Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey

[FergusMcDuck]

docyabut said:
Is it possible John Ramsey's oldest son was involved in this case? and wanted his father's bonus Christmas money ? He was so jealous of his father's new family and was not given more money and gifts on christmas time, Is it possible he hired some one to go get the money?
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Trying to reply to your post ^^ @docyabut but the format is weird lol...

Anyways, I wonder if super sleuthers on here who know this case inside and out (I don't know all the details but have always wanted this solved so bad for that little girl so jumped in pretty much!!) know if he was ruled out? And if him and JR have maintained a relationship all these years?

John Andrew was in Georgia that night, confirmed by police. He has been ruled out.

 

[getthefax]

The killer was not an intruder. Don't believe the spin. I have no idea who killed JonBenet but there was no intruder and Patsy wrote the note in my opinion.
This case is literally why I got into true crime. December 1996.
I have watched some of the documentary and it's so slanted with the intruder spin it makes me angry.
Please look through our JBR forum and see the evidence presented so well here.
If you have proof of an intruder please present it. Until then we need to clear the people in the house and that has yet to happen. Feel free to ask any questions on this thread.
What is truly sad is people like me can show you the spin and the lies yet mainstream media ignores it all.

Thank you!

 

[Lalalacasbah]

John Andrew was in Georgia that night, confirmed by police. He has been ruled out.

Thank you! So many players (possible suspects).

 

[Pastilla]

The killer was not an intruder. Don't believe the spin. I have no idea who killed JonBenet but there was no intruder and Patsy wrote the note in my opinion.
This case is literally why I got into true crime. December 1996.
I have watched some of the documentary and it's so slanted with the intruder spin it makes me angry.
Please look through our JBR forum and see the evidence presented so well here.
If you have proof of an intruder please present it. Until then we need to clear the people in the house and that has yet to happen. Feel free to ask any questions on this thread.
What is truly sad is people like me can show you the spin and the lies yet mainstream media ignores it all.

John Ramsey is betting on trace amounts of touch DNA being on JB because she hadn't bathed in two days and had been in multiple locations where many different people had been. Even the Ramsey house carpets would have had DNA from dozens of strangers on them from the Ramsey's house being open for the Christmas house tour. So many forgotten details in the 2024 retelling of Jonbenet's murder. . .
The original old Boulder bulletin boards were rich with information, a lot of which has been lost to time. It's such a shame.

 

[docyabut]

John Andrew was in Georgia that night, confirmed by police. He has been ruled out.

Is it possible he hired some one to go get the money? but He didn't go ?

 

[docyabut]

“The last words PR said to me were, 'Lou, I don't have much time left. Please catch this guy before I die,

What happened to JonBenét Ramsey’s mom, Patsy Ramsey?

The director of a new documentary about JonBenét Ramsey tells TODAY.com it "defies logic" to think Patsy Ramsey murdered her daughter.

www.today.com

 

[docyabut]

She wasn’t killed by a pedophile or a kidnapper IMO
A Pedophile would have removed her from the house, as would a kidnapper

yep they wanted the money

 

[Linda7NJ]

yep they wanted the money

Nope

 

[australianwebsleuth]

I believe the fruit was eaten at the Whites. Either way I see nothing odd with a time of death at 12-12:30 am.

Why do you reduce it to this time frame. What evidence do you have?

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Why do you reduce it to this time frame. What evidence do you have?

I haven't reduced anything. You gave a time span and I said the far end of that works for my theory.

 

[docyabut]

Was the perp convincing JP to come down to the kitchen. and eat some pineapple before she was attacked ?
the ransom letter was on the steps

 

[Soulmagent]

The killer was not an intruder. Don't believe the spin. I have no idea who killed JonBenet but there was no intruder and Patsy wrote the note in my opinion.
This case is literally why I got into true crime. December 1996.
I have watched some of the documentary and it's so slanted with the intruder spin it makes me angry.
Please look through our JBR forum and see the evidence presented so well here.
If you have proof of an intruder please present it. Until then we need to clear the people in the house and that has yet to happen. Feel free to ask any questions on this thread.
What is truly sad is people like me can show you the spin and the lies yet mainstream media ignores it all.

The Brass Giraffe . IMO iS THE MURDER WEAPON.
They talk about them , how the kids would always play with them .
I just dont know how Patsy could donate them to the local goodwill. Unless they had to go. ?????

 

[CrimeTheorist]

The ransom note was either written by an intruder to make it seem like someone in the family did it or it was written by one of the parents after her death to make it seem like an intruder did it. If this was an intruder (which I personally don't believe) it would have to be someone really smart and calculating not just some crazy person off the street. IMO

 

[Soulmagent]

The ransom note was either written by an intruder to make it seem like someone in the family did it or it was written by one of the parents after her death to make it seem like an intruder did it. If this was an intruder (which I personally don't believe) it would have to be someone really smart and calculating not just some crazy person off the street. IMO

This case shifts like the sands ..I was pretty sure it was factually proven Patsy wrote that note. Am I wrong?

 

[wtiger]

if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck - it's probably a duck

in my humble opinion the answer is blindingly obvious here and it does not feature an intruder

 

[FergusMcDuck]

This case shifts like the sands ..I was pretty sure it was factually proven Patsy wrote that note. Am I wrong?

It has never been factually proven. Of the original, ABFDE- certified examiners, none of them could make a positive match, though some of them couldn't exclude her either. From the Carnes ruling:

During the investigation, the Boulder Police Department and Boulder County District Attorney's Office consulted at least six handwriting experts. (SMF ¶ 191; PSMF ¶ 191.) All of these experts consulted the original Ransom Note and original handwriting exemplars from Mrs. Ramsey. (SMF ¶ 205; PSMF ¶ 205.) Four of these experts were hired by the police and two were hired by defendants. (SMF ¶ 191; PSMF ¶ 191.) All six experts agreed that Mr. Ramsey could be eliminated as the author of the Ransom Note. (SMF ¶ 194; PSMF ¶ 194.) None of the six consulted experts identified Mrs. Ramsey as the author of the Ransom Note. (SMF ¶ 195; PSMF ¶ 195.) Rather, the experts' consensus was that she "probably did not" write the Ransom Note. (SMF ¶ 196; PSMF ¶196.)[14] On a scale of one to five, with five being elimination as the author of the Ransom Note, the experts placed Mrs. Ramsey at a 4.5 or a 4.0. (SMF ¶ 203; PSMF ¶ 203.) The experts *1335 described the chance of Mrs. Ramsey being the author of the Ransom Note as "very low." (SMF ¶ 204; PSMF ¶ 204.) The two experts hired by defendants both assert that this evidence strongly suggests that Mrs. Ramsey did not write the Note. (SMF ¶ 254.)

 

[CrimeTheorist]

This case shifts like the sands ..I was pretty sure it was factually proven Patsy wrote that note. Am I wrong?

Never proven but it looked so much like her writing that even she couldn't tell her writing and the ransom note apart.

 

[eishish]

appearances, social disgrace, other family secrets coming to light.

No one just becomes a killer willy nilly. Theres a lot that wld be uncovered

 

[penelopemcswain]

I’m sorry, but I find it absolutely ludicrous that some people are more willing to believe that a nine year old child perpetrated a violent sexual assault against his little sister, murdered her, left her body in that state, and was subsequently protected by his parents, who proceeded to cover up the crime and lie about it for decades, than even entertain the notion that an intruder could have possibly done it.

Seriously!!
I don't know if this is factual but I'd be very surprised if any nine yr old who committed a murder has ever actually successfully covered it up and managed to fool the authorities for any real length of time. I think that's probably impossible.

And why do so few people consider that if there was an intruder they were likely waiting in the house while the Ramseys were out for the evening which would make a lot of sense and also explain why the note is so dang long - they were restless and kind of spinning out from sitting around waiting.

 

[Slebby]

Seriously!!
I don't know if this is factual but I'd be very surprised if any nine yr old who committed a murder has ever actually successfully covered it up and managed to fool the authorities for any real length of time. I think that's probably impossible.

And why do so few people consider that if there was an intruder they were likely waiting in the house while the Ramseys were out for the evening which would make a lot of sense and also explain why the note is so dang long - they were restless and kind of spinning out from sitting around waiting.

Okay, can you unpack your intruder did it theory?
Was it an intruder known to the Rs or a random stranger?
How did they travel to and from the R home?
I will set aside how did they enter and exit for now.
Was the intruder there to kidnap JBR? Or to murder her? Or to SA her?
If there to SA, why bother with the RN, especially if leaving the body behind?
If there to murder her, why leave a RN?
If there to kidnap her, why not get the heck out of there once JBR was taken from her bedroom?
What did the intruder come prepared with? The RN was written on PR’s notepad with her pen. The SA was with PR’s art supplies.
I’ll set aside the “fed pineapple” for now.
I don’t buy the RN being dramatic and long due to spinning out. Who spins out into stealing lines from Dirty Harry movies? Or utter ridiculousness - “we are a foreign faction”. A true RN would be short and to the point - I have your daughter. Wait for my call. $118,000. No police or I kill her”
Why leave the body behind but also leave the RN behind?
IMO, an intruder would be there for one purpose - pick one.
Kidnap? Leave short note and take JBR with you when you leave. No need for SA, murder, garrotté etc.
SA? Commit the act then leave. No RN required.
Murder? Commit the act then leave. No SA or RN required.
All imo