Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey #2

[imstilla.grandma]

DNA found in JonBenet's underwear has not been tested using genealogical methods because technology is not yet sensitive enough to develop a profile.

“It’s not if but when,” said John Andrew Ramsey.

Before now, no one except investigators knew if the mystery DNA had been tested for a genealogical profile.

'It’s not if but when:' Family hopes emerging DNA science will unlock clues in JonBenet Ramsey case

JonBenet Ramsey's family met with Boulder police and are confident that new DNA testing may provide more information on the case. Boulder Police continue to make solving the case a priority.

denvergazette.com

 

[Ponytale]

Ramsey warrant dated December 27, 1996

Ramsey warrant dated December 27, 1996. JonBenét Ramsey | Daily Camera Archive

www.dailycamera.com

Quote from the article:
“To simply state that there’s no innocent way that this DNA could have arrived at separate sites on JonBenet’s underwear … there’s simply no scientific justification to make such a statement,” Danielson said. “It’s just simply not true.”

Danielson offered a hypothetical: Say JonBenet had physical contact with other kids she was recently playing with, or had contact at a party on Christmas night, or say she touched anything bearing others’ DNA; she could have then transferred that genetic material to her own clothes simply while getting dressed."

 

[GRT]

Ramsey warrant dated December 27, 1996

Ramsey warrant dated December 27, 1996. JonBenét Ramsey | Daily Camera Archive

www.dailycamera.com

Quote from the article:
“To simply state that there’s no innocent way that this DNA could have arrived at separate sites on JonBenet’s underwear … there’s simply no scientific justification to make such a statement,” Danielson said. “It’s just simply not true.”

Danielson offered a hypothetical: Say JonBenet had physical contact with other kids she was recently playing with, or had contact at a party on Christmas night, or say she touched anything bearing others’ DNA; she could have then transferred that genetic material to her own clothes simply while getting dressed."

While it's not possible to prove a negative--so, we can't prove that the DNA got in her panties some other way, it's highly unlikely.

The two drops of blood in her panties were both mixed with DNA (likely saliva) of an unknown male. The same unknown male's DNA was under her fingernails.

To me, it comes down to -- what are the odds, and while I'm no statistician, I think the odds are heavily against the DNA being anyone's but the killer's.

 

[GRT]

A week or so ago, we were talking about whether most people now thought the Ramseys were guilty in the death of JonBenet or innocent. I mentioned that in my experience, I thought most people now think the Ramseys were always innocent.

Today, I ran across this DNA update story, and it's interesting, but even more interesting are the comments that follow the story. I'll leave to WS'ers to decide what boat they think most folks are in.

JonBenet Ramsey’s Dad Shares New Update After Meeting with Boulder P.D.: "I Think..."

John Ramsey is still pushing to find his daughter's killer almost 30 years later, and met with police to discuss re-testing DNA evidence.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Ponytale]

A week or so ago, we were talking about whether most people now thought the Ramseys were guilty in the death of JonBenet or innocent. I mentioned that in my experience, I thought most people now think the Ramseys were always innocent.

Today, I ran across this DNA update story, and it's interesting, but even more interesting are the comments that follow the story. I'll leave to WS'ers to decide what boat they think most folks are in.

My question is, again, - why would it matter? Is it a competition of some sort? You sure make it seem so...

There are also many articles and videos where a majority of the people commenting happen to believe RDI. I do not see the RDI believers here pointing those out for everyone to "pick a side".

 

[GRT]

My question is, again, - why would it matter? Is it a competition of some sort? You sure make it seem so...

There are also many articles and videos where a majority of the people commenting happen to believe RDI. I do not see the RDI believers here pointing those out for everyone to "pick a side".

I'm just pointing it out because I've observed opinions changing as new evidence is released.

I do think that on true crime sites, the opinion favors blaming the R's, but I don't think that is the general consensus, which is why I wanted to mention it.

I do get a sense of competition from some here, though. And, I'm also seeing a lot of unsubstantiated claims.

 

[Marie A]

Ok. So it’s unlikely the perp hadn’t been in the house before the night of the murder. He knew his way around. In other words, he is not completely unknown to the Ramseys. IMO

Since whole genome sequencing doesn’t cost much anymore, why not sample the relatives of Ramsey’s friends and neighbors? Those that are willing, obviously.

That would likely be much cheaper and faster than genetic genealogy, which you should primarily resort to if you have no clue at all.

IMHO

This is hard to say- whether this was the first time the killer was in the house.
There was no alarm set and there were no cameras.
Early on I speculated that the killer was possibly a member of a catering crew or a workman who had access to the house. There were constant comings and goings like at any wealthy social home- the Ramseys hosted social gatherings for friends and for charities ( the charity gatherings would have included acquaintances or those they hardly knew or didn’t know at all.) But I personally doubt that this was anyone in their social or charity circle. There was regular catering help from various groups and maids and maintenance workers were regularly in the home.
I personally think that the killer was a pedophile who had a fixation on JB. I think he fantasized about her and adored her and decided to take her as a Christmas present to himself. The killer was not an idiot and had many hours in the house alone on Christmas Day after he observed the Ramseys leave. He walked the whole house relentlessly and found John’s bonus check notes visibly on his desk at home. He composed the note on paper he found when trawling through the house. He may have originally planned to take JB or he knew he wouldn’t remove her. He may have had no plan other than to take JB for himself/ to live out his fantasy. She was a truly gorgeous child - thereby the fixation by several freaks whose DNA didn’t match the scene. Various freaks & pedos were fixated on stunning little JB but one alone was fixated enough to take her as his own. The note was not written in duress but rather was calculated and written before the Ramseys returned that night. He waited hidden in the basement until the family slept then he took her.
I have never ever and never ever will believe the perp was a family member.
This perp easily entered and exited this house through the basement window.
If he had been in the house alone before he could have even taken a spare key to the house. Hard to say if his first time alone in the sprawling house was that night but either way, he had hours to explore- to go through John’s desk and notes, to take Patsy’s paper notepad and compose a ransom note, to know his way around, to determine where he would assault JB after he took her from her room. He had plenty of time to go through Patsy’s art supplies and make his garotte. If he had been in the house alone before- if he had entered before when observing the family leaving- he may have seen Patsy’s calendar and known exactly where they were going on Christmas night and what time they would be leaving. Hard to say- but I definitely think he entered undeterred after observing the family leaving and he knew he had the gift of time before they returned. His Christmas gift to himself was to live out his sick fantasy. This was not someone with a vendetta against John, this was someone fixated on a beautiful child that he wanted for himself.
All IMHO

 

[Ponytale]

This is hard to say- whether this was the first time the killer was in the house.
There was no alarm set and there were no cameras.
Early on I speculated that the killer was possibly a member of a catering crew or a workman who had access to the house. There were constant comings and goings like at any wealthy social home- the Ramseys hosted social gatherings for friends and for charities ( the charity gatherings would have included acquaintances or those they hardly knew or didn’t know at all.) But I personally doubt that this was anyone in their social or charity circle. There was regular catering help from various groups and maids and maintenance workers were regularly in the home.
I personally think that the killer was a pedophile who had a fixation on JB. I think he fantasized about her and adored her and decided to take her as a Christmas present to himself. The killer was not an idiot and had many hours in the house alone on Christmas Day after he observed the Ramseys leave. He walked the whole house relentlessly and found John’s bonus check notes visibly on his desk at home. He composed the note on paper he found when trawling through the house. He may have originally planned to take JB or he knew he wouldn’t remove her. He may have had no plan other than to take JB for himself/ to live out his fantasy. She was a truly gorgeous child - thereby the fixation by several freaks whose DNA didn’t match the scene. Various freaks & pedos were fixated on stunning little JB but one alone was fixated enough to take her as his own. The note was not written in duress but rather was calculated and written before the Ramseys returned that night. He waited hidden in the basement until the family slept then he took her.
I have never ever and never ever will believe the perp was a family member.
This perp easily entered and exited this house through the basement window.
If he had been in the house alone before he could have even taken a spare key to the house. Hard to say if his first time alone in the sprawling house was that night but either way, he had hours to explore- to go through John’s desk and notes, to take Patsy’s paper notepad and compose a ransom note, to know his way around, to determine where he would assault JB after he took her from her room. He had plenty of time to go through Patsy’s art supplies and make his garotte. If he had been in the house alone before- if he had entered before when observing the family leaving- he may have seen Patsy’s calendar and known exactly where they were going on Christmas night and what time they would be leaving. Hard to say- but I definitely think he entered undeterred after observing the family leaving and he knew he had the gift of time before they returned. His Christmas gift to himself was to live out his sick fantasy. This was not someone with a vendetta against John, this was someone fixated on a beautiful child that he wanted for himself.
All IMHO

But if you believe that the intruder wanted JonBenet for himself - why didn't he just chloroform her while she was asleep in her bed and take her with him? If he had time to be obsessed he must have had time to think it through. He could have taken her and kept her in his trailer/basement/bunker "form himself" for a long period of time. A criminal motivated by obsession and possession, would more likely have her for a longer period of time then just a few hours that ended with killing her, wouldn't he? IMO

 

[Marie A]

But if you believe that the intruder wanted JonBenet for himself - why didn't he just chloroform her while she was asleep in her bed and take her with him? If he had time to be obsessed he must have had time to think it through. He could have taken her and kept her in his trailer/basement/bunker "form himself" for a long period of time. A criminal motivated by obsession and possession, would more likely have her for a longer period of time then just a few hours that ended with killing her, wouldn't he? IMO

I have read your continued arguments throughout this thread.
I admire your tenacity and you make some good points.
We are simply on completely opposite pages in our beliefs about this case and will need to agree to disagree.
Respectfully we all are entitled to our own opinions.

I have enormous continued empathy for the horrific way that the Ramsey family continues to suffer from false and often malicious allegations.
I doubt anything will ever convince you that JBs loving family members are indeed innocent but I would almost bet my life on knowing that they are innocent.
I feel that strongly and I have felt that strongly since day #1.

People love to see others knocked from their pedestals. They love to see the wealthy and privileged fall. It’s a very sad truth. There is distinct animosity towards those with more. Not only this but there is a gross misunderstanding about how the wealthy and privileged live and operate unless you are part of their circle.

“Why didn’t they do this, why didn’t they do that”

The killer wanted JB but may never have planned to remove her from the home and may have always planned to sadistically kill her.
Who knows why he didn’t use chloroform? Maybe his fantasy included her being conscious/ awake until she wasn’t?

I’m praying that there are indeed strong and intelligent detectives within the Boulder police department who will see this through and praying fervently that advances in DNA testing will finally solve this horrific case. John, Burke and this entire family deserve to get concrete answers regarding the killer because they are still being crucified by those who think they are GUILTY despite being cleared and INNOCENT per the Boulder Police Department. They are still fodder for horrific insinuations and awful speculation which could not be further from the truth.
I cannot state how much I admire John Ramsey for having the strength and compassion to keep fighting for justice OUT OF LOVE FOR HIS FUTURE FAMILY GENERATIONS. He wants the cloud lifted and he deserves that.
I cannot even imagine the pain of reading the malicious accusations still levied against his beloved deceased Patsy who loved JB more than life itself.
MAY TRUTH AND JUSTICE PREVAIL and may he live long enough to know exactly who killed his beloved daughter.
all IMHO

 

[Bekind89]

I have read your continued arguments throughout this thread.
I admire your tenacity and you make some good points.
We are simply on completely opposite pages in our beliefs about this case and will need to agree to disagree.
Respectfully we all are entitled to our own opinions.

I have enormous continued empathy for the horrific way that the Ramsey family continues to suffer from false and often malicious allegations.
I doubt anything will ever convince you that JBs loving family members are indeed innocent but I would almost bet my life on knowing that they are innocent.
I feel that strongly and I have felt that strongly since day #1.

People love to see others knocked from their pedestals. They love to see the wealthy and privileged fall. It’s a very sad truth. There is distinct animosity towards those with more. Not only this but there is a gross misunderstanding about how the wealthy and privileged live and operate unless you are part of their circle.

“Why didn’t they do this, why didn’t they do that”

The killer wanted JB but may never have planned to remove her from the home and may have always planned to sadistically kill her.
Who knows why he didn’t use chloroform? Maybe his fantasy included her being conscious/ awake until she wasn’t?

I’m praying that there are indeed strong and intelligent detectives within the Boulder police department who will see this through and praying fervently that advances in DNA testing will finally solve this horrific case. John, Burke and this entire family deserve to get concrete answers regarding the killer because they are still being crucified by those who think they are GUILTY despite being cleared and INNOCENT per the Boulder Police Department. They are still fodder for horrific insinuations and awful speculation which could not be further from the truth.
I cannot state how much I admire John Ramsey for having the strength and compassion to keep fighting for justice OUT OF LOVE FOR HIS FUTURE FAMILY GENERATIONS. He wants the cloud lifted and he deserves that.
I cannot even imagine the pain of reading the malicious accusations still levied against his beloved deceased Patsy who loved JB more than life itself.
MAY TRUTH AND JUSTICE PREVAIL and may he live long enough to know exactly who killed his beloved daughter.
all IMHO

Respectfully, neither you nor I know what went on in the Ramsey home behind closed doors.
You say PR loved JB more than life, but you have no idea nor do I about how JB was treated in that home.
Unless you are saying you know/knew them. Did you?

 

[Ponytale]

I have read your continued arguments throughout this thread.
I admire your tenacity and you make some good points.
We are simply on completely opposite pages in our beliefs about this case and will need to agree to disagree.
Respectfully we all are entitled to our own opinions.

I have enormous continued empathy for the horrific way that the Ramsey family continues to suffer from false and often malicious allegations.
I doubt anything will ever convince you that JBs loving family members are indeed innocent but I would almost bet my life on knowing that they are innocent.
I feel that strongly and I have felt that strongly since day #1.

People love to see others knocked from their pedestals. They love to see the wealthy and privileged fall. It’s a very sad truth. There is distinct animosity towards those with more. Not only this but there is a gross misunderstanding about how the wealthy and privileged live and operate unless you are part of their circle.

“Why didn’t they do this, why didn’t they do that”

The killer wanted JB but may never have planned to remove her from the home and may have always planned to sadistically kill her.
Who knows why he didn’t use chloroform? Maybe his fantasy included her being conscious/ awake until she wasn’t?

I’m praying that there are indeed strong and intelligent detectives within the Boulder police department who will see this through and praying fervently that advances in DNA testing will finally solve this horrific case. John, Burke and this entire family deserve to get concrete answers regarding the killer because they are still being crucified by those who think they are GUILTY despite being cleared and INNOCENT per the Boulder Police Department. They are still fodder for horrific insinuations and awful speculation which could not be further from the truth.
I cannot state how much I admire John Ramsey for having the strength and compassion to keep fighting for justice OUT OF LOVE FOR HIS FUTURE FAMILY GENERATIONS. He wants the cloud lifted and he deserves that.
I cannot even imagine the pain of reading the malicious accusations still levied against his beloved deceased Patsy who loved JB more than life itself.
MAY TRUTH AND JUSTICE PREVAIL and may he live long enough to know exactly who killed his beloved daughter.
all IMHO

I wasn't asking those questions to argue with you or dispute what you have said. I never do that for that reason. I only ask questions for myself and purposely avoid writing statements like "It is not what happened and could never have happened" - quite the opposite, I often write that I respect other theories and love to think along with them.
I only like to ask more questions because it helps me to understand a theory or an idea better. That is why I asked questions in your post too - just to clarify your theory and understand why you believe what you believe. It's not to insult or diminish... and I apologize if it felt this way. I believe that questions should be asked, because it helps to keep an open mind.

If I have insulted you, I'm sorry - it was not my intention and it never is. Maybe my wording is not correct sometimes, because my native language is not English and in my native language grammar rules are quite different - if I think in my native language I write my words in my sentence too like they are in my native language and it may seem odd sometimes. That is also why I often edit my posts - I go back after and fix grammar mistakes or try to re-phrase my sentence to make it more understandable.

It is acceptable to stay on different opinions and I do not try to make others believe in what I believe - it's good to be open minded to all theories as nothing has been proven to be wrong. Believing in one theory, to me, does not mean that it is all I'm after. I also hope that one day justice will be served, no matter who did it - Ramsey's or not - I will be glad if this case could finally be solved. If it is proven that an intruder is behind it all and the Ramsey's found to be completely innocent- I will apologize here and to the Ramsey's for believing otherwise.

 

[Bekind89]

I wasn't asking those questions to argue with you or dispute what you have said. I never do that for that reason. I only ask questions for myself and purposely avoid writing statements like "It is not what happened and could never have happened" - quite the opposite, I often write that I respect other theories and love to think along with them.
I only like to ask more questions because it helps me to understand a theory or an idea better. That is why I asked questions in your post too - just to clarify your theory and understand why you believe what you believe. It's not to insult or diminish... and I apologize if it felt this way.

If I have insulted you, I'm sorry - it was not not my intention and it never is. Maybe my wording is not correct sometimes, because my native language is not English and in my native language grammar rules are quite different - if I think in my native language I write my words in my sentence too like they are in my native language and it may seem odd sometimes. That is also why I often edit my posts - I go back after and fix grammar mistakes or try to re-phrase my sentence to make it more understandable.

It is acceptable to stay on different opinions and I do not try to make others believe in what I believe - it's good to be open minded to all theories as nothing has been proven to be wrong.

Exactly. We will sadly never know what happened in that house the night JB was murdered and we will also never know the true family dynamics of the Ramsey's.
It was my belief that JR was gaslighting PR as I believe with all of my heart that he was SA'ing his daughter and it got tragically out of hand and he hurt her that night out of anger and fear of being caught.

But having further looked at the evidence after taking a decades long break from this case, I can't rule out any of Ramsey's.
But I have searched and searched for evidence of an intruder and it just isn't there and I wanted it be an intruder, not a family member.
That is my opinion, others feel differently and I understand that. I don't agree, but I understand and respect everyone's right to their opinion.
ETA- You have always been respectful to me.

 

[Marie A]

Respectfully, neither you nor I know what went on in the Ramsey home behind closed doors.
You say PR loved JB more than life, but you have no idea nor do I about how JB was treated in that home.
Unless you are saying you know/knew them. Did you?

Laughing a bit that this was asked and I even have to answer this.
Wow.
I’m a mother who loves her own children more than life itself and I am very certain that Patsy loved her children in the same way.
She was completely grief stricken by this tragedy and did her best to shield and protect Burke by uprooting to Atlanta where she had some support.
There is nothing at all to suggest that JB was treated poorly but just the opposite.
Doctors of JB confirmed that nothing pointed towards abuse.
Patsy was a stay at home home mom by choice & privilege who completely doted on her kids and adored them.
She bonded with her talented, joyful and gregarious daughter through their mutual love of the pageant circuit (which sadly made this horrific crime more interesting to the press and public- and which both Patsy & John later stated was a mistake as it may have put their daughter at risk by exposure)
JB was a joyful and exuberant child. She was happy and extroverted and she reveled in attention.
There has never been an insinuation in the slightest by anyone who personally knew the Ramseys that Patsy mistreated her children in her home.
It’s amazing how many people bottom feed and want to believe the worst about others.
Granted there are monsters and abusers out there but Patsy was not one of them.
I did not know her personally but my heart has always gone out to her.
I know her type well. May she rest in peace.
imho

 

[Bekind89]

Laughing a bit that this was asked and I even have to answer this.
Wow.
I’m a mother who loves her own children more than life itself and I am very certain that Patsy loved her children in the same way.
She was completely grief stricken by this tragedy and did her best to shield and protect Burke by uprooting to Atlanta where she had some support.
There is nothing at all to suggest that JB was treated poorly but just the opposite.
Doctors of JB confirmed that nothing pointed towards abuse.
Patsy was a stay at home home mom by choice & privilege who completely doted on her kids and adored them.
She bonded with her talented, joyful and gregarious daughter through their mutual love of the pageant circuit (which sadly made this horrific crime more interesting to the press and public- and which both Patsy & John later stated was a mistake as it may have put their daughter at risk by exposure)
JB was a joyful and exuberant child. She was happy and extroverted and she reveled in attention.
There has never been an insinuation in the slightest by anyone who personally knew the Ramseys that Patsy mistreated her children in her home.
It’s amazing how many people bottom feed and want to believe the worst about others.
Granted there are monsters and abusers out there but Patsy was not one of them.
I did not know her personally but my heart has always gone out to her.
I know her type well. May she rest in peace.
imho

And those are your OPINIONS because none of us knows what Patsy felt. We can guess, but we have no way of actually knowing her true feelings.
I also believe she loved her daughter, but that doesn't mean she didn't lose her temper and accidentally hurt her daughter.
I continue to believe that JR killed JB, I always have and I always will, but that is only my opinion, nothing else.

 

[Marie A]

I wasn't asking those questions to argue with you or dispute what you have said. I never do that for that reason. I only ask questions for myself and purposely avoid writing statements like "It is not what happened and could never have happened" - quite the opposite, I often write that I respect other theories and love to think along with them.
I only like to ask more questions because it helps me to understand a theory or an idea better. That is why I asked questions in your post too - just to clarify your theory and understand why you believe what you believe. It's not to insult or diminish... and I apologize if it felt this way. I believe that questions should be asked, because it helps to keep an open mind.

If I have insulted you, I'm sorry - it was not my intention and it never is. Maybe my wording is not correct sometimes, because my native language is not English and in my native language grammar rules are quite different - if I think in my native language I write my words in my sentence too like they are in my native language and it may seem odd sometimes. That is also why I often edit my posts - I go back after and fix grammar mistakes or try to re-phrase my sentence to make it more understandable.

It is acceptable to stay on different opinions and I do not try to make others believe in what I believe - it's good to be open minded to all theories as nothing has been proven to be wrong. Believing in one theory, to me, does not mean that it is all I'm after. I also hope that one day justice will be served, no matter who did it - Ramsey's or not - I will be glad if this case could finally be solved. If it is proven that an intruder is behind it all and the Ramsey's found to be completely innocent- I will apologize here and to the Ramsey's for believing otherwise.

I was not insulted by your original question but to clarify now-
You sound like you are quoting me on something I did not say
“It is not what happened and could never have happened”
I never made that statement so it is not fair to attribute that quote to me in this post.

You did not insult me on your previous post.
WHEN YOU QUOTE MY POST I FEEL COMPELLED TO ANSWER though.
I have not quoted any of your posts that I disagree with.
I have scrolled and rolled as the mods ask us to do.

This is a dialogue between adults and as I previously stated we can agree to disagree - and can certainly do so in a civil manner.
Your grammar is fine and even commendable if this is not your native language.
There are no apologies necessary.

When I state that all I write is just IMHO it is just that- my own personal opinion and nothing more.

 

[Bekind89]

I was not insulted by your original question but to clarify now-
You sound like you are quoting me on something I did not say
“It is not what happened and could never have happened”
I never made that statement so it is not fair to attribute that quote to me in this post.

You did not insult me on your previous post.
WHEN YOU QUOTE MY POST I FEEL COMPELLED TO ANSWER though.
I have not quoted any of your posts that I disagree with.
I have scrolled and rolled as the mods ask us to do.

This is a dialogue between adults and as I previously stated we can agree to disagree - and can certainly do so in a civil manner.
Your grammar is fine and even commendable if this is not your native language.
There are no apologies necessary.

When I state that all I write is just IMHO it is just that- my own personal opinion and nothing more.

For me personally, I have truly struggled to understand PR. I never thought she hurt JB, at least not intentionally, but that RN bothers me. A lot.

 

[Ponytale]

I was not insulted by your original question but to clarify now-
You sound like you are quoting me on something I did not say
“It is not what happened and could never have happened”
I never made that statement so it is not fair to attribute that quote to me in this post.

No, it was not meant as a quote - it was meant as an example of what I avoid posting. My mistake. I added the quotation marks to that part of the sentence (I know it's not grammatically correct as it is not meant as a quote), not to quote you but to make note/point out a similar sentence that I try to avoid. If you understand what I'm trying to say...

You did not insult me on your previous post.
WHEN YOU QUOTE MY POST I FEEL COMPELLED TO ANSWER though.

Yes, and I'm happy if people do that. I do the same. I quote posts that are interesting to me and I discuss them. I try to do it in a friendly manner - asking questions and expressing my ideas as opinions. I'm also happy to answer questions from others regarding my posts - it is welcome in a public forum and helps to understand each others ideas better, IMO.

I hope that posters here know that too - that we all can discuss different ideas, theories and opinions in a civil manner, even if we disagree. And I welcome that idea, because it broadens the perspective and helps to see things from other points of view. All we have are our opinions - but they too can be questioned, politely. I'm always happy to answer other posters questions, but I feel confronted when a poster does not ask a question, but rather chooses to diminish the idea in the first place. If it is a fact that is proven to be wrong, it is welcomed to be corrected as a mistake and sourced to what is actually known to be true. But if it is only written as an opinion - all opinions should be accepted the same. And that is what I try to do.

Thank you for commenting on my grammar - I often feel insecure, but practice makes better.

 

[Marie A]

And those are your OPINIONS because none of us knows what Patsy felt. We can guess, but we have no way of actually knowing her true feelings.
I also believe she loved her daughter, but that doesn't mean she didn't lose her temper and accidentally hurt her daughter.
I continue to believe that JR killed JB, I always have and I always will, but that is only my opinion, nothing else.

Ok answering again as you once again are quoting my post.
I have never once quoted one of your posts that I disagree with.
Per instruction from the mods I “scroll and roll”
You are certainly entitled to your opinion with all due respect as we all are.
My heart hurts though that you will always believe that John killed his daughter- despite being formally cleared by police and despite DNA evidence that is present and does not match John that could well identify the true killer.
My heart hurts for the entire Ramsey family that there are people who will always feel they are guilty even after being cleared and even if the true killer is formally identified/ charged. Ouch.
To lose your beloved child in this heinous way is beyond dreadful.
To be accused of the crime as a parent adds the worst insult to injury.
Ask Madeleine McCann’s parents about that.
It’s the absolute worst nightmare any parent could endure.
Praying for justice to provide peace in this case.
All imho

 

[Bekind89]

Ok answering again as you once again are quoting my post.
I have never once quoted one of your posts that I disagree with.
Per instruction from the mods I “scroll and roll”
You are certainly entitled to your opinion with all due respect as we all are.
My heart hurts though that you will always believe that John killed his daughter- despite being formally cleared by police and despite DNA evidence that is present and does not match John that could well identify the true killer.
My heart hurts for the entire Ramsey family that there are people who will always feel they are guilty even after being cleared and even if the true killer is formally identified/ charged. Ouch.
To lose your beloved child in this heinous way is beyond dreadful.
To be accused of the crime as a parent adds the worst insult to injury.
Ask Madeleine McCann’s parents about that.
It’s the absolute worst nightmare any parent could endure.
Praying for justice to provide peace in this case.
All imho

Ok answering again as you once again are quoting my post.
I have never once quoted one of your posts that I disagree with.
Per instruction from the mods I “scroll and roll”
You are certainly entitled to your opinion with all due respect as we all are.
My heart hurts though that you will always believe that John killed his daughter- despite being formally cleared by police and despite DNA evidence that is present and does not match John that could well identify the true killer.
My heart hurts for the entire Ramsey family that there are people who will always feel they are guilty even after being cleared and even if the true killer is formally identified/ charged. Ouch.
To lose your beloved child in this heinous way is beyond dreadful.
To be accused of the crime as a parent adds the worst insult to injury.
Ask Madeleine McCann’s parents about that.
It’s the absolute worst nightmare any parent could endure.
Praying for justice to provide peace in this case.
All imho

Yes, I always will believe he killed JB.
Everyone has the right their own opinions, and that is mine.

 

[Marie A]

A week or so ago, we were talking about whether most people now thought the Ramseys were guilty in the death of JonBenet or innocent. I mentioned that in my experience, I thought most people now think the Ramseys were always innocent.

Today, I ran across this DNA update story, and it's interesting, but even more interesting are the comments that follow the story. I'll leave to WS'ers to decide what boat they think most folks are in.

JonBenet Ramsey’s Dad Shares New Update After Meeting with Boulder P.D.: "I Think..."

John Ramsey is still pushing to find his daughter's killer almost 30 years later, and met with police to discuss re-testing DNA evidence.

www.yahoo.com

I want to thank GRT for posting this and especially for mentioning the comments that follow the story.
Super interesting and enlightening.
They make me personally feel positive and full of hope that this case will be resolved.
The following is my favorite comment following the story and the one that rings true to me.

All IMHO


Otter63
31 January, 2025

This case is the biggest travesty in the history of US crimes. They have played this out long enough. Why hasn't the FBI or CIA been involved, since it seems to be the local Law Enforcement is part of the crime that has been committed? Talk about a "Cover Up".