Ebola outbreak - general thread #7

[SeekingJana]

An oddity to me: Mr Duncan was reunited with his finance during the time before his illness was active. (Were they sexually active?) He remained with her and her children for 3 days, and after he went to the hospital they were left in the home with his sheets and towels and clothing. Despite not taking any precautions they did not become ill.

Yet two nurses wearing some protective clothing became ill right away.

Is it just me or is that odd?

No, not if you look at what happened with him on what days. When Duncan arrived in Dallas, he was not spewing bodily fluids everywhere.
He went to the ER because of a fever and abdominal pain. No vomiting or diarrhea then either. Second time, there is anecdotal evidence that his vomiting was a new symptom of his illness, not present before perhaps the night before he was transferred by ambulance to Presby.

When Vinson and Nina took care of him, he was having copious diarrhea, vomiting that was projectile, and they were ace to elbows in infectious bodily fluids because their isolation gear was not correct.

What this timeline regarding Louise actually does is to reinforce what the WHO has been saying all along about WHEN Ebola Virus becomes transmittable.
It is the best learning example for all of us. We SAW that a woman and possibly other family in very close proximity to him didn't get sick when his body fluids were contained. We SAW that people did get sick when they were in close contact with contaminated body fluids that contained a high viral load of Ebola Virus.

 

[indigomood]

Nurse Nina Pham Remains in Fair Condition at NIH Monday


"Dallas nurse and Ebola patient Nina Pham is still in fair condition at the National Institutes of Health in Maryland, officials there said Monday.
Her condition has not changed since Friday, they said."

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/health/Nurse-Nina-Pham-Remains-in-Fair-Condition-at-NIH-Monday-279832162.html

 

[CARIIS]

4 Chicago hospitals agree to accept potential Ebola patients - @ABC7Chicago

Microsoft to provide cloud-computing and research applications to Ebola medical researchers, CEO says - @Reuters



Citing Ebola concerns, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal orders new travel restrictions for state agencies - @thehill


Freelance NBC cameraman infected with Ebola in Liberia is doing 'quite well' and may soon be able to leave quarantine, doctor says - @Reuters


Statement: Texas Presbyterian hospital emergency department returns to full operation after previously limiting ambulance traffic following Ebola case - @NBCNews


en. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., to introduce legislation creating temporary ban on new visas for nationals of Ebola-stricken Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone, office says - @NBCNews


Ivory Coast cocoa exporters ramp up shipments in effort to meet demand left by curtailed production in Ebola-stricken countries, industry experts say - @WSJMoneyBeat


President Raul Castro says Cuba is willing to work with US in fighting Ebola; sending 400 medical workers to Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone - @AP

Oslo hospital says Norwegian doctor infected with Ebola has been cured - @AP

 

[CARIIS]

An email sent out to the Alcon staff by its CEO reportedly said that the ebola nurse’s boyfriend was admitted into hospital with “Ebola-like symptoms.” Gotnews.com has received word from two different Alcon employees, both of whom asked not to be identified. Alcon’s U.S. headquarters are in Fort Worth, Texas. It is an ophthalmological pharmaceutical company.

The boyfriend : Here is a copy of the letter sent out about the boyfriend (or aquantance?) .
Reports regarding the boyfriend as being hospitalized:I just wanted to see what Alcon was: .Alcon CEO Jeff George was appointed Global Head of Alcon in May 2014. As the global leader in eye care, Alcon provides innovative products that enhance quality of life by helping people worldwide see better.
https://twitter.com/TwiBestPony/status/521916406082719744/photo/1

While the nurse is still being cared for in Maryland, new reports say that Pham's boyfriend may have also contracted the disease. Got News via The Epoch Times, with Alcon CEO Jeff George's email as its source, stated that the nurse's boyfriend was immediately admitted to the hospital and put in quarantine after showing signs of the deadly virus. However, the same email did not confirm that the man is suffering from Ebola.

Nina:

Many think that Pham's "good condition" has worsened as it went down to "fair." Basing on the American Hospital Association scale, Pham's condition, which is now reported to be in "fair condition," went downhill. This is interpreted as the "patient is conscious, but may be uncomfortable."

But Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, was keen to dispel the notions and said that Pham, who he described as a trooper, is not deteriorating but is actually "quite stable." The nurse is reportedly eating and resting comfortably while in a jovial mood. “She’s very fatigued. This is a disease that wreaks havoc on you… This virus knocks you out,” he said.
http://www.alcon.com/
http://www.christiantoday.com/artic...riend.feared.to.show.ebola.symptoms/41859.htm
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/102...ated-as-her-condition-downgraded-reports-say/
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/102...ated-as-her-condition-downgraded-reports-say/

 

[SteveS]

An email sent out to the Alcon staff by its CEO reportedly said that the ebola nurse’s boyfriend was admitted into hospital with “Ebola-like symptoms.” Gotnews.com has received word from two different Alcon employees, both of whom asked not to be identified. Alcon’s U.S. headquarters are in Fort Worth, Texas. It is an ophthalmological pharmaceutical company.

The boyfriend : Here is a copy of the letter sent out about the boyfriend (or aquantance?) .

Reports regarding the boyfriend as being hospitalized:I just wanted to see what Alcon was: .Alcon CEO Jeff George was appointed Global Head of Alcon in May 2014. As the global leader in eye care, Alcon provides innovative products that enhance quality of life by helping people worldwide see better.
https://twitter.com/TwiBestPony/status/521916406082719744/photo/1

While the nurse is still being cared for in Maryland, new reports say that Pham's boyfriend may have also contracted the disease. Got News via The Epoch Times, with Alcon CEO Jeff George's email as its source, stated that the nurse's boyfriend was immediately admitted to the hospital and put in quarantine after showing signs of the deadly virus. However, the same email did not confirm that the man is suffering from Ebola.

Nina:

Many think that Pham's "good condition" has worsened as it went down to "fair." Basing on the American Hospital Association scale, Pham's condition, which is now reported to be in "fair condition," went downhill. This is interpreted as the "patient is conscious, but may be uncomfortable."

But Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, was keen to dispel the notions and said that Pham, who he described as a trooper, is not deteriorating but is actually "quite stable." The nurse is reportedly eating and resting comfortably while in a jovial mood. “She’s very fatigued. This is a disease that wreaks havoc on you… This virus knocks you out,” he said.
http://www.alcon.com/
http://www.christiantoday.com/artic...riend.feared.to.show.ebola.symptoms/41859.htm
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/102...ated-as-her-condition-downgraded-reports-say/
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/102...ated-as-her-condition-downgraded-reports-say/

Pure BS and fear-mongering.

The bf undoubtedly has been monitored for symptoms. May even be staying in the hospital complex (as have quite a few) as a place that has trained support and staff for those wanting to go into isolation.

But that's a far cry from him actually being "admitted" for symptoms, and the testing would have occurred pronto if he (or any of the others under observation) ever exhibited symptoms.

But they want to infer that there is some sort of likelihood he has ebola at this time, but it's being hidden from the world (except for the few at this rag of a "news" site)? Or, that he was actually checked into the hospital at some point, suffering from something that may be ebola, but no one has actually figured it out or thought to do an ebola test so he's there under the radar? Pure BS. Fear-mongering.

All we have is some 3rd-rate web-based rag of a "news" site trying to create a name by preying on the people who will fall for anything. If he had symptoms, he'd be tested and it would be figured out within hours. And if he tested positive, it would be front page news everywhere and there would be a very public chase of his contacts.

 

[neesaki]

Snort...people might mistakenly think they're talking about the other ED :lol:

And then there are those three X's .

 

[Sonya610]

The point of this is to say that Bentley can also be a teacher for very skilled vets. In order for vets to learn and understand how dogs react or don't react to Ebola, some dogs have to be examined and studied.

Did you read the ORIGINAL CBS article that included what the head vet said? In a cage for 3 solid weeks, no human contact, none of the vets would even enter the ROOM where bentley was being held and "Bentley will just have to suck it up".

That is how lab animals are treated. There was no reason they couldn't put on hazmat suits on and continue to socialize with him (he is definitely FAR less contagious than the ebola patients that are spewing highly contagious body fluids and the staff uses hazmat suits to handle and visit those highly contagious patients constantly).

Apparently others AGREED that it was pointlessly cruel so A&M changed their protocol. They do NOT have legal custody of that dog, Dallas Animal Services does at this point, if they invited A&M vets in to observe and test Bentley that does not mean A&M has complete control and can do whatever they please to their new lab specimen (presumably unless they can get a court order).

 

[Sonya610]

Bentley is unlikely to present with the virus at all, IMO, since Nina was isolated so soon.

That does not tell us what we need to know. We need to learn if, where, and for how long dogs can carry the live virus itself, and how their bodies kill and/or excrete it once they are infected or exposed.

If Bentley never develops antibodies for the virus then nothing is learned. It is also quite possible the virus can't infect canine cells (because of physical differences) which means there is no infection to fight off.

 

[CARIIS]

Believe it or not in some ways I concur. When I was doing post I wanted to find out his vocation, (actually his name!). So as I am sluething about I come across the ebola like story. BUt it was on on site I did not particularlily like! Bouncing about, then the letter. As I am reading the leading, when finshed I thought well it certainly is "CEO" eeee! Trying not panic, had a no worries feel, we care about you bla bla.THen it occurs to me the reports describe an email - this is not an email ! Re-read it -it is just CEO eee so I went with it. Like you, I aint so sure if there is something odd about this angle. The media certainly would have gone hysterical, and then I thought pls a lot of times they miss a lot of stuff, that is in fact fact! (casue they are too busy rehashing) .Also the letter was written on Oct 14??? So then I thought humm I am wondering if he got scared went in dced and maybe now back in. The annonmous pt, if I recall noone knew about for some time. Then I thought well it seems, always, as if no news happens on a weekend!- they would have only a couple of days before (media) coming back yesterday

I am with you----- jury out on this one!
_ thoughts folks!

Pure BS and fear-mongering.

The bf undoubtedly has been monitored for symptoms. May even be staying in the hospital complex (as have quite a few) as a place that has trained support and staff for those wanting to go into isolation.

But that's a far cry from him actually being "admitted" for symptoms, and the testing would have occurred pronto if he (or any of the others under observation) ever exhibited symptoms.

But they want to infer that there is some sort of likelihood he has ebola at this time, but it's being hidden from the world (except for the few at this rag of a "news" site)? Or, that he was actually checked into the hospital at some point, suffering from something that may be ebola, but no one has actually figured it out or thought to do an ebola test so he's there under the radar? Pure BS. Fear-mongering.

All we have is some 3rd-rate web-based rag of a "news" site trying to create a name by preying on the people who will fall for anything. If he had symptoms, he'd be tested and it would be figured out within hours. And if he tested positive, it would be front page news everywhere and there would be a very public chase of his contacts.

 

[CARIIS]

My goodness a desription of CNN right online!

Fear mongering (or scaremongering or scare tactics) is the use of fear to influence the opinions and actions of others towards some specific end. The feared object or subject is sometimes exaggerated, and the pattern of fear mongering is usually one of repetition, in order to continuously reinforce the intended effects of this tactic, sometimes in the form of a vicious circle.[SUP][citation needed]

Fear is a strong emotion and it can be manipulated to steer people into making emotional rather than reasoned choices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_mongering
[/SUP]

 

[1&2&3]

Good Morning. Just thought of something. How was Nina's bf able to catch Ebola, IF he has it, when Louise and her family did not? Nina went to the hospital early similar to what Duncan did. No one around Duncan got sick. So, if you can only catch it when a person is symptomatic, I don't believe Nina could have carried it home to him from while she was treating Duncan.

JMO, he panicked and put himself in quarantine. If he had it, we would know for sure, I believe. Also, I wonder if people are actually in quarantine at the hospital, are their employers more likely to continue their pay?

 

[SCHMAE]

Pure BS and fear-mongering.

The bf undoubtedly has been monitored for symptoms. May even be staying in the hospital complex (as have quite a few) as a place that has trained support and staff for those wanting to go into isolation.

But that's a far cry from him actually being "admitted" for symptoms, and the testing would have occurred pronto if he (or any of the others under observation) ever exhibited symptoms.

But they want to infer that there is some sort of likelihood he has ebola at this time, but it's being hidden from the world (except for the few at this rag of a "news" site)? Or, that he was actually checked into the hospital at some point, suffering from something that may be ebola, but no one has actually figured it out or thought to do an ebola test so he's there under the radar? Pure BS. Fear-mongering.

All we have is some 3rd-rate web-based rag of a "news" site trying to create a name by preying on the people who will fall for anything. If he had symptoms, he'd be tested and it would be figured out within hours. And if he tested positive, it would be front page news everywhere and there would be a very public chase of his contacts.

My guess on the BF is that since Pham was a nurse, as soon as they found out she did have ebola, they went into the mode best suited to protect him and public if he got it , which is ' don't wait, don't mess around, straight to hospital' to be monitored and isolated. Pham may have asked a dr or nurse friends what about my bf and they suggested it. ** speculative**

 

[nrdsb4]

Pure BS and fear-mongering.

The bf undoubtedly has been monitored for symptoms. May even be staying in the hospital complex (as have quite a few) as a place that has trained support and staff for those wanting to go into isolation.

But that's a far cry from him actually being "admitted" for symptoms, and the testing would have occurred pronto if he (or any of the others under observation) ever exhibited symptoms.

But they want to infer that there is some sort of likelihood he has ebola at this time, but it's being hidden from the world (except for the few at this rag of a "news" site)? Or, that he was actually checked into the hospital at some point, suffering from something that may be ebola, but no one has actually figured it out or thought to do an ebola test so he's there under the radar? Pure BS. Fear-mongering.

All we have is some 3rd-rate web-based rag of a "news" site trying to create a name by preying on the people who will fall for anything. If he had symptoms, he'd be tested and it would be figured out within hours. And if he tested positive, it would be front page news everywhere and there would be a very public chase of his contacts.

From Day 1 it was known that Nina was admitted into isolation with a fever the same time her BF was brought in to be monitored as well. The Alcon letter went out pretty quick after that stating that an employee had been admitted to Presby as a precaution.

The BF is an immediate, close contact, and as such is at risk. But I don't understand why this notion has suddenly come up that his presence at Presby is a recent event. He's been there for 11 days.

 

[SCHMAE]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ebola-outbreak-120-people-now-being-monitored-for-virus/


''scientists and startups around the globe are racing to find a marketable treatment.'''

BBM

 

[nrdsb4]

As to Nina's condition being "downgraded" to fair:

If NIH had evaluated Nina and declared her to be in "good condition," then subsequently declared her to be in "fair condition," we could say her condition had been "downgraded." However, that's not really what happened.

They evaluated her upon admission and in their estimation, considered her to be in "fair" condition. It's not a comparison with the Presby evaluation, because they weren't there at that time to agree that she was ever in "good condition." That's basically what the NIH doc said. They never "downgraded her" because they were not involved in her care before. The "fair" designation was simply their baseline evaluation at the time they first saw her, which, after all, was after a fair amount of work on Nina's part of getting prepared for travel, navigating two staircases in and out of planes, travel, etc.

Not surprising and not particularly worrisome, imo. Nina has entered the phase where patients have become very very ill. For her to be in "fair condition" is extremely encouraging imo.

 

[nrdsb4]

[h=1]Anonymous Ebola Patient Released[/h]http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/10/20/Anonymous-Ebola-Patient-Released-from-Atlanta-Hospital-Where-Texas-Nurse-Continues-to-Receive-Care

DId not realize he was in for 6 weeks, amyone off hand know legnth of stay on the others? In article - it was male individual.

From what I have read, this recently released male is a doctor who treated ebola patients and who never waived his HIPAA protection, which is why we know zero about him.

 

[popsicle]

CDC ‏@CDCgov 2h2 hours ago
Watch the #Ebola healthcare worker training live on @GNYHA site at 10am today: http://bit.ly/1s29a9p #EbolaTraining #EbolaEdu

 

[Muffet]

If Bentley never develops antibodies for the virus then nothing is learned. It is also quite possible the virus can't infect canine cells (because of physical differences) which means there is no infection to fight off.

Hey, girl. :blowkiss: Between your snips & reply, I'm not sure if something got lost in the translation or not...? We already know they can develop antibodies, either from exposure to EBOV or antigens.

We just need those details, and well... Here's the relevant part of my post again, but unbroken. If it's still unclear, let me know. I need coffee before I try to think any more. :crazy:

<snipping condolences to Teresa and condemnation for Spain's decision>

Bentley is unlikely to present with the virus at all, IMO, since Nina was isolated so soon.

EXCALIBUR, however, was presumably snuggling with Teresa often through the initial 6 days she was symptomatic. He could have told us much.

We have yet to find a dog actively carrying an Ebola virus. We have only one study, which merely found ebola antibodies, and that was among dogs who were feral in the midst of an outbreak in Gabon.

That does not tell us what we need to know. We need to learn if, where, and for how long dogs can carry the live virus itself, and how their bodies kill and/or excrete it once they are infected or exposed.

Excalibur could have told us so much, but the :censored: took the cheap and easy way out and killed him.

:coffee:

 

[SteveS]

But I don't understand why this notion has suddenly come up that his presence at Presby is a recent event. He's been there for 11 days.

IMO the "news site" (and I use that term liberally and with a huge dose of sarcasm) has a goal of "internet traffic" (to their site) arising from such an attention-getting article rather than to accurately inform.

You understand.<modsnip>

 

[SteveS]

As to Nina's condition being "downgraded" to fair:

If NIH had evaluated Nina and declared her to be in "good condition," then subsequently declared her to be in "fair condition," we could say her condition had been "downgraded." However, that's not really what happened.

They evaluated her upon admission and in their estimation, considered her to be in "fair" condition. It's not a comparison with the Presby evaluation, because they weren't there at that time to agree that she was ever in "good condition." That's basically what the NIH doc said. They never "downgraded her" because they were not involved in her care before. The "fair" designation was simply their baseline evaluation at the time they first saw her, which, after all, was after a fair amount of work on Nina's part of getting prepared for travel, navigating two staircases in and out of planes, travel, etc.

Not surprising and not particularly worrisome, imo. Nina has entered the phase where patients have become very very ill. For her to be in "fair condition" is extremely encouraging imo.

I think it needs to be mentioned that even if all goes according to plan, it may be several more weeks before either nurse is well. This is a nasty disease, once you get infected.

It was asked above "anyone off hand know length of stay on the others?" and besides the unnamed male that took about 6 weeks, the others (Brantly and Writebol) took a month or so from diagnosis to "cured and released."