Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey

[Styngyn]

Maybe "points to", but crime solving needs something that categorically rules out any other possibility beyond a reasonable doubt, which I don't believe is possible, as the police didn't seal off the property and seriously investigate for evidence of an intruder.

And if the evidence is strong against the Ramsey's, why have they never been charged?

Until someone is charged and the evidence presented in court, and someone is convicted, every crime is unsolved. So at this point it is all just speculation. The word 'proof, just means 'my personal opinion'.

JMO

There's no solid 'beyond reasonable doubt' proof against anyone/anything in this case. None. No matter what camp you may fall in. Any and all can be theoretically disproven

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Indeed throughout this entire NF series JR repeatedly emphasizes genetic DNA testing because deep down he probably knows it won't lead anywhere and keeps the heat off where he wants it off

It"s the opposite. Without a UM1 match John (if he is guilty) can point to that as the killer forever. If UM1 gets identified by genetic genealogy, John (if he is guilty) must know UM1 wasn't there and can thus have an alibi. So if John is guilty identifying UM1 is the worst thing he can do.

 

[Tower]

Killers will "cover up" a body or hide what they have done usually if they know the victim in some form. It can be a tell tale sign that a killer knew their victim in some form.

This behavior is likely due to the murderer wanting to distance themselves from their act. It could be shame of desecrating a small helpless girl if you are a pedo, or due to a personal connection if you are her parent. Once again, the evidence in this case is inconclusive and can point us in a variety of different directions.

In this article, they found no conclusive connection between the attacker and victim in many cases when the victim was masked or concealed.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/jip.1582

 

[docyabut]

Still hoping THIS CASE COULD BE SOLVED IN THE Philippines Criminal DATA BASE DNA? yes in finding the matching to the unknown male`s DNA was found on JonBenét Ramsey's clothing and a weapon in the 1996 murder case

 

[Slebby]

Still hoping THIS CASE COULD BE SOLVED IN THE Philippines Criminal DATA BASE DNA? yes in finding the matching to the unknown male`s DNA was found on JonBenét Ramsey's clothing and a weapon in the 1996 murder case

Are you suggesting this based on the fact JR served in the Philippines 30 years earlier?or is there another connection to the Philippines?

 

[docyabut]

Are you suggesting this based on the fact JR served in the Philippines 30 years earlier?or is there another connection to the Philippines?

Yes someone there that hated JR

 

[Slebby]

Yes someone there that hated JR

Why the Philippines and why did they hate him? And why wait 30 years to get him back?

 

[docyabut]

Why the Philippines and why did they hate him? And why wait 30 years to get him back?

THE RANSOM LETTER
The two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so I advise you not to provoke them.

 

[docyabut]

I still think JR oldest son knew them hired them was going to pay them out of his father`s $118,000.00 money, This case was all about money

 

[FMB]

THE RANSOM LETTER
The two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so I advise you not to provoke them.

So why did the Ramsey's " provoke" them?? They did everything the Ransom note said NOT to do...

 

[Tabulator]

That is an assumption that one prosecutor would have the same attorneys and people higher up on the food chain saying don't release the information. Please show we're Illinois law is the same as Colorado law pertaining to a minor under age 10

 

[SK174]

But the crime scene was not secured for several hours after the original phone call to the police at 545 AM. So any trace evidence of an intruder could easily have been affected by all of the traffic in and out of the home. A lot of people were in and out of the house before the crime scene was secured.

Also, the chance that Patsy Ramsey wrote the note is considered to be low based on handwriting analysis. It's not John Ramsey's handwriting. That means it almost certainly must have been written by someone else. And the pen and notepad for the writing were from inside the house. To think that there was no intruder, you have to think that it's Patsy's handwriting despite the low probability of that. Or you have to think that the notepad and pen were taken outside of the house to a third party who wrote the note and then Patsy or John placed it there. All to kill their six-year-old child?

It's fanciful to think like that. What makes a lot more sense is that the intruder wrote the note as a diversion, killed JonBenet, and then the trace evidence of his intrusion was simply eliminated by all the people who entered the house before the police realized the totality of the crime scene and secured it accordingly.

Screenshots are from "Introduction to Forensic Science" by Roderick Bates at Coursera.

Ok I’ll bite. An intruder broke in, killed jonbenet, then found a paper and pen in the house and decided to hang out for a bit writing a three page letter?

Why?

I worked in forensics for 20 years and handwriting analysis is often given side eye. I’m not saying it’s worthless, I just don’t have confidence it in it like blood spatter analysis. Stress, urgency, any number of things can affect handwriting. If you lower your confidence in handwriting analysis it’s very hard to imagine this was an intruder.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

This behavior is likely due to the murderer wanting to distance themselves from their act. It could be shame of desecrating a small helpless girl if you are a pedo, or due to a personal connection if you are her parent. Once again, the evidence in this case is inconclusive and can point us in a variety of different directions.

In this article, they found no conclusive connection between the attacker and victim in many cases when the victim was masked or concealed.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/jip.1582

Interesting article, I am a bit confused though!

It seems like article says there is a higher percentage connection, no? 106 out of 126 seems fairly high? And 2/3 which is again high or am I missing something?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Yes someone there that hated JR

Didn't he have some reserve or Navy buddies in Atlanta at some point? I will try to find where I read that... I might be off.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

So why did the Ramsey's " provoke" them?? They did everything the Ransom note said NOT to do...

Well as a parent I would probably call the police too... to be fair. My spouse might not agree but that would be my first instinct as a mother.

 

[docyabut]

THE RANSOM LETTER
The two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so I advise you not to provoke them.

So why did the Ramsey's " provoke" them?? They did everything the Ransom note said NOT to do...

THE RANSOM LETTER

You will withdraw $118,000.00 from your account. $100,000 will be in $100 bills and the remaining $18,000 in $20 bills. I will call you between 8 and 10 am tomorrow to instruct you on delivery.. If we monitor you getting the money early, we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence a earlier delivery pick-up of your daughter.

JR went to the bank that morning to get that money. but the perp didn't call is when the Ramsey's called the police

 

[UncoolNegated]

Ok I’ll bite. An intruder broke in, killed jonbenet, then found a paper and pen in the house and decided to hang out for a bit writing a three page letter?

Why?

I worked in forensics for 20 years and handwriting analysis is often given side eye. I’m not saying it’s worthless, I just don’t have confidence it in it like blood spatter analysis. Stress, urgency, any number of things can affect handwriting. If you lower your confidence in handwriting analysis it’s very hard to imagine this was an intruder.

Well, a simple reason to use materials in the house for the note would be that he didn't want the materials used in the ransom note traced to him. Using something he found in the house would prevent the materials from being traced to their origin points and thereby associated with him somehow.

 

[FMB]

THE RANSOM LETTER

You will withdraw $118,000.00 from your account. $100,000 will be in $100 bills and the remaining $18,000 in $20 bills. I will call you between 8 and 10 am tomorrow to instruct you on delivery.

JR went to the bank that morning to get that money. but the perp didn't call is when the Ramsey's called the police

Patsy Ramsey made the 911 call at 5:52 am.....police arrived like 10 minutes later. So what time are you saying John went to the bank?? I have never heard evidence of John going to the bank, I have never heard of John Ramsey saying he went to the bank for the ransom....
Why get the ransom but ignore all the other instructions on the RN?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

THE RANSOM LETTER

You will withdraw $118,000.00 from your account. $100,000 will be in $100 bills and the remaining $18,000 in $20 bills. I will call you between 8 and 10 am tomorrow to instruct you on delivery.. If we monitor you getting the money early, we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence a earlier delivery pick-up of your daughter.

JR went to the bank that morning to get that money. but the perp didn't call is when the Ramsey's called the police

Interesting the writer used 'I' and then flipped to 'we'... Freudian slip?

I think killer was alone and knew John and family somehow (so not an intruder as knew the house and not family). MOO

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Well, a simple reason to use materials in the house for the note would be that he didn't want the materials used in the ransom note traced to him. Using something he found in the house would prevent the materials from being traced to their origin points and thereby associated with him somehow.

ITA, that is my thought as well.

This person went to great lengths to not be recognized (as they would being known to the family) or traced except that rope it seems. I wonder if the killer wore a mask themselves? If JR was awake when lured downstairs, she would have had to trust this person unless asleep and carried.