Emergency custody papers filed by mother of JI's son 11/14/11

[Kat]

Will someone take pity on me and help me?

Instead of reading over 30 pages of posts, can anyone tell me if there is a hearing scheduled and if so when?

Thank you very much for your kindness!

 

[matou]

I think DB admitted herself that she drinks a few times a week but only after the kids are asleep. She even states that she goes straight to bed without saying goodnight and "you can ask anybody who knows me". This was on FOX to M Kelly. I'm sure JI knows about his partner's drinking behavior and the fact that she drinks while on meds.

 

[Karmaa]

Who is more important to check on? Older boys or sick baby? The baby can't take care of herself.

That wasn't the argument.

The original poster said, as if fact, that Debbie never checked her children. That is not correct.

 

[Nixie]

Will someone take pity on me and help me?

Instead of reading over 30 pages of posts, can anyone tell me if there is a hearing scheduled and if so when?

Thank you very much for your kindness!

They had one yesterday and they have a gag order so I don't think the general public will hear much more.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

You're basing your opinions on your feelings to JI/DB, not the bio mom. If this was any other scenario and all you know was a woman who hadn't seen her son in 6 yrs all of a sudden decides to be a mother now, your opinion may be different.

Also, I never said DB was a better mom. My point was we are here judging DB as a mother based on one night but yet this other woman hasn't seen her son for 6 years and she's exempt from criticism?

Nobody is ever going to convince me that you need some sort of 'backbone' to want to be part of your child's life. I can show you numerous examples of parents who would go to the ends of the earth for their children and if you told them they can't see their kids because their ex is 'bullying' them, they would then say 'get ready for WWIII', because there is going to be a war'.

Nobody gives the parents the benefit of the doubt in this case (for valid reasons I might add), but if any parent hasn't had contact with her kid for

multiple years with no obvious explanation, I don't see why they should get
benefit of the doubt either.

RR may very well have an obvious explanation but has chose not to go to the media with it. We know a whole lot less about RR than we do DB and as it stands right now, there is no wary under the sun that I would entrust the care of my children with DB.

 

[menmo]

Debbie has NEVER said that she didn't check her children. She definitely checked on the boys according to her stories. She does not REMEMBER checking on Lisa specifically. She had a baby monitor going on a sleeping baby - that is NOT neglect. She drank - possibly more than she should have. That may or may not be neglect.

There are WAY too many conclusions being jumped to. We have no idea what Jeremy did, thinks, feels or anything else. We have no idea what his opinion of RR is or why. It's not really fair to project emotions and actions on someone when there is NO BASIS for it.

BBM
Those two words say a lot to me. Stories is right.

MOO

 

[Little Ol Me]

They had one yesterday and they have a gag order so I don't think the general public will hear much more.

Best thing that could have happened for all concerned. Glad to hear / read it.

 

[MyBelle]

Frankly I can't imagine anyone on this site who had a child and the father's GF got smashed and lost her baby would let their child stay under her care. That is the basis of her filing. Regardless of what happened, short of her beating this boy, I see no reason for her not to at least ask. It won't happen. I have never seen a court take away custody unless the custodial parent goes to jail, mames or kills the child.....or is loaded with money.

All this arguing is moot. She's not going to get custody. But I don't blame her for trying to get it. I bet people would complain if she didn't attempt it. It is good to have on record that she tried.

I have to disagree. Courts do remove children from parental custody if there are questions about their safety at least until an investigation can be completed. Brad Cooper lost custody of his children to their grandparents even though he had not been charged with a crime and never went before tv cameras and admitted he was drunk and left them unsupervised.

JMO

 

[Donjeta]

I guess I would use the terms 'drunk' and 'alcoholic' interchangeably. My point was that you can have a bar in your home and yet not drink to excess, so I don't see that the family having a bar necessarily means anything than that they have a bar. Plus, remember, it is JI's home, and has been for 10 years or so.

According to Wikipedia the US recommended maximum alcohol dosage for women is 7 doses per week, one dose is defined at 14g of alcohol. It means roughly 5 oz of wine with 12% alcohol.

If a woman drinks 2-3 times per week, and takes 5 to 10 glasses each time she easily drinks in excess of the recommendations. The 10 glasses is already more than that. That is assuming that the glasses are the standard size but at home you might pour more liberally and get more per glass. The wine container was empty.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recommended_maximum_intake_of_alcoholic_beverages"]Recommended maximum intake of alcoholic beverages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
It is also said that people with history of addiction in the family should be more careful.

But I guess it's neither here or there because plenty of parents drink in excess of the health recommendations and there's never any custody issues.

 

[cityslick]

RR may very well have an obvious explanation but has chose not to go to the media with it. We know a whole lot less about RR than we do DB and as it stands right now, there is no wary under the sun that I would entrust the care of my children with DB.

You're right, we don't know the true reasons why RR never had contact with her kid even though she was allowed supervised visitations. We don't know why a judge felt the need to order supervised visitation in the first place. We don't know why she filed a custody order in 2008 and then never bothered to show up to it.

I ask this though, how much do you really know about DB? All you have to go on is DB's word on what happened that night. You don't know how intoxicated she was. You don't know if she was to the point of blacking out. You don't know about her ability to care for the children that night because you don't know for sure what her condition was that night.

 

[Sparklin]

According to Wikipedia the US recommended maximum alcohol dosage for women is 7 doses per week, one dose is defined at 14g of alcohol. It means roughly 5 oz of wine with 12% alcohol.

If a woman drinks 2-3 times per week, and takes 5 to 10 glasses each time she easily drinks in excess of the recommendations. The 10 glasses is already more than that. That is assuming that the glasses are the standard size but at home you might pour more liberally and get more per glass. The wine container was empty.

Recommended maximum intake of alcoholic beverages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It is also said that people with history of addiction in the family should be more careful.

But I guess it's neither here or there because plenty of parents drink in excess of the health recommendations and there's never any custody issues.

bbm = what does that mean? and how do we know that?

 

[askfornina]

bbm = what does that mean? and how do we know that?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE7FUgpdU14"]Attorney Gives Tour Of Missing Baby's Home - YouTube[/ame]

1:11 in this video.

 

[deoneta]

You're right, we don't know the true reasons why RR never had contact with her kid even though she was allowed supervised visitations. We don't know why a judge felt the need to order supervised visitation in the first place. We don't know why she filed a custody order in 2008 and then never bothered to show up to it.

I ask this though, how much do you really know about DB? All you have to go on is DB's word on what happened that night. You don't know how intoxicated she was. You don't know if she was to the point of blacking out. You don't know about her ability to care for the children that night because you don't know for sure what her condition was that night.

We don't know. We do know what DB has said.

PA: “Were you drinking that night?”
DB: “Yes.”
PA: “How much?”
DB: “Uh, enough to be drunk. “
PA: “So, you were drunk?”
DB: “Uh-huh.”
GMA interview

MK: “Is it possible you had a blackout?”
DB: “It could , it’s a possibility. I mean, just like anybody else, when you drink, you don’t remember the things that happened, and stuff like that but, um, yeah, it’s a possibility. But, it, once again, has nothing to do with my daughter.”

DB: “I go to sleep every single time and everybody knows me. Any time I drink anything, I, I’ve actually had get-togethers with family, over at the house, and everybody will be drinking and hanging out, playing pool and stuff, and, um, I will, once I’ve had enough to drink, I just get really tired. I go right upstairs and right down, I don’t even say bye to people.”
Fox interiview. not my kid's transcription.

Drinking to the point of not remembering the things that happened is not normal social drinking. Drinking to the point that you have to crash when you still have guests is not normal social drinking. The only reason I can think of that DB would say all of this if it weren't true would be to explain gaps and inconsistencies. All MOO

 

[cityslick]

RR may very well have an obvious explanation but has chose not to go to the media with it. We know a whole lot less about RR than we do DB and as it stands right now, there is no wary under the sun that I would entrust the care of my children with DB.

Take DB out of it for a second. Do you think the child should be put in RR's care simply because she is his 'mother', taking into account that the lady has no relationship with the boy?

I'd be fine with one of JI's family members if you believe it's not a good enviroment currently. I'm sure they've been more in his life in the past year than RR has in the past 6.

 

[hambirg]

You're right, we don't know the true reasons why RR never had contact with her kid even though she was allowed supervised visitations. We don't know why a judge felt the need to order supervised visitation in the first place. We don't know why she filed a custody order in 2008 and then never bothered to show up to it.

I ask this though, how much do you really know about DB? All you have to go on is DB's word on what happened that night. You don't know how intoxicated she was. You don't know if she was to the point of blacking out. You don't know about her ability to care for the children that night because you don't know for sure what her condition was that night.

Your right. At the best, she was black out drunk. At the worst, she is lying about what happened that night.

 

[Marshmallow]

Take DB out of it for a second. Do you think the child should be put in RR's care simply because she is his 'mother', taking into account that the lady has no relationship with the boy?

I'd be fine with one of JI's family members if you believe it's not a good enviroment currently. I'm sure they've been more in his life in the past year than RR has in the past 6.

but you cannot take DB out of it. She is key to all of this, she is the one who either harmed Lisa, or had Lisa go missing from her crib while DB was allegedly (in her tv version) drunk to the point of black out while supposed to be the person in charge of three young children one of whom is gone, presumed dead at this point and another who's noncustodial parent is now concerned about having in home with DB and the circumstances that occurred.

I'm curious as to why DB's husband is not seeking to remove that boy from this home as well.

 

[Sparklin]

but you cannot take DB out of it. She is key to all of this, she is the one who either harmed Lisa, or had Lisa go missing from her crib while DB was allegedly (in her tv version) drunk to the point of black out while supposed to be the person in charge of three young children

Or..she was sleeping!

 

[Sparklin]

Your right. At the best, she was black out drunk. At the worst, she is lying about what happened that night.

ummm...not necessarily ~ she never said she was black out drunk.

 

[cityslick]

but you cannot take DB out of it. She is key to all of this, she is the one who either harmed Lisa, or had Lisa go missing from her crib while DB was allegedly (in her tv version) drunk to the point of black out while supposed to be the person in charge of three young children one of whom is gone, presumed dead at this point and another who's noncustodial parent is now concerned about having in home with DB and the circumstances that occurred.

I'm curious as to why DB's husband is not seeking to remove that boy from this home as well.

Yes you can take her out of it. Just because DB was drunk/blacked out/whatever does not (and should not) mean that this woman, who hasn't seen her child in many years and thus has no meaningful relationship with him, gets to automatically take him out of that house and into hers. She is by all accounts a stranger to him.

If heaven forbid you ever found yourself in a situation such as this, but you were innocent, but yet your ex who never bothered to see/call your child and never paid a dime toward your child all of a sudden decided they want to take them away from you, you would go absolutely through the roof with rage.

 

[MissJames]

Yes you can take her out of it. Just because DB was drunk/blacked out/whatever does not (and should not) mean that this woman, who hasn't seen her child in many years and thus has no meaningful relationship with him, gets to automatically take him out of that house and into hers. She is by all accounts a stranger to him.

If heaven forbid you ever found yourself in a situation such as this, but you were innocent, but yet your ex who never bothered to see/call your child and never paid a dime toward your child all of a sudden decided they want to take them away from you, you would go absolutely through the roof with rage.

I'm not sure what else she should / could do. Even if she is not capable of being a mom,she may still be alarmed with the idea of her child being with DB.What other avenue does she have ?
It's possible she's straightened up her act,too.