Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey

[Linda7NJ]

I agree. I think the Ramsey's are innocent.
Why would John participate in all the investigations all these years if he was guilty or knew who was? That alone makes no sense to me.

In the beginning they didn’t participate. They lawyered up & shut up. They did however go on CNN.

He’s a smart man. He knows what’s up. No one will ever be charged in this case.

 

[Linda7NJ]

This could easily be explained away. If there were some sicko stalking her, he could have planned to kidnap her but unintentionally killed her before being able to get her out. For example, he could have been scared when she screamed and suffocated her or anything like that. In that case, he might have brought the note because the original plan was to kidnap her for ransom but something went wrong with the plan.
I don’t think a grown man would need a stun gun to subdue a child. I don’t know if that’s what you mean by stun gun?

MOO but it’s very telling that there is unknown male DNA in her panties. That couldn’t have gotten there by any of the first responders traipsing through the crime scene. So the DNA should tell the story. Why hasn’t it been compared to genealogies?? I would think that this case would’ve been one of the first ones! MOO I don’t think John had anything to do with it unless he was somehow made an unwitting target.

“Unintentionally killed her by suffocation”

So …the intruder takes her to the basement, bashes her head, fashions a garrote using Patsy’s paintbrush handle, strangles her,
Then wipes her down, re-dresses her, gets a blanket from the clothes dryer and covers her body after hiding it in that little room?

That makes zero sense.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I have lot of proof. But it's not my proof. It's proof from the professionals who have looked at this case. Yes it is my opinion but my opinion is based on proof. There are mountains of proof. I have to head out but over the weekend I will present some of the proof that points to no intruder. Until then feel free to ask questions and I will do my best to answer them.

I’m so sick of Lou’s ridiculous basement window long debunked window theory & stun gun nonsense - I could SCREAM!!

 

[Linda7NJ]

I don’t understand why the cord used to fashion the garrote wasn’t swabbed for DNA.
I’m pretty sure no gloves were worn when it was made.
The Ramseys claim the cord wasn’t theirs. John said he never saw the cord on her neck - so that handle & cord should contain the makers skin cells

 

[Tower]

I guess I am really more comfortable not making assumptions. I admire police forces that admit the evidence is not strong enough to convict anyone yet, and so they don't go after anyone in public.

I think not only did the Boulder PD mess up the crime scene, but they messed up any possibilty for a future fair trail by leaking and encouraging so much suspicion and speculation targetted at the Ramseys, without any hard evidence that would stand.up in court.

It seems to me very unprofessional for police to do that, instead it's almost passive-aggressive. Poor little police officers, how can we be expected to solve a crime with these forces of evil arrayed against us! I'll get back at them by telling all, after I retire!

JMO

Forensic experts, which you requested and I provided a link for, made train track assumptions for money. All anyone can do at this point is rehash inconclusive evidence for money. It would be nice to have new, conclusive DNA evidence.

 

[Cedars]

I believe the point of the OP was that if it was Burke's dna, that it will never be revealed, due to his age ?
Ergo, it's not impossible that it wasn't Burke's dna.

I'm sure the DNA was tested back in 2006/7 against Burke, or anyone else close to JonBenet.

If it matched as Burke's DNA back then, I agree the prosecutors would be in a difficult situation. I think it would take a long and careful process of negotiation and inter-agency consultation to decide how to proceed. But I don't believe they would lie and say it was not tied to anyone known to the case.

I don't believe they can possibly have been just pretending they don't know who's DNA, and carrying on as though the crime hasn't been solved. The interagency Cold Case Task Force would not have spent a year digitizing and reviewing all the documents, if they already know who did it.

JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

I guess I am really more comfortable not making assumptions. I admire police forces that admit the evidence is not strong enough to convict anyone yet, and so they don't go after anyone in public.

I think not only did the Boulder PD mess up the crime scene, but they messed up any possibilty for a future fair trail by leaking and encouraging so much suspicion and speculation targetted at the Ramseys, without any hard evidence that would stand.up in court.

It seems to me very unprofessional for police to do that, instead it's almost passive-aggressive. Poor little police officers, how can we be expected to solve a crime with these forces of evil arrayed against us! I'll get back at them by telling all, after I retire!

JMO

The Ramsey’s own behavior drew suspicions.

Ramsey family FIRST sat down for a formal police interview regarding the death of their daughter JonBenét Ramsey in April 1997. Specifically, the interviews took place on April 23 and April 24,

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Ha! You're right, I haven't spent decades following this case. I don't consider that a problem. I certainly don't intend to spend decades embroiled in it now, either.

The Ramsey's are private individuals and like all citizens are entitled to use their wealth as they choose.

Everyone is entitled to be biased towards their own self-interest, except for the police. Police are funded by taxpayers and are subject to the legal system and well as public expectations about proper policing. Police seriously undermine their own credibility when they display tunnel vision in pursuing a case.

JMO

My comment " stick to what you know" wasn't directed at you. It was directed at the Ramsey pulling a suspect out of their hat and publicly accusing innocent person after person.
Biased due to their own self interest is a very interesting way to say you approve of them destroying people's lives and lively hood because they had the money to do it.
You either have a moral code or you don't. They never apologized to anyone. By the time they threw the 10th person under the bus, maybe they should have circled back to the first 1,2,3,4 person they falsely accused. But anyone who put them under the microscope were evil bad people. They definitely had double standards.

 

[Cedars]

The Ramsey’s own behavior drew suspicions.

Ramsey family FIRST sat down for a formal police interview regarding the death of their daughter JonBenét Ramsey in April 1997. Specifically, the interviews took place on April 23 and April 24,

Yes, that would be very irritating for the police department and was probably unwise.

I recall there was a similar attitude of deep suspicion against police by the family of the Sherman's, murdered in Toronto. The children (who were obvious suspects because they inherited) immediately lawyered up and accused the police of incompetence, hired their own pathologist because they didn't trust the police one, tried to take over the investigation with their own set of PI's, demanded the involvement of the FBI, set up their own tip line with a massive reward.

However, police never said or leaked anything publicly to criticize them, or cast suspicion on them. Eventually their outrage apparently subsided and they seem to have given up trying to run the investigation. I don't think most people hold it against them, I don't regard it as proving their guilt.

I don't know what I would do if my child were murdered in my home, I expect I would behave extremely irrationally. The fact that people won't even consider the possibility they were acting out in grief and rage at their loss, is very interesting to me.

JMO

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Is this the only way you can fathom the transfer of touch DNA?

The UM1 profile in her underwear wasn't touch DNA. It was a bodily fluid, the presence of amylase pointing to saliva.

I gave you 2 logical scenerios but you only think DNA could get on her if someone slobbered on her?

Since the UM1 profile only was present in her blood, and not the adjacent, blood-free cloth? I'd say the blood and saliva mixed before the drop hit the underwear.

Heck, if I went in my kids room that hasn't been vacuumed in weeks, God only knows where my hands might transfer his DNA to, not to mention there would be alot. If sat on his rug, then used the bathroom and wiped my bum, I could have his DNA on my bum. DNA on a person does not prove a case. It can help if it can't be explained away. JB picking up DNA after spending the day in someone's house is not proof that they murdered her. It is proof that they were in each other's presence and that is expected as we know they were at a party. What if the host had a separate party the night before? What if they had dry skin? Dermatitis? Do you not think DNA is picked up and left behind where ever we go?

Having a profile like UM1 exist on two separate garments in two different sources and then no other additional profile discerned? No, I don't think that is something that is "picked up and left behind" where ever we go.

The people at the party were tested and excluded. DNA from an earlier party transferring from multiple sources to multiple garments of a murder victim (one of which was never at the Whites) is beyond unlikely.

But your intruder left so little, you cant even difinitely point to an intruder. No santa DNA, No Mark Karr DNA, No Gary Olibas DNA and it goes on and on.

Because it wasn't one of them. That's why it's still unsolved.

One speck proves Jane Doe killed her. Zero speck proves Jane Doe killed her. Where do we anticipate someone would leave DNA behind in the house writing novels,

He likely had his gloves back on. Though to be fair I don't know if it was tested for touch DNA.

fixing a snack,

No reason to think the killer did that.

wiping down, redressing, molesting,

And likely this is when UM1 deposited DNA on JonBenet.

opening drawers, getting new panties ,

No reason to believe JonBenet wasn't already wearing the underwear she was found in.

grabbing her favorite blanket from the dryer,

The blanket could just as easily have been on her bed, swept up when the killer carried her downstairs.

crawling through a Window without touching or losing a scalp hair or 2 or 3?

Was the window tested for DNA? Considering the year, I doubt it.

Our opinions differ greatly on DNA. In the lab, I know how easy it is to contaminate results therefore I understand how easy it is to transfer DNA. IMHO,

Yet the testing that found UM1 and the testing that discovered the matching touch DNA were done years apart in different laboratories.

DNA will not solve this case no matter who is responsible.

If UM1 is found, the killer is found.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

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Bbm.

I believe the point of the OP was that if it was Burke's dna, that it will never be revealed, due to his age ?

Yes, and that doesn't make sense since we know it wasn't Burke's DNA.

Ergo, it's not impossible that it wasn't Burke's dna.

It's certain that it wasn't Burke's DNA.

Mr. Ramsey doth protest too much ... and has been for years.
Imo.
Omo.

Protesting what?

 

[Chimera]

Yes, and that doesn't make sense since we know it wasn't Burke's DNA.



It's certain that it wasn't Burke's DNA.



Protesting what?

Sadly, we do not know for a certainty that it wasn't ; but again circling back to my previous post they are never going to let the public know if it was Burke's dna, as the age factor will prevent that.
I'm doubtful this will ever be solved as some people may not be telling all that they know.
John Ramsey is protests are the whole point of this specific sub-thread ... and it's likely he won't crack even if he does know more.
Imo.

 

[Chimera]

The Ramsey’s own behavior drew suspicions.

Ramsey family FIRST sat down for a formal police interview regarding the death of their daughter JonBenét Ramsey in April 1997. Specifically, the interviews took place on April 23 and April 24,

Rbm.
Agreed.
It kind of did, imo.

I'm not certain the Boulder PD is totally to blame !

The Ramsey's let other people -- including friends-- into the house that night/morning and the crime scene was massively contaminated :

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/27/us/jonbenet-ramsey-killing-netflix-documentary/index.html

"..... family friends came and went freely."

This was fairly soon after she was missing/murdered and those family friends didn't just happen to stop by, they were invited over and allowed to wander around the house.

Omo.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yes, that would be very irritating for the police department and was probably unwise.

I recall there was a similar attitude of deep suspicion against police by the family of the Sherman's, murdered in Toronto. The children (who were obvious suspects because they inherited) immediately lawyered up and accused the police of incompetence, hired their own pathologist because they didn't trust the police one, tried to take over the investigation with their own set of PI's, demanded the involvement of the FBI, set up their own tip line with a massive reward.

However, police never said or leaked anything publicly to criticize them, or cast suspicion on them. Eventually their outrage apparently subsided and they seem to have given up trying to run the investigation. I don't think most people hold it against them, I don't regard it as proving their guilt.

I don't know what I would do if my child were murdered in my home, I expect I would behave extremely irrationally. The fact that people won't even consider the possibility they were acting out in grief and rage at their loss, is very interesting to me.

JMO

The one thing I would NOT do is lie.
The Ramsey’s did plenty of lying

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Sadly, we do not know for a certainty that it wasn't ;

We literally do know that for a certainty.

but again circling back to my previous post they are never going to let the public know if it was Burke's dna, as the age factor will prevent that.

They have publicly stated the DNA doesn't belong to Burke. There are reports stating as much. And they had no problem releasing Burke's touch DNA on JonBenet's nightgown.

I'm doubtful this will lever be solved as some people may not be telling all that they know.

Yes, UM1.

John Ramsey is protests are the whole point of this specific sub-thread ... and it's likely he won't crack even if he does know more.
Imo.

Crack? John Ramsey pushing for more testing is the reason this case is still alive. He is not the one under pressure, he is the one pressuring.

 

[Linda7NJ]

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A stun gun would make her scream
A stun gun doesn’t render a person unconscious.
Don’t forget the pineapple snack - make that work with the stun gun.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

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A stun gun would make her scream

Since melted adhesive was found in one of the marks on her cheek, her mouth would have been taped when the stun gun was applied.

A stun gun doesn’t render a person unconscious.

It is used to subdue. As in the Jaycee Dugard case.

Don’t forget the pineapple snack - make that work with the stun gun.

What pineapple snack? Her duodenum contained pineapple, cherries and grapes. She ate that at some point on Christmas day, but since the bowl left out on the breakfast table only had pineapple, it can't be the source of her last meal.

 

[docyabut]

JonBenét Ramsey cop makes bombshell admission as chief investigator reveals why solving six-year-old beauty queen's murder is now finally 'within reach'​

JonBenét Ramsey cop makes bombshell admission in beauty queen's murder

Police in Boulder, Colorado, believe they may solve the infamous murder of six-year-old beauty queen JonBenét Ramsey, who was found dead in her home in December 1996.

www.dailymail.co.uk

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/jonbent-ramsey-cops-make-bombshell

 

[docyabut]

jonbenet ramsey news - Google Search

 

[Mama-dukes]

Progress being made in JonBenet Ramsey's 1996 murder

Progress is being made in the investigation into the unsolved 1996 murder of 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenét Ramsey, those briefed on the investigation told ABC News.

6abc.com