Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey

[penelopemcswain]

Okay, can you unpack your intruder did it theory?
Was it an intruder known to the Rs or a random stranger?
How did they travel to and from the R home?
I will set aside how did they enter and exit for now.
Was the intruder there to kidnap JBR? Or to murder her? Or to SA her?
If there to SA, why bother with the RN, especially if leaving the body behind?
If there to murder her, why leave a RN?
If there to kidnap her, why not get the heck out of there once JBR was taken from her bedroom?
What did the intruder come prepared with? The RN was written on PR’s notepad with her pen. The SA was with PR’s art supplies.
I’ll set aside the “fed pineapple” for now.
I don’t buy the RN being dramatic and long due to spinning out. Who spins out into stealing lines from Dirty Harry movies? Or utter ridiculousness - “we are a foreign faction”. A true RN would be short and to the point - I have your daughter. Wait for my call. $118,000. No police or I kill her”
Why leave the body behind but also leave the RN behind?
IMO, an intruder would be there for one purpose - pick one.
Kidnap? Leave short note and take JBR with you when you leave. No need for SA, murder, garrotté etc.
SA? Commit the act then leave. No RN required.
Murder? Commit the act then leave. No SA or RN required.
All imo

Most of your questions can't be answered. I don't have case files. I don't know how an intruder could have gotten in. I'm guessing there are lots of ways into a big house which didn't seem to have a security system. I don't know what their original motive would have been or why they would write a ransom note.

As far as SA, nothing about any of it says the family - any family other than a deeply depraved psychopathic one that would have tons of other evidence of their depravity - could have done it. I'm not saying that incest / child abuse / child murder by a family member don't happen, they just don't generally happen like that, not without a long history of horrific abuse. I think a lot of the confusion about this case stems from having much lighter / less graphic info on the actual murder at the time than we have now. And maybe a lack of understanding about the patterns of abuse and how it just doesn't seem to fit. It fits much more with, sorry to be blunt, but someone unrelated who intended to just do whatever to this child and discard them.

And as far as the ransom note, how is it showing anything other than someone spinning out? Whether Patsy or an intruder, it's pretty unhinged.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I don

I’m sorry, but I find it absolutely ludicrous that some people are more willing to believe that a nine year old child perpetrated a violent sexual assault against his little sister, murdered her, left her body in that state, and was subsequently protected by his parents, who proceeded to cover up the crime and lie about it for decades, than even entertain the notion that an intruder could have possibly done it.

I dont find it ludicrous.
Patsy was all about appearances. Like dressing her daughter all up, without bathing her and having her wear stained up panties.
I believe Patsy was well aware that Burke had been inappropriate with her many times before, even the housekeeper caught them.
She was too worried what other people would think to get help and certainly would NEVER admit it after her death.
I don’t believe an adult strangled her as there wasn’t a whole lot of muscle behind it.
I believe he used the paintbrush and train tracks to poke her.
I believe the clean up, the change of panties, the staging, the note, the covering her body up was all done by Patsy.
I don’t think Patsy ever went to bed that night.

 

[PoppyDoyle]

The killer was not an intruder. Don't believe the spin. I have no idea who killed JonBenet but there was no intruder and Patsy wrote the note in my opinion.
This case is literally why I got into true crime. December 1996.
I have watched some of the documentary and it's so slanted with the intruder spin it makes me angry.
Please look through our JBR forum and see the evidence presented so well here.
If you have proof of an intruder please present it. Until then we need to clear the people in the house and that has yet to happen. Feel free to ask any questions on this thread.
What is truly sad is people like me can show you the spin and the lies yet mainstream media ignores it all.

I’m still stuck on the unknown male DNA found on her clothing. And you really think a mother of a child that was just killed can compose herself enough to write a fake ransom note?

 

[Linda7NJ]

I’m still stuck on the unknown male DNA found on her clothing. And you really think a mother of a child that was just killed can compose herself enough to write a fake ransom note?

Yes.

The redressing and those brand new, out of the package, panties JonBenet was redressed with and the covering her body with a fresh clean blanket from the dryer proves to me, Patsy played a role.

Then add in her sweater fibers tied into the garrote knot, and found on the underside of the duct tape that John pulled from her mouth and left in the basement with the blanket.

Her pad & her pen, returned to the drawer and pen returned to the cup.
Phrases like “and hense” words like attaché

Her paint brush tote also littered with her sweater fibers - her paint brush

 

[Linda7NJ]

No one came through that window. That’s been long debunked. John stated all doors & windiws were locked and he rechecked after the Patsy “found the note” they were all still locked

 

[Linda7NJ]

I’m still stuck on the unknown male DNA found on her clothing. And you really think a mother of a child that was just killed can compose herself enough to write a fake ransom note?

According to the book "Foreign Faction - Who Really Kidnapped JonBenet?" by A. James Kolar, there were **six unique and unidentified genetic profiles** associated with the DNA found in the JonBenét Ramsey case. These included **five male profiles and one female profile**.

 

[PoppyDoyle]

If someone in the family did this and wrote a ransom note, why didn’t they remove her body from the house?

 

[PoppyDoyle]

According to the book "Foreign Faction - Who Really Kidnapped JonBenet?" by A. James Kolar, there were **six unique and unidentified genetic profiles** associated with the DNA found in the JonBenét Ramsey case. These included **five male profiles and one female profile**.

I’ve been told recently it is ONE unidentified male DNA mixed with JBR’s blood.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Yes.

The redressing and those brand new, out of the package, panties JonBenet was redressed with and the covering her body with a fresh clean blanket from the dryer proves to me, Patsy played a role.

The underwear were soaked with urine, which tells us that she died wearing those. She wasn't redressed in a new pair, this would be the pair she had worn since before the White party. And that the blanket was in the dryer was just a guess from the housekeeper, who hadn't been in the house the last few days.

Then add in her sweater fibers tied into the garrote knot, and found on the underside of the duct tape that John pulled from her mouth and left in the basement with the blanket.

Patsy's sweater fibers weren't found anywhere on JonBenet. Red acrylic fibers that were consistent with that of Patsy's red-and-black checkered jacket were found, but that just means whatever garment it came from was made of the same type of material. And it was only red fibers of this type that were found. Not black.

Her pad & her pen, returned to the drawer and pen returned to the cup.
Phrases like “and hense” words like attaché

They're words, and not that strange or obscure either.

Her paint brush tote also littered with her sweater fibers - her paint brush

Again, not her sweater fibers.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

I don

I dont find it ludicrous.
Patsy was all about appearances. Like dressing her daughter all up, without bathing her and having her wear stained up panties.
I believe Patsy was well aware that Burke had been inappropriate with her many times before, even the housekeeper caught them.
She was too worried what other people would think to get help and certainly would NEVER admit it after her death.
I don’t believe an adult strangled her as there wasn’t a whole lot of muscle behind it.
I believe he used the paintbrush and train tracks to poke her.
I believe the clean up, the change of panties, the staging, the note, the covering her body up was all done by Patsy.
I don’t think Patsy ever went to bed that night.

100%

 

[Linda7NJ]

The underwear were soaked with urine, which tells us that she died wearing those. She wasn't redressed in a new pair, this would be the pair she had worn since before the White party. And that the blanket was in the dryer was just a guess from the housekeeper, who hadn't been in the house the last few days.



Patsy's sweater fibers weren't found anywhere on JonBenet. Red acrylic fibers that were consistent with that of Patsy's red-and-black checkered jacket were found, but that just means whatever garment it came from was made of the same type of material. And it was only red fibers of this type that were found. Not black.



They're words, and not that strange or obscure either.



Again, not her sweater fibers.

If JonBenet wore those extra large panties to the White’s party, as you claim… and I highly doubt.
there’s no telling how long she had been wearing them. She hadn’t been bathed in days.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

If JonBenet wore those extra large panties to the White’s party, as you claim… and I highly doubt.
there’s no telling how long she had been wearing them. She hadn’t been bathed in days.

She changed that afternoon, specifically to go to the Whites, and she dressed in what she wanted to wear. It makes sense that she would take the pair marked Wednesday, when that was the weekday Christmas Day fell on.

 

[Linda7NJ]

The underwear were soaked with urine, which tells us that she died wearing those. She wasn't redressed in a new pair, this would be the pair she had worn since before the White party. And that the blanket was in the dryer was just a guess from the housekeeper, who hadn't been in the house the last few days.



Patsy's sweater fibers weren't found anywhere on JonBenet. Red acrylic fibers that were consistent with that of Patsy's red-and-black checkered jacket were found, but that just means whatever garment it came from was made of the same type of material. And it was only red fibers of this type that were found. Not black.



They're words, and not that strange or obscure either.



Again, not her sweater fibers.

Why would an intruder, a complete stranger, want to cover her up and waste time looking around and in the dryer for a blanket?
Come on..

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

If JonBenet wore those extra large panties to the White’s party, as you claim… and I highly doubt.
there’s no telling how long she had been wearing them. She hadn’t been bathed in days.

My guess is she put those panties on when she got home and picked out her own mismatched sleeping clothes. I dont believe those are the pajamas Patsy would have sent her to bed in on Christmas night. It screamed of a 6 year old dressing herself.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Why would an intruder, a complete stranger, want to cover her up and waste time looking around and in the dryer for a blanket?
Come on..

Probably because the blanket was on her bed, not in the dryer - which was just a guess from the housekeeper. As for the rest, the killer had at some point decided to hide the body in the dark wine cellar.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

My guess is she put those panties on when she got home and picked out her own mismatched sleeping clothes. I dont believe those are the pajamas Patsy would have sent her to bed in on Christmas night. It screamed of a 6 year old dressing herself.

JonBenet was asleep when they came home. Patsy and John say they let her sleep in what she had been wearing to the Whites, they just removed the trousers and put on a pair of longjohns.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

JonBenet was asleep when they came home. Patsy and John say they let her sleep in what she had been wearing to the Whites, they just removed the trousers and put on a pair of longjohns.

Thats what they said.
That cant be proven.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Thats what they said.
That cant be proven.

Sure, but they would gain nothing from lying about it.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Probably because the blanket was on her bed, not in the dryer - which was just a guess from the housekeeper. As for the rest, the killer had at some point decided to hide the body in the dark wine cellar.

Probably and conclusively are very different and point to differnt people.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Probably and conclusively are very different and point to differnt people.

My point is, the only reason people claim the blanket was in the dryer was that the housekeeper, who hadn't been in the house for a few days, guessed it would have been.