Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey

[Chypre]

The evidence of sexual assault is confirmed. Jon Benet Ramsey was the victim of sexual abuse. Abuse that occurred before her murder. Regardless of what that DNA in her underwear is, JonBenet was being assaulted prior to the night of her murder. Most likely by a family member (s). The identity of that DNA does not exclude family members because of the extent of her injuries,

I'm not familiar that the sexual abuse was prior to the night of murder.

 

[lonetraveler]

Yes @AddieBoo …. and it is IMO so, so, so unfortunate that for whatever reason those GJ charges were not allowed to proceed. And that action could have resulted in depositions, evidence, testimony, and other learnings. That might have helped clarify exactly what happened in that residence. And led to other essential evidence and charges. As a means to ‘justice’ for the deceased child JBR.

And equally sad and unfortunate, IIUC there might now be at least six or seven different JBR / Ramsey WS threads here. They should be combined. To aid in sleuthing and to reduce possible confusion. It is unnecessary and seems a deliberate attempt at further obfuscation. Just as with the actual case all these years IMO.

Someone last night said it perfectly on one of these threads……. (that I won’t be able to readily find)….. along the lines of this - if there was not the ‘ransom’ note, the obvious suspicion as to likely involvement and what likely happened would have been visible from space as a bright beacon shining on the source. Following from that, IMO that is exactly why that ransom note was created. MOO

JMO but I think that you are right that a bright beacon would be shining on the source. I think the ransom note made the bright beacon even brighter.

 

[AddieBoo]

I'm not familiar that the sexual abuse was prior to the night of murder.

“Cynic” has an excellent podcast “A Rebuttal to Ramsey Misinformation”on Bitchute. Highly recommend.

 

[Chypre]

“Cynic” has an excellent podcast “A Rebuttal to Ramsey Misinformation”on Bitchute. Highly recommend. A rebuttal to Ramsey misinformation regarding the JonBenet investigation

Thank you. I will check this out.

 

[oceanverde]

I'm not familiar that the sexual abuse was prior to the night of murder.

That's because it wasn't.

 

[AddieBoo]

That's because it wasn't.

That statement defies the facts and findings of this case. Jon Benet Ramsey was the victim of SA.

If you have facts that disagree please share.

 

[oceanverde]

That statement defies the facts and findings of this case. Jon Benet Ramsey was the victim of SA.

If you have facts that disagree please share.

Yes, she was a victim of SA but it wasn't prior to the night of murder.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Yes, she was a victim of SA but it wasn't prior to the night of murder.

Have to agree @oceanverde …. and further on that point, IMO if the R family is interested in spending effort and resources, e.g. the ‘DNA’ matter….. perhaps they would want to also spend money and examine the supposed SA of the child. And when it occurred, if it occurred prior to that evening, if it occurred after JBR was deceased, and the nature of it. To obtain that further clarification. In the interest of justice for the dear poor child.

And IMO unless and until that occurs, it is fortunate that I have a mute button when certain information is being shared publicly in this case. Anything that is, unless it is presented in a court of law or on the record. MOO

 

[AddieBoo]

Yes, she was a victim of SA but it wasn't prior to the night of murder.

Disagree.
Jon Benet Ramsey was the victim of SA prior to her murder.

If you have facts otherwise I would be interested in knowing what you have.

 

[SerialGal]

I think of this case often and wonder what happened. The back and forth of intruder or not was one I engaged in myself, prior to Lou Smit. Watching that tiny old guy shimmy down into the window terrified me beyond belief and has caused me to second guess every home we’ve lived in on the basis of whether someone can get in. I cannot recall the day I heard about JBR being murdered; it’s just been there as long as I can remember back. I can say that I 100% remember the day and circumstances of watching the show showing Smit slide down and into the window. Hubby remembers it too - solely for the reaction I had to it. It threw me for a loop for sure.

 

[AddieBoo]

Have to agree @oceanverde …. and further on that point, IMO if the R family is interested in spending effort and resources, e.g. the ‘DNA’ matter….. perhaps they would want to also spend money and examine the supposed SA of the child. And when it occurred, if it occurred prior to that evening, if it occurred after JBR was deceased, and the nature of it. To obtain that further clarification. In the interest of justice for the dear poor child.

And IMO unless and until that occurs, it is fortunate that I have a mute button when certain information is being shared publicly in this case. Anything that is, unless it is presented in a court of law or on the record. MOO

Have to agree @oceanverde …. and further on that point, IMO if the R family is interested in spending effort and resources, e.g. the ‘DNA’ matter….. perhaps they would want to also spend money and examine the supposed SA of the child. And when it occurred, if it occurred prior to that evening, if it occurred after JBR was deceased, and the nature of it. To obtain that further clarification. In the interest of justice for the dear poor child.

And IMO unless and until that occurs, it is fortunate that I have a mute button when certain information is being shared publicly in this case. Anything that is, unless it is presented in a court of law or on the record. MOO

This information pertaining to this subject is widely published through autopsy reports, numerous professional opinions from leaders in the field of pediatric SA, as well as being confirmed by MSM (ABC) during its Linda Arndt interview. Incidentally, Linda Arndt area of expertise in LE was sexual assult. She was in attendance at the initial autopsy performed by Meyer in Bolder. That interview is available on You Tube. The reports and opinions are published on line as well as books on the subject of this murder.

This is a very sensitive, harrowing topic, an ugly topic. But please review the facts that are independent of the Ramsey team.

 

[CloudedTruth]

This information pertaining to this subject is widely published through autopsy reports, numerous professional opinions from leaders in the field of pediatric SA, as well as being confirmed by MSM (ABC) during its Linda Arndt interview. Incidentally, Linda Arndt area of expertise in LE was sexual assult. She was in attendance at the initial autopsy performed by Meyer in Bolder. That interview is available on You Tube. The reports and opinions are published on line as well as books on the subject of this murder.

This is a very sensitive, harrowing topic, an ugly topic. But please review the facts that are independent of the Ramsey team.

Yes. The prior SA has been documented and agreed upon by a panel of experts.

 

[Chypre]

This information pertaining to this subject is widely published through autopsy reports, numerous professional opinions from leaders in the field of pediatric SA, as well as being confirmed by MSM (ABC) during its Linda Arndt interview. Incidentally, Linda Arndt area of expertise in LE was sexual assult. She was in attendance at the initial autopsy performed by Meyer in Bolder. That interview is available on You Tube. The reports and opinions are published on line as well as books on the subject of this murder.

This is a very sensitive, harrowing topic, an ugly topic. But please review the facts that are independent of the Ramsey team.

Respectfully, I'm not trying to be a PITA and thank you for the links. I'm just wanting to cut to the chase-- are the reports stating:

* Specific evidence that differentiates between sexual abuse prior to that night?
or
* jargon communicating that the specific evidence was not or could not be differentiated?

 

[CooperDyl]

This information pertaining to this subject is widely published through autopsy reports, numerous professional opinions from leaders in the field of pediatric SA, as well as being confirmed by MSM (ABC) during its Linda Arndt interview. Incidentally, Linda Arndt area of expertise in LE was sexual assult. She was in attendance at the initial autopsy performed by Meyer in Bolder. That interview is available on You Tube. The reports and opinions are published on line as well as books on the subject of this murder.

This is a very sensitive, harrowing topic, an ugly topic. But please review the facts that are independent of the Ramsey team.

If there was legitimate evidence of SA occurring prior to the night of the murder, why weren’t the Ramsey’s ever charged with it? It wouldn’t interfere with a later murder charge, if there was evidence uncovered for that later on. There doesn’t seem to be a reason why not to charge them if there was real evidence. I understand there’s conjecture as to if she was abused and plenty of discussion on it, but I haven’t been made aware thus far of any proper evidence, not that I’m saying there might not be any.
Just imo.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

If there was legitimate evidence of SA occurring prior to the night of the murder, why weren’t the Ramsey’s ever charged with it? It wouldn’t interfere with a later murder charge, if there was evidence uncovered for that later on. There doesn’t seem to be a reason why not to charge them if there was real evidence. I understand there’s conjecture as to if she was abused and plenty of discussion on it, but I haven’t been made aware thus far of any proper evidence, not that I’m saying there might not be any.
Just imo.

I'll begin by saying I haven't read anything much on WS about this case, but it has intrigued me since it happened.

Why would the parents be charged with the prior SA? Are you saying they were the perpetrators, or were aware it was happening, perhaps even facilitating it? Parents can do everything right, yet still have no knowledge of anything like that happening to their child.

 

[CloudedTruth]

If there was legitimate evidence of SA occurring prior to the night of the murder, why weren’t the Ramsey’s ever charged with it? It wouldn’t interfere with a later murder charge, if there was evidence uncovered for that later on. There doesn’t seem to be a reason why not to charge them if there was real evidence. I understand there’s conjecture as to if she was abused and plenty of discussion on it, but I haven’t been made aware thus far of any proper evidence, not that I’m saying there might not be any.
Just imo.

There was evidence of prior sexual abuse, but not evidence of who the abuser was. The pediatrician said he did not see signs of SA. They had no way of proving after the fact who the abuser was.

Do a search on Dr. John McCann and link with Ramsey case. He has explained in detail the evidence he found, and he is well respected in the field of child SA, a pioneer. 5 other experts from all over the examined the same evidence an agreed with his conclusions.

 

[snarast]

I have a problem with this suggestion that his daughter's killer was motivated by money. Is this suggesting that the killer could assume that JonBenet Ramsey's body would not be found prior to him receiving the ransom money? With her body right there in the house? I just can't see the killer being that stupid. And, also taking the time to take her from her room, sexually assault her, fashion a garrot and using it and then leaving the house and of course forgetting the kidnapped victim. Doesn't make any sense to me at all, thus the reason I don't believe that a killer entered the house, I think there was a coverup of the murder of JonBenet. JMO

I think it was an intruder who was a stalker. It was never a kidnapping. I’m guessing this was not his first time hanging out in their house. Think BTK-style.

 

[AddieBoo]

I think of this case often and wonder what happened. The back and forth of intruder or not was one I engaged in myself, prior to Lou Smit. Watching that tiny old guy shimmy down into the window terrified me beyond belief and has caused me to second guess every home we’ve lived in on the basis of whether someone can get in. I cannot recall the day I heard about JBR being murdered; it’s just been there as long as I can remember back. I can say that I 100% remember the day and circumstances of watching the show showing Smit slide down and into the window. Hubby remembers it too - solely for the reaction I had to it. It threw me for a loop for sure.

It’s amazing how this murder and its investigation have affected so many lives.
Look how far home security has come. From more advanced technology to gun ownership,
We also have neighborhood watch.

I dunno what happened to that detective. Why he became so biased…

Respectfully, I'm not trying to be a PITA and thank you for the links. I'm just wanting to cut to the chase-- are the reports stating:

* Specific evidence that differentiates between sexual abuse prior to that night?
or
* jargon communicating that the specific evidence was not or could not be differentiated?

Recommend “A Rebuttal of Ramsey Misinformation “ on Bitchute.
It is authored by “Cynic” and is all facts. “Cynic” is well established as an authority on this case from this community. It’s baseline definitive factual non-biased information.

A rebuttal to Ramsey misinformation regarding the JonBenet investigation

This is a rebuttal to the misinformation commonly disseminated by John Ramsey and his supporters. Suggested reading: JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation by Steve Thomas Foreign Faction: Who Really Kidnapped JonBenet? by A. James Kolar Listen Carefully: Truth and Evidence in the...

www.bitchute.com

 

[AddieBoo]

If there was legitimate evidence of SA occurring prior to the night of the murder, why weren’t the Ramsey’s ever charged with it? It wouldn’t interfere with a later murder charge, if there was evidence uncovered for that later on. There doesn’t seem to be a reason why not to charge them if there was real evidence. I understand there’s conjecture as to if she was abused and plenty of discussion on it, but I haven’t been made aware thus far of any proper evidence, not that I’m saying there might not be any.
Just imo.

Good question.
The SA was not medically determined/discovered by authorities until the autopsy. Jon Benet had no medical history of SA. Or no medical history that was made available regarding SA.
The Grand Jury handed down 4 indictments. Two indictments to each parent.
…Knowingly putting their daughter in a dangerous environment that lead to her death in the first degree. And coverup.

The DA Alex Hunter didn’t proceed with the indictments because he did not think the charges could be successfully prosecuted.

There is documented evidence and testimony from a dozen specialists, forensic pathologists, pediatric SA specialists… regarding the prior SA of Jon Ramsey. She suffered a significant genital injury at least 10 days prior to her murder.

Maybe the Grand Jury attributed the SA to BR who could not be prosecuted due to his age under Colorado Law. Dunno.

Check out “”A Rebuttal to Ramsey Misinformation” on Bitchute. A rebuttal to Ramsey misinformation regarding the JonBenet investigation

Also the ABC interview with Linda Arndt on you tube is informative. She attended the initial autopsy with Dr Mayer and her area of expertise was sexual assaults while working in law enforcement.

I am newbie sleuth and by no means an expert. However there are the facts of the case. They are available for the most part. And one of the biggest tragedies, besides the murder of this child, is all the misinformation that has been publicized about this case by John Ramsey for 28 years,

Truth be told.

 

[AddieBoo]

Good question.
The SA was not medically determined/discovered by authorities until the autopsy. Jon Benet had no medical history of SA. Or no medical history that was made available regarding SA.
The Grand Jury handed down 4 indictments. Two indictments to each parent.
…Knowingly putting their daughter in a dangerous environment that lead to her death in the first degree. And coverup.

The DA Alex Hunter didn’t proceed with the indictments because he did not think the charges could be successfully prosecuted.

There is documented evidence and testimony from a dozen specialists, forensic pathologists, pediatric SA specialists… regarding the prior SA of Jon Ramsey. She suffered a significant genital injury at least 10 days prior to her murder.

Maybe the Grand Jury attributed the SA to BR who could not be prosecuted due to his age under Colorado Law. Dunno.

Check out “”A Rebuttal to Ramsey Misinformation” on Bitchute. A rebuttal to Ramsey misinformation regarding the JonBenet investigation

Also the ABC interview with Linda Arndt on you tube is informative. She attended the initial autopsy with Dr Mayer and her area of expertise was sexual assaults while working in law enforcement.

I am newbie sleuth and by no means an expert. However there are the facts of the case. They are available for the most part. And one of the biggest tragedies, besides the murder of this child, is all the misinformation that has been publicized about this case by John Ramsey for 28 years,

Truth be told.

Additionally; please know that there were 14 pages of indictments from the Grand Jury. The public has been informed on charges 4-7 There are at least 3 more charges and entirely possible there are many more.
These pages not made available to the public have been sealed.
Fleet White sued to make these pages known. He was not successful.
If you really want to get riled up read Fleet Whites second letter published Denver Post Aug 1998.
It perfectly lays out the manipulation of the legal system in Colorado that lead to the delay of the deliberation of the Grand Jury until a statue had been amended and passed that would control the flow of public information.
It’s long and a study but so very worth a glimpse of the manipulation of Justice.