Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Re BR dna - if his dna was on JBR, that to me is a big nothing burger - they were siblings, lived in the same house, played together. I’d be shocked if JBR wasn’t covered in dna from PR, JR, and BR, along with lots of folks interacted with over previous days (yes, including toilet seats)
IMO

That is correct and if a family member did commit the crime, DNA won't solve the case. So when people say why would JR push to have the DNA tested if a Ramsey is guilty, He's Got Nothing to lose. Explained away!
Pretty slick how that works!

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

I can’t believe there is still people that genuinely believe the family did it. Do you really think the mom or dad would choke out their kid with a rope and sexually assault her with a paintbrush?

There are far more theories as to why and how the family may have been involved than the scenerio you describe.
I'm going to pose a question to you.
If JB had been being SA, who would have been the first suspect? Would that person necessarily be the person who killed her?
Did the parents mercy kill her?
Did they stage a crime scene?
Are you sure only the parents were capable of a SA?
If you close your mind to any one person in the house, your bias will not allow you to look at all the scenerios.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

And what if this person has a solid alibi?

I seriously doubt if JR really wants this DNA to ever be matched to anyone. It's likely he would rather this case hang in limbo for eternity and he can continue on using this DNA to proclaim his innocence.

Why, then, is John the main party pushing for further DNA testing?

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Why, then, is John the main party pushing for further DNA testing?

Why not? No Ramsey could be held accountable if it came back being theirs. It could be explained away.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Why, then, is John the main party pushing for further DNA testing?

MOO because maybe he knows now who he thinks did it.

The R's suddenly distanced themselves from the S's out of nowhere back then... why all of a sudden when the S's were by their side from when the murder happened and after when the S's left job/house and moved where the R's were living?

I think the S's were invested for a reason and went through great lengths to be involved (even sending fake email pretending to be LE IIRC). Keep your friends close and enemies closer? Then the friendship suddenly ends? Did JR put two and two together?

Food for thought and all JMO to put ideas out there of course.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Why not? No Ramsey could be held accountable if it came back being theirs. It could be explained away.

But if they identify the mystery person and he has a solid alibi, like the person I quoted suggested? John, if he is guilty, would have to know that the DNA wasn't from anyone involved, meaning s very high risk of an alibi. Better then to leave the identity a mystery.

But John has been persistent in finding the identity of the mystery person, so obviously he doesn't have that fear. Also, if he's asking for more testing of the cord, that is running a risk since it was never sourced to the house.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

MOO because maybe he knows now who he thinks did it.

The R's suddenly distanced themselves from the S's out of nowhere back then... why all of a sudden when the S's were by their side from when the murder happened and after when the S's left job/house and moved where the R's were living?

I think the S's were invested for a reason and went through great lengths to be involved (even sending fake email pretending to be LE IIRC). Keep your friends close and enemies closer? Then the friendship suddenly ends? Did JR put two and two together?

Food for thought and all JMO to put ideas out there of course.

The S's have all been tested against the DNA and have been excluded.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

The S's have all been tested against the DNA and have been excluded.

Ok thanks for clarifying... I thought only the adults were only and not minors but I'm foggy!

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

But if they identify the mystery person and he has a solid alibi, like the person I quoted suggested? John, if he is guilty, would have to know that the DNA wasn't from anyone involved, meaning s very high risk of an alibi. Better then to leave the identity a mystery.

But John has been persistent in finding the identity of the mystery person, so obviously he doesn't have that fear. Also, if he's asking for more testing of the cord, that is running a risk since it was never sourced to the house.

Of course he doesn't. I don't see how any Ramsey could be convicted by the DNA belonging to them. As it stands, there is JRs sweater fibers on her. Explained away.
How could they be convicted if guilty on their DNA being on her? Even the blue fibers that could be BRs pj's doesn't prove anything.

 

[docyabut]

Forensic scientist Dr. Angela Williamson said a DNA sample had been taken from the crotch of JonBenét’s panties, where the girl’s blood was found.

The DNA of an unknown male was detected – but the DNA didn’t match anyone who had been near the scene or who had handled her body. The results excluded John, Patsy and Burke Ramsey

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/27/us/jonbenet-ramsey-killing-netflix-documentary/index.html#:~:text=Forensic%20scientist%20Dr.%20Angela%20Williamson,who%20had%20handled%20her%20body.

 

[docyabut]

Boulder police won't say if they have new leads in JonBenét Ramsey's case but say it's 'obvious' they want to solve it​

Police won’t say if they have leads in JonBenét case but say it’s ‘obvious’ they want to solve it

Interest in the 28-year-old cold case has been renewed thanks to a new Netflix docuseries.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[highfastflyer]

The killer was not an intruder. Don't believe the spin. I have no idea who killed JonBenet but there was no intruder and Patsy wrote the note in my opinion.
This case is literally why I got into true crime. December 1996.
I have watched some of the documentary and it's so slanted with the intruder spin it makes me angry.
Please look through our JBR forum and see the evidence presented so well here.
If you have proof of an intruder please present it. Until then we need to clear the people in the house and that has yet to happen. Feel free to ask any questions on this thread.
What is truly sad is people like me can show you the spin and the lies yet mainstream media ignores it all.

Hi Tricia! My wife and I lived near this event in Boulder, in 96, and it has always perplexed us. Although vaguely familiar with all the facts and spin, we did not revisit all this in detail until it’s been in the news this last week. We did just read, listen, and watch many of the various items you referenced here in the last few days. Of special interest was the consult series which you recommended.

The (very reputable) consult team is laser focused on this being a highly organized sexual crime that was well planned out. We were unaware of the excruciating level of sexual assault/activity in the JB case until listening to their documentary. Even their discussion on the “ransom note” is from a point that it was purposefully planned and crafted by the perp. In fact, they go to great length to discuss and dismiss any theories on a cover up, family involvement, etc…the intricate sexual nature of this event has the profilers settled on a non-family accomplished pedophile that every family would want caught and brought to justice.

The handwriting analysis link you posted, also an expert level, as well as the facts surrounding the scene at the home, the timeline of family actions, and the family’s actions in the aftermath do, however, absolutely point to some involvement and/or cover up. What was done to JB seems a uniquely entirely different subset to all the other data and evidence and actions of this case.

We personally don’t believe anyone in the family could or would do the horrific sexual things mentioned that were done to her. We also believe, along with you, that the note and the home and the post-murder actions appear staged.

So, how have you personally reconciled these two diametrically opposite beliefs? Genuinely interested. TIA. MOO.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

MOO because maybe he knows now who he thinks did it.

The R's suddenly distanced themselves from the S's out of nowhere back then... why all of a sudden when the S's were by their side from when the murder happened and after when the S's left job/house and moved where the R's were living?

I think the S's were invested for a reason and went through great lengths to be involved (even sending fake email pretending to be LE IIRC). Keep your friends close and enemies closer? Then the friendship suddenly ends? Did JR put two and two together?

Food for thought and all JMO to put ideas out there of course.

If DS was involved, I think it would be with BRs parti

Hi Tricia! My wife and I lived near this event in Boulder, in 96, and it has always perplexed us. Although vaguely familiar with all the facts and spin, we did not revisit all this in detail until it’s been in the news this last week. We did just read, listen, and watch many of the various items you referenced here in the last few days. Of special interest was the consult series which you recommended.

The (very reputable) consult team is laser focused on this being a highly organized sexual crime that was well planned out. We were unaware of the excruciating level of sexual assault/activity in the JB case until listening to their documentary. Even their discussion on the “ransom note” is from a point that it was purposefully planned and crafted by the perp. In fact, they go to great length to discuss and dismiss any theories on a cover up, family involvement, etc…the intricate sexual nature of this event has the profilers settled on a non-family accomplished pedophile that every family would want caught and brought to justice.

The handwriting analysis link you posted, also an expert level, as well as the facts surrounding the scene at the home, the timeline of family actions, and the family’s actions in the aftermath do, however, absolutely point to some involvement and/or cover up. What was done to JB seems a uniquely entirely different subset to all the other data and evidence and actions of this case.

We personally don’t believe anyone in the family could or would do the horrific sexual things mentioned that were done to her. We also believe, along with you, that the note and the home and the post-murder actions appear staged.

So, how have you personally reconciled these two diametrically opposite beliefs? Genuinely interested. TIA. MOO.

I think if you have faith in the Grand Jury outcome, the answer lies there.

 

[scapa]

When it’s said that the Ramsey’s simply can’t be guilty - just impossible! - because of the horrific nature of the crime, and the idea of doing such evil upon one’s own child, I can’t help but wonder if they’ve perused the forum very much…we have cases here where Mom sold their kindergartener into sexual slavery for a few bucks. Cases where a Mom forces a baby into a trash can causing unspeakable injuries to the still-live child. I won’t go on, but I could - and that alone negates any “no parent could do that.” It’s a fallacy.


Imo

Agree.

I often think there's a subtext here with such claims -- not that "no parent" could ever do such things to their child, but that "no parent like this" -- wealthy, educated, politically connected, etc. -- could.

They can and do and have done and will do, of course. Perhaps this ongoing investigative relaunch will finally shed some light, though this case seems to engender such polarized camps that finality may never be possible.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

The (very reputable) consult team is laser focused on this being a highly organized sexual crime that was well planned out. We were unaware of the excruciating level of sexual assault/activity in the JB case until listening to their documentary. Even their discussion on the “ransom note” is from a point that it was purposefully planned and crafted by the perp. In fact, they go to great length to discuss and dismiss any theories on a cover up, family involvement, etc…the intricate sexual nature of this event has the profilers settled on a non-family accomplished pedophile that every family would want caught and brought to justice.

RSBM: This is where I veer on theories about a career type pedo and crime was ONLY for SA. *Sorry kind of graphic*

If a pedo - the "act" would have been "followed through". With all these things done to poor JBR, they wouldn't stop mid-way and stage the rest. The only reason would be if interrupted or they knew her and remorse suddenly came over them and they couldn't go through a full sexual act - but were in too far and still had to silence her because she'd recognize them.

I would bet there are stats (no time to look!) that a majority of SAs committed by sex offenders/pedophiles entail more personal contact/invasiveness, not done with a kink (so to speak) in mind or random object (sorry I don't know how else to word this). If that were the case, a skilled pedo would bring their own kit. MOO

That's why I feel possibly a woman, a young person or someone who knew her/her dad or family (remorse may have stopped a full act from happening). MOO, JMO

 

[Lalalacasbah]

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I wonder if LE looked at JR's old Navy buddies or Atlanta Reserve buddies?

Was there someone JR was still close to from these years, even socialized with or was friends with up to the murder?

Did someone from back then have a grudge with JR? Did JR run into said old buddy somewhere, friendliness e-kindled and this person somehow started maybe watching JR if he ran into JR with JBR somewhere random?

Your points are very interesting coincidences, almost a clue to JR like he'd know who this was! And was the rope tie a Navy thing?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

If DS was involved, I think it would be with BRs parti

RSBM: Maybe, maybe not. That's hard to to say. I think very possible or DS could've snuck in or not. Things might escalate if done in a twosome, or if alone - might still escalate knowing he had privacy (without BR around) and had some amount of trust from JBR.

 

[highfastflyer]

If DS was involved, I think it would be with BRs parti

I think if you have faith in the Grand Jury outcome, the answer lies there.

Who Killed JonBenet (Part 3): The Grand Jury

What did the grand jury know about the JonBenet Ramsey case that we don't?

www.psychologytoday.com

You may be on to something….

(Article is a professional opinion and conjecture only)

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Who Killed JonBenet (Part 3): The Grand Jury

What did the grand jury know about the JonBenet Ramsey case that we don't?

www.psychologytoday.com

You may be on to something….

(Article is a professional opinion and conjecture only)

Thanks! That is an interesting theory as well which cannot be dismissed. I recall hearing about this way back too (I remember the Santa reference) back in the day maybe on Nancy Grace? I can't remember.

I imagine there are some deep dives on this theory on WS or on the web, I'll have to check it out.

I wish little JonBenet would get justice and peace. With Christmas coming up... It's still so haunting what a nightmare this story was and is

EDIT: I did some digging, it seems a hard theory to swallow by some as the person was recovering from heart surgery and unlikely physically incapable to what killer did in the house.

 

[australianwebsleuth]

The UM1 profile in her underwear wasn't touch DNA. It was a bodily fluid, the presence of amylase pointing to saliva.

Just a note on this. JBR had chronic vaginitis also identified on autopsy. It's been shown that vaginal flora commonly produces amylase. Its also been shown that in vaginal secretions (adult), amylase is often found.

Where its possible that saliva was the cause of the amylase, the fact that it was not found outside the blood spot as you have described suggests this was of bacterial rather than human origin.

The idea that saliva made it inside the vagina and nowhere else is a bit 'far fetched'. Where is the hard evidence she was wiped down? Do we have a rag? Is it evidence based or an inference?

Bacterial amylases enable glycogen degradation by the vaginal microbiome - Nature Microbiology