Excused from the Rule of Sequestration

[LambChop]

I really think the A's would be too distracting to the jury. Because they have made themselves so high profile with their lies and antics I think the judge will keep them out, possibly a side room with closed circuit tv so they can watch portions of the trial. We all admit they can be distracting and whether or not the camera man is given instructions NOT to focus on them during the trial they are in full view of the jury. For this reason I think the judge has little choice but to keep them out. jmo

 

[Nore]

I have really seriously thought about this and now think that the Anthony's should be called first and get their testimony out of the way. THEN, let them sit there and listen to all the evidence the SA's have. They need to face the reality of what Casey did to precious little Caylee.

I also think the Anthony's should have to hear the statements of their many contradictions testified to by LE. They need to hear the facts of the case in person all at once so that they can see and understand how LE, the Grand Jury, and the SA's Office came to know that Casey did murder Caylee. I want them to SEE and HEAR the evidence.

Little Caylee deserves to know that her grandparents have heard and seen the REAL story.

*Regardless, IF the Anthony's are allowed to be in the courtroom, I just have to wonder which one will have to be reprimanded first.

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LA I agree with you. I should think there is a good chance they will be one of the first to testify. Their problem is they are loose cannons, CA. with her hammer and GA. with his hose. I believe HHJP. will crack down, they'll never make it through the whole trial. Think of Lacis mom there is a woman with dignity. The A's do need to hear it all. They will never admit to the truth even if it slaps them in the face.If they had sense they'd behave.Kc. will be looked upon as a reflection of their anger. They'll never make it.. Yes Caylee will know it all. Bless her little heart. :seeya:

 

[OneLostGrl]

This is my wish.. I wish Cindy could control herself so that she could be in the courtroom throughout the trial.. that she would have to sit through all the testimony, see all the evidence.. listen to everything- the truth. and that it will finally wake her up so she can get past all this denial and perhaps become the kind of mother she likes to pretend she is.. one who really loves their child unconditionally ..regardless of what she's done.

I think this woman needs to sit through this trial if she is ever going to be able to come to grips with her truth.

 

[strach304]

I like and respect Judge Perry. He is a very knowledgeable Judge. However, I have to agree with you. Perhaps had we not heard how tough he was, we would not have such high expectations.



I don't think G and CA have grimaces and outbursts in mind. Both will be in tears and appear devastated (especially George). The Jury probably won't know as much about the Anthony's as the people that have closely followed this case. They will feel sorry for them. This,imo, is what George and Cindy want. They think an emotional display will help Casey. All that said, the Judge and the SA will more than likely feel the need to walk on ice cubes with the A's for fear of offending the Jury. ~IMO~

You betcha! I think their complete motivation is to show support for Casey in front of the jury. I'd love to see them acting like the Petersons, Scott and Geragos high-fiving each other in front of the jury. The same ignorance, arrogance and accusations of SA and LE conspiracy exist in this case as well with the defendant, her parents and DT. After these most recent hearings I am convinced the A's being present to see the evidence will not change a thing. When CA changed her testimony about things she now recalls but didn't before I saw JA getting disgusted. I am sure he will be fine at trial (30 years experience) but between JB and the A's I don't want to see him have a stroke or heart attack mid trial. I think this will be the true test of a lifetime for him professionally. The jurors not being familiar with the A's antics as we are will make exceptions, feel sympathy and understand why they have attitudes towards the state. The SA's will have to be careful in how they treat them. Count on them reminding the state with every other question they don't want to answer truthfully with the very traumatic excuse.

 

[katydid23]

Everyone talks about this guy like he's so tough on folks in his courtroom and won't put up with nonsense. I'm just not seeing that same person everyone else seems to be seeing. He threatens JoseB but has not once followed through with his threats... he sets time limits but then let's 'em slide when they aren't met. He talks tough but has NO follow through!

You have a good point. However, Judge Perry came through in the biggest way possible by denying nearly every desperate motion by the defense team. I think it is okay that he gave Baez some leeway in the hearings for two reasons.

1. It lulls Baez into believing he is putting something past the court when he is not really doing so, and the trial will be a big wake up call, imo.
2. It helps the judge when the appeals come in if he is extremely lenient and bends over backwards for the DT. So when they try and whine and say he was biased against them, the court can point to all of the second chances they gave him and all of the late witness lists and depos they allowed.
imoo

 

[LambChop]

Everyone remember when Jeff Ashton described how Caylee died in the courtroom and after KC started to get angry JB leaned over, said something to KC and KC started to cry. CA was up like a shot, out of her chair and out the door with GA right behind her. They can't be doing that in the middle of the trial because once they are through those doors I think that will be it and they will not be allowed back in.

If this were me I would welcome a room where I could view the trial, evidence and be free to react whatever way I would chose without a camera panning over to see me. The fact they want to sit in court makes me wonder what could their motive be.

As parents we don't always react the way we think we do to what our children get themselves into. While we think we've been cool and handled it well, someone will tell us what we were thinking was written all over our face. So this may not be the best for KC. While the A's claim the rights of the victum's next of kin, they are clearly caught between the two. Caylee is gone and they don't want justice for Caylee at the expense of their daughter. They would be attending for all the wrong reasons. jmo

 

[strach304]

Everyone remember when Jeff Ashton described how Caylee died in the courtroom and after KC started to get angry JB leaned over, said something to KC and KC started to cry. CA was up like a shot, out of her chair and out the door with GA right behind her. They can't be doing that in the middle of the trial because once they are through those doors I think that will be it and they will not be allowed back in.

If this were me I would welcome a room where I could view the trial, evidence and be free to react whatever way I would chose without a camera panning over to see me. The fact they want to sit in court makes me wonder what could their motive be.

As parents we don't always react the way we think we do to what our children get themselves into. While we think we've been cool and handled it well, someone will tell us what we were thinking was written all over our face. So this may not be the best for KC. While the A's claim the rights of the victum's next of kin, they are clearly caught between the two. Caylee is gone and they don't want justice for Caylee at the expense of their daughter. They would be attending for all the wrong reasons. jmo

Two main reasons IMO. The first to show a united front and support and belief in Casey's innocence mostly for the jury but I'd hazard a guess at the media as well. In another post a poster has confirmed as I suspected that Lippman (A's lawyers) has stated on in-session today that their clients will be giving interviews throughout the trial. I did not see it myself, it is posted on the legal questions thread asking if is is allowed. AZ has said yes, they can unless the judge orders them not to. That was my concern about putting CA and GA in the media overflow room. I know CA is going to put her spin on the evidence presented daily to anyone who will listen and imo she needs to be gagged. In addition I suspect the sympathy card to be played up to the max. The trauma factor that they both constantly remind the SA's of every time they take the stand.

 

[strach304]

Actually, he has done an incredible job with moving this case along. It is an enormous case with a huge amount of evidence and depositoins and he has managed to get it done and he has fulfilled his time requirement of a trial date of May 9th. He is incredible.

He has come through with decisions that most would get overturned; he knows every case and then some; he tells the lawyers what cases they are talking about. I don't know OneLost, I see a very knowledgeable judge who is doing a great service to Florida and getting a case moving where most would be lagging behind.

He is probably the best judge I have ever seen on the bench.

A also really like the fact that he has taken longer to rule on the more complex Frye issues. It seems like he has done an abundance of research before deciding. I think it was AZ and/or RH that said we will see a much stricter judge once a jury is seated. IMO he has the patience of a saint. I thought he was quick to crack down on both CA and GA at the last hearing.

 

[aafromaa]

New docket entry:

04/25/2011 Motion
for Relatives of Victim to be Excused from the Rule of Sequestration and Memorandum of Law

IMO, The A's will not be able to keep quiet, and I am sure they will be called to the witness stand more than once. Thoughts.

I hadn't even thought about whether or not the A's would be allowed in the courtroom before they testify until this morning when I heard something about it on the news while getting ready for work. (As usual I'm a bit behind in my reading here on WS :maddening

From the comments here that I've read so far, most don't think the A's should be allowed in the courtroom until after they testify. And while I sort of understand the line of thinking that this is another way the A's are seeking some type of special privilege, I don't understand what difference it would make if they are allowed in the courtroom or not...

1) Regarding the concern of potential influence upon their testimony if allowed in the courtroom prior to testifying - are witnesses forbidden to watch the trial on tv? if so, how do they enforce that? if not, how would being in the courtroom expose a witness to more of a potential influence on their testimony than watching the trial on tv?
2) Regarding the concern of potential disruptions if allowed in the courtroom - wouldn't the solution for that be to remove them from the courtroom if they created a disruption just like one would expect for any observer in the courtroom?

I just don't see how it will make much difference whether they are allowed in or not. Either they will testify truthfully or they won't but whether they are in the courtroom or not won't likely stop them from watching the proceedings. It wouldn't stop me if I were the family of the victim or the accused - even if there is some law that says witnesses cannot watch the trial on tv before testifying - it wouldn't stop me from doing so - even if I was told doing so would mean fines or jail time - it wouldn't stop me. I wouldn't lie about it or try to hide it - I'd just accept whatever consequences there were for it - but I would likely be in the hallway just outside the courtroom with my laptop watching every moment. The only way I would not watch is if I was sequestered with no tv or internet - surely they cannot do that for all of the witnesses who might be called in a case like this. It may be that the rule keeping witnesses out of the courtroom no longer has the effect it once did - with Florida's sunshine laws and cameras in the courtroom - so I'm thinking, let them in - what difference will it make?

Now, I'm off to read everyone else's posts to see if someone has already answered my questions.

 

[wonders]

There is another set of grandparents to Caylee somewhere, maybe aunts and uncles too. IMO these are the people who should be front and center for Caylee. I wonder if they even know that Caylee could be their granddaughter.
The Anthony's gave up their rights when they turned their backs on 2 year old Caylee for Casey in my opinion.

 

[BigMomma]

Two main reasons IMO. The first to show a united front and support and belief in Casey's innocence mostly for the jury but I'd hazard a guess at the media as well. In another post a poster has confirmed as I suspected that Lippman (A's lawyers) has stated on in-session today that their clients will be giving interviews throughout the trial. I did not see it myself, it is posted on the legal questions thread asking if is is allowed. AZ has said yes, they can unless the judge orders them not to. That was my concern about putting CA and GA in the media overflow room. I know CA is going to put her spin on the evidence presented daily to anyone who will listen and imo she needs to be gagged. In addition I suspect the sympathy card to be played up to the max. The trauma factor that they both constantly remind the SA's of every time they take the stand.

I always thought anyone who was a part of a trial such as this could not discuss this case until the trial is over. Everybody wants to see a fair trial but how fair would it be for the ants to do a play by play on daily subject matter? One would think there'd be some serious repercussions if they did this. You'd think they could pull a bit of dignity up from somewhere and be quiet. One thing nobody needs is more of the circus atmosphere and between this and them trying to sit in everyday before they are called to testify, it would be disastirous.:maddening:

 

[Caligram]

CA and GA are hostile witnesses and would jump at the chance to cause a mistrial. I believe they would deliberately provoke the SA's, and have been planning their next moves. They simply cannot be trusted. This trial would have been over long ago, had it not been for the media madness stirred up by the A's. They lied, and tampered with evidence, meanwhile they prolonged/promoted the search for a “live” Caylee. Fake sightings, fake tips, fake fund-raising. This trial, the Caylee Anthony Case, would have been just another sad murder, long forgotten, had the A's been loyal to Caylee and just kept out of it so justice could prevail. Why should they be allowed to claim next of kin of the victim. They haven't supported the victim, Caylee Marie, haven't demanded justice for Caylee Marie. They have worked every angle they could come up with to get the defendant out of the charge of murder. How terribly sad that their relationship with Caylee Marie only took center stage and was flaunted when there was money to be gained from it. There is no reason why these two should be given any opportunity to cause a mistrial, which they would consider a win.
I can just picture GA on the witness stand, his face scrunched up in pain, hands folded prayer-like, as he blows a kiss to ICA - the jury "feeling his pain". Then CA gets on the stand, remembering or forgetting depending on whether it is beneficial to ICA. She will wear her Caylee jewelry, and look like the devastated grandmother she wants to depict to the jury. She only becomes "alive and on fire" if it is something she is promoting or denying.
No, the State of Florida has been far too tolerant of the Anthony family. Now, it is time to cry for justice, to cry real tears for the victim, little Caylee Marie.
IMO

 

[AlwaysShocked]

I personally do not care if Cindy Anthony EVER believes that Casey killed Caylee. I don't care if she believes the evidence or doesn't believe the evidence. But I DO care that the JURY is able to concentrate on the facts, the evidence and the testimony of the witnesses.

Therefore, I hope both Cindy and George are kept OUT of the courtroom. Period.

 

[azwriter]

I have really seriously thought about this and now think that the Anthony's should be called first and get their testimony out of the way. THEN, let them sit there and listen to all the evidence the SA's have. They need to face the reality of what Casey did to precious little Caylee.

I also think the Anthony's should have to hear the statements of their many contradictions testified to by LE. They need to hear the facts of the case in person all at once so that they can see and understand how LE, the Grand Jury, and the SA's Office came to know that Casey did murder Caylee. I want them to SEE and HEAR the evidence.

Little Caylee deserves to know that her grandparents have heard and seen the REAL story.

*Regardless, IF the Anthony's are allowed to be in the courtroom, I just have to wonder which one will have to be reprimanded first.

A good post I can agree with Law. I vote Cindy to be the first to throw a tantrum in open court.
jmo

 

[LolaMoon08]

I have really seriously thought about this and now think that the Anthony's should be called first and get their testimony out of the way. THEN, let them sit there and listen to all the evidence the SA's have. They need to face the reality of what Casey did to precious little Caylee.

I also think the Anthony's should have to hear the statements of their many contradictions testified to by LE. They need to hear the facts of the case in person all at once so that they can see and understand how LE, the Grand Jury, and the SA's Office came to know that Casey did murder Caylee. I want them to SEE and HEAR the evidence.

Little Caylee deserves to know that her grandparents have heard and seen the REAL story.

*Regardless, IF the Anthony's are allowed to be in the courtroom, I just have to wonder which one will have to be reprimanded first.

The problem is, as soon as the State brings in the evidence of exactly what happened to Caylee, the Anthony's will storm out of that courtroom. They are not there to find out the truth... they will not sit through the truth about what happened to Caylee. As soon as it gets too hard on them and they don't want to hear it... they will walk out. George and Cindy did just that when Jeff Ashton was explaining what Caylee's last few minutes of life may have been like.

There is no reason that they need to be in that courtroom until they are 100% finished with their testimony, which unfortunately for them, they are on both the State and the Defense's witness list! Maybe had they chosen to act like mature adults in the hearings last month... they would have had a chance to stay for the trial, but they chose to make it known that they have no plans to respect the courtroom when other witnesses are on that stand.

It is no one's fault, but their own if Judge Perry makes them sit outside of the gallery... they did this to themselves. They also can not just decide when it is convienient for themselves to be the family of the victim.

 

[mobius99]

I call this phony-baloney. Mommy dearest has visions of worldwide media coverage dancing in her head. Movie deals, interviews and books, OH MY! She ‘s ready for her close up Mr. DeMille. And Papa Joe? Don’t even get me started. He wants to be there. He needs to be there. Oh wait, staying away is option too.

This isn’t about KC and supporting her. This is the work of two twisted manipulative people who are drama addicted. I can’t imagine their cold turkey program was their idea and now they see the biggest drama pushers all lining up and they need their fix.

What a frackin’ travesty.

 

[crucibelle]

I do not believe for a second that the Anthony's really love their daughter or even really support her... it is all an act. Think about it... before all this happened, we have heard that Casey and her mother were constantly at each others throats. Cindy called ICA a psychopath, and unfit mother, and no telling what else. George certainly didn't think too highly of ICA, either.

After all of this.. bam.. they are all of a sudden a loving family and think Casey is the most wonderful thing since sliced bread and they have proclaimed their undying support for her, even at the expense of sweet little Caylee. Why??? Because ALL Cindy and George care about are APPEARANCES. They will NEVER accept the fact that they raised a MURDERESS... it just looks too bad on them. The sad irony of it all is, if they would have supported their granddaughter instead of their murderess spawn, people would not think as negatively of them. They have brought their own worst fear upon themselves, by their actions.

These people, George and Cindy -- they each only love ONE person in the world. Cindy loves HERSELF. George loves HIMSELF. All else be damned. They don't give a rat's patoody about Casey -- and I'm not saying they should -- I just find it baffling how far they will go to SAVE FACE. In my opinion, these two don't know how to love anyone but themselves. That is why they were so easily able to forget Caylee, to just sweep her memory under the rug. I don't believe they ever really loved her, either. People, to them, are just objects -- things to stroke their own egos. Just to be clear, I don't think Cindy & George's behaviour/personality/whatever in any way excuses what Casey has done. People come from homes even more dysfunctional than the Anthony's and don't go around murdering people, much less their own children. Well, this is all just my opinion, of course.

To keep this more on topic, I'm just going to say that i really hope His Honor keeps these nasty, evil people OUT of the courtroom. They come off like petulant, spoiled little children. If there is even a remote chance that their little outbursts (both verbal and non) will cause a mistrial.. OUT. In fact, I'd go so far as to hope that they can't be in the courtroom even AFTER their testimony is done. JMO.

 

[4realtho]

I would love to give George and Cindy the benefit of the doubt but they have proven over and over that they can't be trusted. It just saddens me that they have tried everything possible to block the justice that Caylee deserves so badly.

Sure, the Anthony's want to be in court for many reasons and not one of those reasons are to seek Justice for Caylee or to support Caylee. I truly believe if they are allowed to attend the trial, they will purposely bring attention to themselves in hopes of getting a mistrial. With all the recent rulings going against Tot Mom; Cindy, George and the DT are getting desperate. They know Casey is going down and in their feeble minds, a mistrial is the only option available at this stage in the game. Just think, if Cindy can pull off a mistrial, then maybe...just maybe Casey will give her another smile. Get your tickets people, because the Circus is coming.

 

[Melanie]

Maybe they won't be able to collect disability/donations if they don't attend. I doubt they would attend for anyone but themselves.

MOO

Mel

 

[Melanie]

This is my wish.. I wish Cindy could control herself so that she could be in the courtroom throughout the trial.. that she would have to sit through all the testimony, see all the evidence.. listen to everything- the truth. and that it will finally wake her up so she can get past all this denial and perhaps become the kind of mother she likes to pretend she is.. one who really loves their child unconditionally ..regardless of what she's done.

I think this woman needs to sit through this trial if she is ever going to be able to come to grips with her truth.

IMHO she is going to make an absolute scene. Once the autopsy photos are up, she will storm out of the courtroom and slam the door. Same when Yuri is up, same when the dog handlers are up. This will be her way of telling the jurors - don't believe the ridiculous things they are saying! She will heavy sigh, cross her arms, tap her feet, feign faintness - all the while GA will be there with hands to head shaking "no, no, no".

If the judge rules in their favour I will be really suprised!

MOO

Mel