Excused from the Rule of Sequestration

[Softail]

I don't think they can cause a mistrial or anything else; they are going to be deferential or Perry will make sure they are outed and held in another room until they are to testify. He is not playing any games with his courtroom and he has a whole lot more respect for the Constitution and the Law than he does for the Anthony's disrespecting his courtroom. Not going to happen.
Plus, they have a right to be there when they are finished testifying. And they should be allowed to sit in the courtroom.

If you go towards the begining of this thread, I thought that too! :banghead: BUT several others posted links to cases, where a mistrial was declared because people made inappropriate outbursts in court!

 

[Gaia713]

I don't think they can cause a mistrial or anything else; they are going to be deferential or Perry will make sure they are outed and held in another room until they are to testify. He is not playing any games with his courtroom and he has a whole lot more respect for the Constitution and the Law than he does for the Anthony's disrespecting his courtroom. Not going to happen.

Plus, they have a right to be there when they are finished testifying. And they should be allowed to sit in the courtroom.

I would dearly LOVE to see them cause a mistrial. Because they will just retry Casey again. And historically, when retried, convictions occur - i.e., The Menendez Brothers, Betty Broderick for example. A mistrial is a great opportunity for the prosecution to tighten up their case for the second try.

 

[Solace]

If you go towards the begining of this thread, I thought that too! :banghead: BUT several others posted links to cases, where a mistrial was declared because people made inappropriate outbursts in court!

With all due respect, it is not going to happen. Perry is quite clear that there are monumental money issues with the Florida courts right now and he will make sure that any outbursts from Cindy or George will land them right outside of the courtroom, if not in jail.

 

[jon_burrows]

Usual procedure is that witnesses cannot be in the courtroom until AFTER they testify. I, personally, don't want them "tailoring" their testimony to regute the prosecution and "save" their daughter. Ordinarily witnesses are not in the courtroom during the opening statements. AND, more importantly, opening statements AND closing statements are NOT testimony. They are usually theories by the lawyers. People think that lawyres are under oath when they speak and they are not. They can lie, etc all they want. It's a field day for defense lawyers who lack ethics. I have heard Baez say we will know when he gives his opening statement what happeneed and why Casey behaved the way she did. But his opening statement is not testimony and the jury will be told that in their instructions when they go to give their verdict.

I hope they follow normal procedures with CA & GA. If they make an exception for them then they have to make it for everyone else that comes after the As.

 

[MAMABEAR]

with all due respect, it is not going to happen. Perry is quite clear that there are monumental money issues with the florida courts right now and he will make sure that any outbursts from cindy or george will land them right outside of the courtroom, if not in jail.

how exciting

 

[BigMomma]

One of the reasons the Anthony's attorney gave is that they were next of kin to the victim. They are NOT next of kin to the victim (Caylee). They are next of kin to the accused. BIG difference and none of the cases that were cited in the motion referred to GRANDPARENTS. I don't think they'll be let in until AFTER they testify. moo

Makes one wonder if these 2 are thinking the way they always think, one sided and when it suits them. Maybe in their mind and as they mentioned ica is a victim too, so that's where all that is coming from. Won't work. the victim is Caylee, the one responsible has been charged and they are NOT next of kin to Caylee, end of story.
The law should not change just because of them. Who are they? That Cindy has tried so many times to swing everything her way, but now she doesn't have that and once that trial starts she will be commanded to hold her peace or risk serious sanctions. Right now the only way to keep them from any of this is to shut them up in a nice room, away from each other without any way for them to read or hear about the daily trial until they are called to testify. They should also be kept out until everyone is done with testimony.

I want to say, Thanks to all! I think all of you Sleuthers do a wonderful job here. I'd like to participate a lot more on this case, but I get very angry:banghead: over this and I'm afraid I'd implode all over the place. I do read here all the time and I think you are all pretty darn neat.:great:

 

[Aedrys]

With all due respect, it is not going to happen. Perry is quite clear that there are monumental money issues with the Florida courts right now and he will make sure that any outbursts from Cindy or George will land them right outside of the courtroom, if not in jail.

With all due respect, HHJP may care, but the A's don't give one flip about how much money this is going cost or anything else but freeing their murderess princess daughter. All it takes is one them yelling out they did it in court, or doing something so outrageous that jury can't ignore it, and we've got a mistrial. Their lawyers will not be able to control them, and HHJP will not be able to control them. Grant it, he will throw them out after one outburst, but one outburst can be all it takes. That's the problem. These people care about nothing but saving Casey. They don't give a crap about the law, about court room decorum, or about justice for Caylee. They literally have nothing else to lose here but their daughter's life. That means they will stoop to doing anything in that courtroom to affect this trial. They should not get even ONE opportunity to do so.

I have mad respect for HHJP, but no matter how tightly he pulls the reins, one outburst is all it will take to get a mistrial and the A's KNOW this. It won't be a small outburst, it'll be a grand, huge, explosive, unforgettable one. It's happened in other cases, and it can happened in this one. I've seen how these people are, and the outrageous lengths they go to to lie and make scenes on television and at their home, all for princess CEO Casey. They are not to be trusted. They will not sit silently in that courtroom, and fortunately HHJP knows this too. IMO, let them watch it from home where they can only do damage to their own property.

 

[gitana1]

Well, the A's are technically not next of kin. But they raised that baby and if they were there for justice for her, I'd say they should have the right to be there. Unfortunately, I think their prime goal is seeing their daughter set free.

However, I doubt that any outburst would cause a mistrial in this case. The judge would just have them removed. So far, they make a lot of facial expre3ssions, but they have not had outbursts, even when Ashton was describing casey murdering their granddaughter.

 

[Omachka]

I would dearly LOVE to see them cause a mistrial. Because they will just retry Casey again. And historically, when retried, convictions occur - i.e., The Menendez Brothers, Betty Broderick for example. A mistrial is a great opportunity for the prosecution to tighten up their case for the second try.

I would prefer they get it right the first time and give the tax payers a break. I think the prosecution's case is already pretty tight.

 

[Solace]

With all due respect, HHJP may care, but the A's don't give one flip about how much money this is going cost or anything else but freeing their murderess princess daughter. All it takes is one them yelling out they did it in court, or doing something so outrageous that jury can't ignore it, and we've got a mistrial. Their lawyers will not be able to control them, and HHJP will not be able to control them. Grant it, he will throw them out after one outburst, but one outburst can be all it takes. That's the problem. These people care about nothing but saving Casey. They don't give a crap about the law, about court room decorum, or about justice for Caylee. They literally have nothing else to lose here but their daughter's life. That means they will stoop to doing anything in that courtroom to affect this trial. They should not get even ONE opportunity to do so.

I have mad respect for HHJP, but no matter how tightly he pulls the reins, one outburst is all it will take to get a mistrial and the A's KNOW this. It won't be a small outburst, it'll be a grand, huge, explosive, unforgettable one. It's happened in other cases, and it can happened in this one. I've seen how these people are, and the outrageous lengths they go to to lie and make scenes on television and at their home, all for princess CEO Casey. They are not to be trusted. They will not sit silently in that courtroom, and fortunately HHJP knows this too. IMO, let them watch it from home where they can only do damage to their own property.

With all due respect Aedrys, this is not going to happen. They are going to sit there and listen or they will be ejected from the Courtroom - plain and simple. And it is not that easy for a mistrial to be called because a grieving grandmother got up and caused a ruckus.

Everyone is overreacting about this imo. They have a right to be in the courtroom and they should be allowed to be there, just not until they are finished testifying. And I would be money that is what Judge Perry will rule.

They have rights also and one of them is to be in the courtroom when their testimony is done. I realize that is not a popular opinion around here, but the fact is they are American citizens and they too have rights.

 

[BigMomma]

I forsee outbursts on their part and it will be attributed to either medication or whatever the excuse flavor is for the day. These people do not like to be controlled. That has been evident for a long time now. The mumbled snide remarks, the faces they give. It will be interesting to see what rote is chosen, who picks who first and so on, to testify. The ants can't bring their reminder binders in and they really shouldn't be allowed to glean anything off other witnesses testimonies. There's been enough mayhem in this case. They need to take it way down a few notches, have at least an ounce of respect for their granddaughters memory.

 

[Aedrys]

With all due respect Aedrys, this is not going to happen. They are going to sit there and listen or they will be ejected from the Courtroom - plain and simple. And it is not that easy for a mistrial to be called because a grieving grandmother got up and caused a ruckus.

Everyone is overreacting about this imo. They have a right to be in the courtroom and they should be allowed to be there, just not until they are finished testifying. And I would be money that is what Judge Perry will rule.

They have rights also and one of them is to be in the courtroom when their testimony is done. I realize that is not a popular opinion around here, but the fact is they are American citizens and they too have rights.

Well, we'll see how he rules and what happens. I don't have nearly as much confidence as you do about the two of them. I've watched them for almost three years be outrageous and whatnot. I don't trust that they won't try something in the courtroom to try to cause a mistrial or a drama. They've been trying to do just that for almost three years now. And if it wasn't easy for a mistrial to be caused, there wouldn't be other cases out there where it happened. CA and GA can not be underestimated. Just because they have the right to be there doesn't mean they should be there. It's not a fair trial if they do anything to unfairly prejudice the jury, who doesn't know anything about their three year campaign to save Casey. And I don't call it overreacting, but being cautious. I've followed this case since day one, and I know what these people are capable of. Of course, I do hope I am wrong. But we can agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Omachka]

When I looked up the cases in my [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6393291&postcount=66"]post no. 66[/ame] in this thread, it only took me 2 minutes with a google search to find many cases where an outburst by witnesses caused a mistrial. I linked the first 3 but there were lots more. It happens all the time and I have also seen for myself the way CA and GA act in court. They are capable of it and I wouldn't be surprised at all if that's not their plan. As a Florida tax payer, I would not like to take that chance. Even more, as someone who thinks it's already been long enough for Caylee's justice I think they should be kept out. They haven't shown that they deserve special treatment but they have shown that they are capable of causing great harm to this case.

 

[Solace]

Well, we'll see how he rules and what happens. I don't have nearly as much confidence as you do about the two of them. I've watched them for almost three years be outrageous and whatnot. I don't trust that they won't try something in the courtroom to try to cause a mistrial or a drama. They've been trying to do just that for almost three years now. And if it wasn't easy for a mistrial to be caused, there wouldn't be other cases out there where it happened. CA and GA can not be underestimated. Just because they have the right to be there doesn't mean they should be there. It's not a fair trial if they do anything to unfairly prejudice the jury, who doesn't know anything about their three year campaign to save Casey. And I don't call it overreacting, but being cautious. I've followed this case since day one, and I know what these people are capable of. Of course, I do hope I am wrong. But we can agree to disagree on this one.

And I agree they acted absolutely outrageous with the Morgan firm. But then again the Morgan firm LET THEM do it. I would have stopped that in a New York second and said to their lawyer apparently your clients are not aware of the procedures of a deposition and before we proceed with any more outbursts from them or refusals to answer, I suggest you confer with them and make them aware of just what we are here to do and the rules. if not, I will end it here and we can go before the Judge and I will ask for attorneys fees, etc.

But Morgan did not do that until they were well near the end with both Cindy and George and when they did, Cindy and George BOTH COMPLIED. I agree they thought they could do the same in the hearings but if you recall, Judge Perry literally said "be quiet".

He won't tolerate it Aedrys. JP is literally going to TAlahassee almost every weekend getting funds for the courts. He is not going to tolerate it. Why do you think he took this case? He saw what Baez was doing in procrastinating and getting away with it with Strickland. I remember watching on TV the so called "pundits" said Baez is going to put off and put off and I would not be surprised if the trial goes on for five years before it hits trial.

Perry ended that real quick. I want to see them try and get away with it. One reason I want them there is so that they are told to have respect for this court and they were - he also said the smirking and grimacing will stop here in this court. They need to be reined it and they are going to be with Judge Perry.

We are not that far apart, really.

 

[MAMABEAR]

LMAO---To bad we have to sit here and wonder how this poop will unfold. We shall see and soon. What ever happens---am sur it will be entertaining. Maybe CA will stand up and shoot ICA in the back of the head---u know---like the apple and the tree---r--- like mother like daughter

 

[Solace]

When I looked up the cases in my post no. 66 in this thread, it only took me 2 minutes with a google search to find many cases where an outburst by witnesses caused a mistrial. I linked the first 3 but there were lots more. It happens all the time and I have also seen for myself the way CA and GA act in court. They are capable of it and I wouldn't be surprised at all if that's not their plan. As a Florida tax payer, I would not like to take that chance. Even more, as someone who thinks it's already been long enough for Caylee's justice I think they should be kept out. They haven't shown that they deserve special treatment but they have shown that they are capable of causing great harm to this case.

And if they try it, they will be ejected.

What did Perry say to the man who yelled something in the courtroom - I believe it was "OUUUT" AND HE IS NOT TO BE ALLOWED BACK IN.

I would like a lot of things, but the facts are we have to go by the rules of the court and that is what Perry is doing. And he is going to see to it that the Anthonys and the lawyers are all respectful. He is a little more seasoned than he is getting credit for here.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I was a bit disappointed that he hasn't already kicked them out. Chomp for her gum smacking and chewing, and GA for his petulance.

 

[Softail]

From the news thread:

Mark Lippman Speaks On InSessions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR7ei5eVFqI

 

[Leila]

One of the reasons the Anthony's attorney gave is that they were next of kin to the victim. They are NOT next of kin to the victim (Caylee). They are next of kin to the accused. BIG difference and none of the cases that were cited in the motion referred to GRANDPARENTS. I don't think they'll be let in until AFTER they testify. moo

ITA. Their motion is asking that they be excused from a rule of law. I don't think it will fly.

 

[azwriter]

I listened to these calls yesterday, and even worse than "I don't want to talk to them".... she actually says "I have nothing to talk to them about!" When CA tried to give her the phone, and CA replies... Answer their questions!

Thanks Ms. Heather for posting this. Really sad isn't it?