Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey

[Angeline]

A new JonBenét doc posits the Ramseys didn’t do it. But what about the ransom note?

What to understand about the infamous ransom note, from Patsy Ramsey to the intruder theory.

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Thanks for the link to the note. The spelling mistakes and the awkward grammar could indicate it was written by someone foreign.

They said they would behead her. The said they would not release her remains, so what changed?

Did something cause them to change their plans at the last minute? And if the note was written by someone in the family, what changed? What led the perp to contradict the information in the ransom note?

 

[knla]

Thanks for the link to the note. The spelling mistakes and the awkward grammar could indicate it was written by someone foreign.

They said they would behead her. The said they would not release her remains, so what changed?

Did something cause them to change their plans at the last minute? And if the note was written by someone in the family, what changed? What led the perp to contradict the information in the ransom note?

They may have never intended to kidnap Jon Benet. They may have just wanted to sexual molest her in a twisted way and murder her. But wanted money also. The amount of his bonus check would have been sitting in the bank available to access right away. He may have wanted to hurt the family, making the ransom note look like Patsy's writing to implicate her. He may have been resented their lifestyle and wanted to bring them down. I'm just speculating. I don't know who did it.

 

[Cedars]

Traintracks was thrpwn put there

Unless you can cite a definitive forensic expert who asserts that, it is just speculation.

Just repeating someone else's speculation doesn't make it true.

JMO

 

[UncoolNegated]

Whoever duct-taped JonBenét Ramsey’s mouth shut,? I am guessing jonbene was screaming to much and they shut her up and killed her ?

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/27/us/jonbenet-ramsey-killing-netflix-documentary/index.html

No, when the tape was removed. It left a perfect lipstick imprint. That meant that she was probably silent when the duct tape was applied either because she was already dead or unconscious when it was put there. Screenshot is from Roderick Bates course "Introduction to Forensic Science" at Coursera.

 

[Tower]

Unless you can cite a definitive forensic expert who asserts that, it is just speculation.

Just repeating someone else's speculation doesn't make it true.

JMO

To be clear, I do not have any opinion at all on the train track theory. But “a panel of law enforcement specialists (including former FBI profiler Jim Clemente and former Scotland Yard criminal behavior expert Laura Richards) brought it up in the TV special linked below.

'The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey' Concludes That Burke Ramsey Likely Killed His Sister

This. Is. Chilling.

www.marieclaire.com

 

[UncoolNegated]

To be clear, I do not have any opinion at all on the train track theory. But “a panel of law enforcement specialists (including former FBI profiler Jim Clemente and former Scotland Yard criminal behavior expert Laura Richards) brought it up in the TV special linked below.

'The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey' Concludes That Burke Ramsey Likely Killed His Sister

This. Is. Chilling.

www.marieclaire.com

If a nine-year-old accidentally kills his sister in a moment of anger, what need is there for a cover-up? How much punishment would be dished out to a child that young? I am guessing, none. There's more legal risk in the cover-up than admitting what happened if this theory was true.

 

[thefragile7393]

If a nine-year-old accidentally kills his sister in a moment of anger, what need is there for a cover-up? How much punishment would be dished out to a child that young? I am guessing, none. There's more legal risk in the cover-up than admitting what happened if this theory was a

If a nine-year-old accidentally kills his sister in a moment of anger, what need is there for a cover-up? How much punishment would be dished out to a child that young? I am guessing, none. There's more legal risk in the cover-up than admitting what happened if this theory was true.

appearances, social disgrace, other family secrets coming to light.

 

[thefragile7393]

I can’t believe there is still people that genuinely believe the family did it. Do you really think the mom or dad would choke out their kid with a rope and sexually assault her with a paintbrush?

Yes. Because we’ve seen parents do much worse

 

[thefragile7393]

I agree. I think the Ramsey's are innocent.
Why would John participate in all the investigations all these years if he was guilty or knew who was? That alone makes no sense to me.

Same reasons why many who aren’t innocent claim they are innocent even in prison. Keep the narrative going. I feel someone in that family knows/knew something. Can’t prove it…no real evidence just feelings

 

[Cedars]

To be clear, I do not have any opinion at all on the train track theory. But “a panel of law enforcement specialists (including former FBI profiler Jim Clemente and former Scotland Yard criminal behavior expert Laura Richards) brought it up in the TV special linked below.

'The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey' Concludes That Burke Ramsey Likely Killed His Sister

This. Is. Chilling.

www.marieclaire.com

Burke sued one of the pathologists on that show, who argued the lawsuit should be dismissed because "his claims that Burke killed his younger sibling were merely “speculation.” "His speculations, even if firmly held and confidently expressed, are not statements of fact”.

JonBenét Ramsey Case: Dr. Werner Spitz Files Response to Burke Ramsey Lawsuit

Dr. Werner Spitz has filed a response to Burke Ramsey's $150 million defamation lawsuit stemming from the two-part CBS documentary about JonBenét Ramsey

people.com

Why would someone speculate about this kind of thing on TV: a big paycheck, obviously.

JMO

 

[Tower]

Burke sued one of the pathologists on that show, who argued the lawsuit should be dismissed because "his claims that Burke killed his younger sibling were merely “speculation.” "His speculations, even if firmly held and confidently expressed, are not statements of fact”.

JonBenét Ramsey Case: Dr. Werner Spitz Files Response to Burke Ramsey Lawsuit

Dr. Werner Spitz has filed a response to Burke Ramsey's $150 million defamation lawsuit stemming from the two-part CBS documentary about JonBenét Ramsey

people.com

Why would someone speculate about this kind of thing on TV: a big paycheck, obviously.

JMO

Cedars said:
“Unless you can cite a definitive forensic expert who asserts that, it is just speculation.“

I cited forensic experts. We can all disagree with them, but forensic experts did assert the marks matched Burke’s train tracks. I personally don’t believe the marks are from a train track or stun gun, and I gather that you feel the same, but forensic experts did posit these theories.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I think it was a young person(S)... one or two boys messing around/perhaps sexually curious (maybe not the first time?), things escalated and got out of control and a terrible accident and cover up.

One of Burke's friends who the Ramseys were close to after the crime. That would explain any cover up with families if there were one. If a minor, the death penalty was on the table IIRC... maybe sparing another family pain was worth it if a young child?

The more I read on this theory, the more it makes the most sense. JMO MOO of course.

 

[docyabut]

Did you all know a male`s DNA was found on JonBenét Ramsey's clothing and a weapon in the 1996 murder case ? Testing their DNA on Her whole family and all the friends were tested and all the men in the untold story was tested and the law couldn't find any matchings

Watch Hunting JonBenét's Killer: The Untold Story | A&E

www.aetv.com

 

[docyabut]

In 2002, the DA's successor took over investigation of the case from the police and primarily pursued the theory that an intruder had committed the killing. In 2003, trace DNA that was taken from JonBenét's clothes was found to belong to an unknown male; each of the family's DNA had been excluded from this match. The DA sent the Ramseys a letter of apology in 2008, declaring the family was "completely cleared" by the DNA results

Killing of JonBenét Ramsey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Honeybirdette]

Same reasons why many who aren’t innocent claim they are innocent even in prison. Keep the narrative going. I feel someone in that family knows/knew something. Can’t prove it…no real evidence just feelings

“The Ramseys killed their daughter. No evidence, just a feeling”

And this is what we’re dealing with folks.

 

[anniejanet]

I have lot of proof. But it's not my proof. It's proof from the professionals who have looked at this case. Yes it is my opinion but my opinion is based on proof. There are mountains of proof. I have to head out but over the weekend I will present some of the proof that points to no intruder. Until then feel free to ask questions and I will do my best to answer them.

Tricia,

I've seen you say this a few times. I would really like to see your reasoning for this belief. I'm an eternal optimist and have a difficult time believing the parents did this to JB. I do have an open mind though.

Looking forward to anything you have to say about this.

 

[Cedars]

Cedars said:
“Unless you can cite a definitive forensic expert who asserts that, it is just speculation.“

I cited forensic experts. We can all disagree with them, but forensic experts did assert the marks matched Burke’s train tracks. I personally don’t believe the marks are from a train track or stun gun, and I gather that you feel the same, but forensic experts did posit these theories.

My problem with theories such as the train tracks is no one offers evidence from the crime scene ie her blood or skin was found on a piece of train track, or a piece was broken and found near the body, etc. They can't, because the train tracks were never investigated as part of the crime scene, they were never seized in the search warrants that are available.

In every other case I've followed, the forensic facts are established about the crime, from the scene, by forensic experts.

IMO, allegedly forensic evidence can't be pulled out of thin air 20 years later.

JMO

 

[bearfossils]

I’m sorry, but I find it absolutely ludicrous that some people are more willing to believe that a nine year old child perpetrated a violent sexual assault against his little sister, murdered her, left her body in that state, and was subsequently protected by his parents, who proceeded to cover up the crime and lie about it for decades, than even entertain the notion that an intruder could have possibly done it.

 

[Cedars]

“The Ramseys killed their daughter. No evidence, just a feeling”

And this is what we’re dealing with folks.

I agree.

Unfortunately, it seems people were encouraged to adopt this 'make up your mind first, then look for evidence to back up your theory', by leaks from the Boulder police department.

I really wonder how things might have been different if Boulder police had turned the case over to Colorado state police and the FBI. Even today, Boulder police are snippy about it being "their" case to solve, which, to me, is nuts for a town of 100,000 population.

Like, if Hampton county had refused to turn the Murdaugh murders over to the South Carolina State Police, would they still be bogged down in personal power politics, and all the forensics used at the trial missed?

JMO

 

[docyabut]

You could be right