]

Rotterdam! Thank you for your summation of George-the ultimate metro sexual Peter Pan! I have tried but could never find the words. I have never had one iota of empathy or sympathy for either of them. To me, Geo has helped with the public perception of Cindy carrying his cajones on her person while he sits back doing what he feels like doing when he feels like it. Cunning. He is a puppeteer, pulling the manipulation strings while letting her think she is in control. How many times I watched him puff himself up w the protesters for the camera and she does the bashing batcarp crazy verbage! gah! I bet a thousand to one she didnt know he was talking to LE when he so magnanimously walked in and announced to them she didnt know he was there. He knew what role his was in all of this was going to be, the same as it always was-poor George...I dont know if this will make any sense but after watching the vids of the DP interview I kept thinking of the old saying that religous people go to church to stay out of hell while spiritual people go to church because they been there. Jmo and I dont fully understand what thats supposed to mean w the As yet, but I will sooner or later. George keeping Cindy in charge of kc s behavior kept her very busy because he stated before he might lose it and they wouldnt like how he handled it was more manipulation by bluster but also absolved him of any guilt of her misdeeds, but could be placed on her. IMO,Geo fanned the flames, kept it up and drew the neg attn away from himself and continued it on DP. OK, I have to stop! my phone keyboard is killing me!

 

[BellaVita]

Certainly it is part of it. If Cindy admits there was a "murder", then she has to admit that she left this child in harm's way and she did nothing to protect her. She tells Dr. Phil that she thought she worked at Universal and then Phil shows her the July 3rd letter and she says she did not know that KC was not working at Universal and that is why she went there.

However, she did tell Jesse Grund that he is wasting his time with her and that she had no job and no future and KC told her to shutup. She told Ryan Paisley she thought KC was a sociopath and to stay away from her. She was stealing upwards of a 1000 a month and sometimes more in the beginning of 2008 - and then it went on to about 3 to 4 hundred a month and when she was cut off, what did KC do? She searched for chloroform.

Cindy knows and she had ample time to stop screwing around and take the baby from her. She said she did not have the money to pay for a nanny if she took custody. That is rich, because KC was stealing hundreds of dollars a month from her - that would pay for the nanny.
No one ever thinks your child will murder - however, with actions this egregious, at the very least Cindy should have been extremely worried about where Caylee was all day when she was supposedly with the sitter. They never even checked on who the sitter was.

Would any of you consider letter your grandchild who lives in your home be with someone you don't know or never met. Riggggggggggggggt Cindy, you knew nothing at all, and you left Caylee in harm's way and that is really it.

I doubt she could have taken legal custody but she sure could have taken some steps to change things. First thing for me would have been taking the car away. Hide the keys, return the plates and cancel the insurance. Maybe even sell it to recoup some money. If the cell phone was in my name, I would have cancelled service. Early termination fee be damned. Change the passwords to all accounts, report debit/credit cards as lost/stolen and get new ones. Keep it all under lock and key. Keep the computers under lock and key and password protected. Casey would only be allowed their use under my supervision. Tell Casey you will continue to do all you can for Caylee and you will help her too if she chooses to go to school or look for a job. Instead of a power struggle and telling Casey she has to stay home, let her do whatever she wants. If she wants to leave all weekend, let her go. Because you can't make her want to be a good mother. But you can take away access to money, etc. Alot of you have written that she needed to be made responsible for Caylee. It was way late for that. Caylee was just a huge ball and chain that she was stuck with forever. I think maybe George should have been stay-at-home grandpa and not worried about working. That solves the babysitter problem. I think without computer, car, cell phone things would get boring fast and Casey might go to school or get a job. Maybe not and maybe Caylee would have been murdered anyway. I can't stand CA but I don't think she could have foreseen what happened.

 

[rotterdam]

Rotterdam! Thank you for your summation of George-the ultimate metro sexual Peter Pan! I have tried but could never find the words. I have never had one iota of empathy or sympathy for either of them. To me, Geo has helped with the public perception of Cindy carrying his cajones on her person while he sits back doing what he feels like doing when he feels like it. Cunning. He is a puppeteer, pulling the manipulation strings while letting her think she is in control. How many times I watched him puff himself up w the protesters for the camera and she does the bashing batcarp crazy verbage! gah! I bet a thousand to one she didnt know he was talking to LE when he so magnanimously walked in and announced to them she didnt know he was there. He knew what role his was in all of this was going to be, the same as it always was-poor George...I dont know if this will make any sense but after watching the vids of the DP interview I kept thinking of the old saying that religous people go to church to stay out of hell while spiritual people go to church because they been there. Jmo and I dont fully understand what thats supposed to mean w the As yet, but I will sooner or later. George keeping Cindy in charge of kc s behavior kept her very busy because he stated before he might lose it and they wouldnt like how he handled it was more manipulation by bluster but also absolved him of any guilt of her misdeeds, but could be placed on her. IMO,Geo fanned the flames, kept it up and drew the neg attn away from himself and continued it on DP. OK, I have to stop! my phone keyboard is killing me!

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I find George extremely slick, clever and calculating, more like a sociopath. CA is a control freak but not a sociopath. She is like a sad sack in her make believe alternate universe. No doubt she still misses Caylee and KC. George is pretty well over all that tear jerking nonsense, George is much more important. Time to put a bigger diamond stud in his ear lobe. The world is his oyster now.
I think the DP show, refuse to call it an interview since it was obviously staged and edited, makes that much more clearer now. George is the better liar of the two. Much more convincing and cunning.
JMO.

 

[LambChop]

Exactly.


Exactly!



Apparently Cindy wanted a law where it would be really easy and inexpensive to take custody of a child away from its parent without having to tell the truth (imagine that). This is the scenario she would have preferred imo:

Cindy (in court): Your Honor, my daughter Casey is the mother of the year. She is the best mother that has ever existed in the history of the world. However, she seems to be suffering from a brain tumor, seizure disorder, and postpartum schizophrenia [even though the birth was almost 3 years ago]. These health problems that I diagnosed her with are putting Caylee in jeopardy. I don't have any medical records or examples of Casey's behavior to show you. I'm also not going to take Casey to a doctor for evaluation. I just think you should award me custody of Caylee right now.
Judge: Okay, whatever you want.

Sooooooo, what should we call this new "grandparent's rights" law......the "Way Too Gray Area" law????? jmo

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

Sooooooo, what should we call this new "grandparent's rights" law......the "Way Too Gray Area" law????? jmo

..."The World According to Cindy" law

 

[rotterdam]

Sooooooo, what should we call this new "grandparent's rights" law......the "Way Too Gray Area" law????? jmo

These two warped individuals used their grandparents rights by lying till they were blue in the face and banking on the poor pitiful me grandparent
status..
I assume that in their mind, grandparents should be allowed to lie like a cheap rug too in order to get custody of a grandchild.What works for the goose should work for the gander.
May be such law can be called; "Legal right of lying for grandparents".

 

[LambChop]

Ex-cops feel that even though they have left the police department that they are still card carrying members of the "Brotherhood of Police Officers". They know that once they identify themselves as former LE that the reception they will receive in an encounter with an officer is going to be somewhat different than a normal citizen. They expect it, feel it's due to them as part of their servicce to the community. Nothing wrong with it because most people recognize other's in their own professional fields.

Problem with GA was that he felt betrayed when all the tapes were released by LE. He knows it was their duty to do so as part of an investigation but regardless took it personally. If he were to walk into Yuri's office tomorrow Yuri would treat him no differently than he has in the past with total respect and GA knows that.

Now add to this mix CA who he has to live with 24/7. She is relentless in her quest. I imagine she could beat you down to seeing things her way and would keep doing so until you accepted what she was saying as the truth.

If CA and GA had separated we would have heard an entirely different story from GA all along and JB would have never been able to set him up for court. What happen was JB worked on CA and she was walked right into this new theory on how to save KC from DP. I doubt GA was even aware what was happening and it's possible CA was not aware either.

If GA had maintained that connection with LE he would have known it was coming way before it happened and done some damage control. The two great loves of his life, were CA and LE work, and he chose the wrong partner to listen to. Sometimes the person we depend upon the most to support us can destroy us. Happens everyday. jmo

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Dr Phil, Cindy Anthony and George Anthony.

Dr Phil has obvious motives of self promotion. The Anthonys' interview gave him the high ratings he was hoping for with his opening season's program. He's claiming he hasn't compensated for the interview but has "donated" a sum of money (that is so high that the amount is being kept secret) to a questionable foundation established by the Anthonys. His "donation" is likely to lead some viewers to believe that this foundation is one worth their donations, too.

Cindy Anthony continues with her song and dance. Her lies are like gristle; the more they're chewed ~ the bigger they get. She has managed now to insult thousands who suffer with legitimate diseases and has even invented one of her own. Referring to Caylee's insect and animal eaten and strewn body as only a shell was a selfish rationalization that shocked many.

George Anthony continues to roll with the tide. It appears he can't quite make up his mind whether he wants to stand on his own beliefs or swim with the current. I have seen him play so many roles (from "Hi Beautiful, you're the CEO" to enraged father and from "I know that smell" to "I never knew garbage could smell that bad") that I just don't trust him and his overly dramatic posturing. George is not the proverbial empty suit but he may just be an empty pair of flip-flops. The fact that he's not as bad as Cindy does not impress me one single bit. That's no standard worth rating, imo.

With these three standing around the witch's cauldron it will be interesting to see the after effects of the brew they're stirring up.

Double, double toil and trouble . . .​

:clap::clap::clap:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

This whole Dr. Phil thing is not making sense to me. Why would he agree to a donation, but not believe a word Cindy said? He doesn't even act like he feels sorry for Cindy, nor George, really. How can he turn around Monday and recommend their charity when he doesn't believe them? I'm starting to wonder about this. I guess it could purely be for ratings.

I do wonder, though, if maybe he tricked them? Maybe he said he'd donate, and then come Monday, maybe we'll find out he didn't donate as much as he said he would? It would explain the A's and Lippman's silence. If he did donate something, but not as much as he said, they would look even more terrible if they complained about it. I would think Dr. Phil's lawyers are way more savvy than Lippman too. Maybe there's a loophole or something that they found, so even Lippman can't do anything about it.

The A 's didn't even do their own rounds of publicity for this interview. They haven't said one thing, not even through Lippman. Only Dr. Phil did any publicity at all. Why are they totally quiet about this interview? Something just isn't right in all of this to me. It's not adding up. I'm now curious as to just what exactly is going to happen Monday.

I will say, I will die laughing if the scammers got scammed. Talk about karma!!!!

:rocker::rocker::rocker: Great Points, Aedrys !

BBM: I totally agree ... it is very "strange" that we have NOT heard from the Anthony's or Lippman either before, and especially AFTER the interviews aired ... The Anthony's and their attorney NEVER pass up an opportunity for the cameras ... MOO ...

Their "SILENCE" is "deafening" !

And ya know the media contacted the Anthony's and Lippman both before and after the interviews AIRED ... Hmmm ... WHY so QUIET and NO interviews from other media regarding their appearance on the DP Show ?

:innocent: This is a dream ... but ... it would be great if DP ends up treating the Anthony's just like the "Hot Sauce Mom" ...

But I doubt that will happen ... I don't think DP would want to reveal it if HE got scammed ... but then again, you never know !

Oh ... to be a "fly on the wall" in the A Home or DP's studio ... :innocent:

MOO ...

 

[MissJames]

You are so right. Controllers want you under their thumb. If you get out and about and feel good about yourself, you come to see that what is going on at home is not normal. CA didn't really mind about Casey not working either. It has often been commented on about the Anthonys' lack of friends and extended family being there for them. That is by design of CA. A narcissistic person really only cIf you let someone close, they could see what is really going on in your home. Narcissists are very secretive and nothing is to be broadcast outside the immediate family. I was always interested to know that Casey never brought friends to the house. It was speculated that was because Casey wanted to keep her lies intact by seperating people. I'm sure that was true at some poian have acquaintances. Never a true frienship that involves sharing and giving of yourself. nt but I also think that CA was probably very critical of outsiders. It was probably not worth the resulting hassle of having friends over. I also know from experience that kids recognize very early on when their home life is not quite right. Even though it is not overt physical/sexual abuse, you feel it in your bones. You really don't want to invite friends because it causes tension and there is heck to pay afterward.

BBM
This would explain Cindy's attacks and threats toward Tim Miller and many of Casey's friends who got into their home and saw the family dynamics. She had threaten or discredit them because they could speak the truth about the family.

She befriended Tracy and Mallory and controls them using the "loyalty" card,IMO.Anyone who spoke the truth got payback .

Notice George's friend ,who stayed at their house,never spoke up . We heard from others that he witnessed much,yet he remains silent . That bothers me.

 

[essies]

You know these 2 aren't really interested in the foundation and working with state goverments for grandparents rights-this was just a vehicle for them to use to place money in and try to flush, divert, launder funds with the advice of their "financial advisor" who they probably got connected to thru their friend (businessman) who flew them to the Bahamas. As I recall this man had some legal entanglements with the government over his business dealings concerning contracts and wage matters. Heck, he may be the "financial advisor" himself!:waitasec:
Sure, DP used G&C for ratings-he didn't have them on for any altruistic reasons I'm sure! But, what his interview did that the others didn't was make Cindy squirm and show herself to the nation and heck around the world for what we have known here at WS for 3 years. And I think she even shocked some of us with her statements-which hopefully will be used in the civil suits coming.:great:
Is George growing body parts because he got run over by the DT bus or because he knows (cause I think he is not living in Cindy's alternate reality) that they can't keep playing the public now. Like the old saying goes-"you can fool some of the people-some of the time. But, you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Their disgusting behavior over the past 3 years has culminated in an interview that shows without a doubt what kind of "morally bankrupt" people they are and like Drew Kesse said - they need to go far, far away!!:banghead: