FL - Daniel, 32, & Heather Kelsey, 30, found dead, Volusia County, 31 Dec 2016

[EA18G]

All the news articles I have viewed stated they were from Ormond Beach, FL.

 

[Jax49]

If I understand the articles linked, they were headed home to Ormond Beach from the grandparents in Quincy. Why were they so far south?

 

[rsd1200]

I have to say this 1 more time bc I am starting to wonder if my earlier post may be what they're eluding to with the mother. Is it possible the mother did pull over for dad to "use" saw him being overcome from an overdose went to his aid and came into contact with the substance and she was also overcome. The stuff heroin is being cut with lately has caused numerous overdoses and deaths. Officers have had this same situation happen to them as well. She may have put her hand to his face or her mouth to his mouth any wierd scenario and that's why she doesn't look like an obvious overdose case. She would have no residue in her nose or no fresh needle marks either upon examination by the coroner. It's possible, I'm starting to wonder if that's why they wanted to clarify in regards to the mother.

Please let them be sure she's a purposeful overdose before they go reporting she overdosed & she was an addict. If she's not showing obvious signs it IS possible she came into contact with it unknowingly. This mother probably worked hard to be clean and I hope they make sure it's clear cut.

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This was just on the news tonight, they reported that fentanyl is so dangerous, that LE in our area has been instructed, that if they touch it, or inhale it accidentally, they could possibly die. That is some scary stuff.

 

[bessie]

Chitwood was just sworn in as sheriff. He really needs to quit speculating and await the autopsy results.

Chitwood was the Daytona Beach police chief for ten years. So, he's no neophyte.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=4109398&page=1

http://www.news-journalonline.com/n...olicing-begins-with-new-sheriff-mike-chitwood

 

[EA18G]

I know. Lived in Daytona Beach Shores for several years.

 

[EA18G]

They probably chose to take 75 South, then I-4 to the East Coast. They may have even cut through Ocala or some other backroads.

 

[Adt1984]

This is such a bizarre situation. My first thought was murder suicide but the no obvious signs of trauma on the bodies kind of rules that out. My second thought, drug overdose but the most recent article I've read states there was no drug paraphernalia and neither mom or dad had a record of drug use so that seems unlikely.

Investigators did not find any drugs in the vehicle and neither parent has a record of drug use.

http://www.wftv.com/news/local/myst...-dead-3-children-unharmed-along-i-4/480472742

 

[creepcrusher]

LE said there were no drugs or paraphernalia found at the scene. Perhaps they had done it before they left the party, but given the short distance, it doesn't make much sense that they would pull over and do drugs on the side of the road with their hazard lights on.

I agree with you. It makes more sense that they would pull over because they were sick. With no sign of foul play, it definitely looks like drugs. I've heard of many cases where people quit using, and later relapse using the same amount they used back when they had a higher tolerance. It ends up killing them. This could've been the case here, on top of using a bad batch imo. They may have taken the drugs before they got on the road IMO. Those poor children.

 

[Elise]

There was some discussion upthread about this particular article, where it says the children "were" in foster care.

http://www.news-journalonline.com/n...se-suspected-in-death-of-ormond-couple-on-i-4

My two cents on this is that it's a poorly written article, and they meant the children were taken into emergency foster care, then released to family. I don't know if the kids were ever in foster care in the past, but so far, nothing has come out saying so. They apparently even have the childrens' ages wrong in this article, stating they are 2, 1, and an infant. We've seen in every other article that their boys ranged from 8 months to 4 years.


I'm on the OD train with most here, but it's so odd to me. If it's in fact an OD, I just don't understand why they didn't just wait to do whatever they did at home.

I used to drive home drunk (and high, but mostly drunk, stupidly thinking I was "fine") a lot when I was younger. It was incredibly stupid, and I'm ashamed to admit it, but I did. I never did heroin, but I've done most other things. I haven't driven like that in over 10 years, thanks to me blacking out, jumping a curb into someoe's yard, and almost flipping my car due to me overcorrecting while trying to get back on the road. Scared the absolute poo out of me, and I vowed to never drive like that again. I've stuck to that. I'm so, so thankful I never hurt anyone.

That said, I'm now a mom and I won't drive with her in the car if I've had even a drop of alcohol. Won't do it. I rarely drink now anyway, but my point still stands. I have poor vision, and often have very, very poor night vision. There have been a couple of times where I was on my way down to my parents' house with my daughter in tow (about 45 miles), and it had gotten too dark, so I pulled into a store and had them come pick us up. I'm that freaked out about something happening to my child. I just can't imagine getting high like that and then driving with kids in the car. I guess because I don't have the mind of an addict, I don't know.

Anyway, dad looks high to me in a lot of his pictures and mom looks fine. If this turns out to be an OD, I think he was the primary user, and maybe she was either clean for awhile, or just did something occasionally. I don't mean to offend anyone by saying that, it's just my observation. I could be totally wrong.

 

[CARIIS]

This is such a bizarre situation. My first thought was murder suicide but the no obvious signs of trauma on the bodies kind of rules that out. My second thought, drug overdose but the most recent article I've read states there was no drug paraphernalia and neither mom or dad had a record of drug use so that seems unlikely.


http://www.wftv.com/news/local/myst...-dead-3-children-unharmed-along-i-4/480472742

Also have pondered if DCF might been close to taking them out of the house again , and that triggered relapse.

Contradictory info regarding the intial round of media reports, regarding no drug history, have basically been eradicated, I think it would be fair to say at least past abuse history, supposedly in recovery.

Reports indicate good father - so I wonder if it is gonna end up being RX as opposed to street.

Elisie your not alone --dad looks rougher around the edges in terms of past.

Notice they have not released any or stated that there were none (criminal history?) We might find some criminal drug-related history. In death usually criminal history comes to light one way or the other pretty quick .

Got nothing here

https://app02.clerk.org/ccms/inquiry.aspx

Just ponderings

 

[CARIIS]

[FONT=&amp]Double suicide? If ya think about that actually may fit [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Best .[/FONT][FONT=&amp] What are the odds of two people in the same place at the same time dying within an hour of each [/FONT][FONT=&amp]other[/FONT][FONT=&amp].[/FONT][FONT=&amp] This would have to be on"purpose" no? Planned - organized purposeful??[/FONT]

It almost (hazards light) seems like this was planned. Like they needed to make sure the children would be safe and found quickly .

What better way than on an interstate, with hazards on?

 

[Elise]

[FONT=&]Double suicide? If ya think about that actually may fit [/FONT][FONT=&]Best .[/FONT][FONT=&] What are the odds of two people in the same place at the same time dying within an hour of each [/FONT][FONT=&]other[/FONT][FONT=&].[/FONT][FONT=&] This would have to be on"purpose" no? Planned - organized purposeful??[/FONT]

It almost (hazards light) seems like this was planned. Like they needed to make sure the children would be safe and found quickly .

What better way than on an interstate, with hazards on?

Maybe, but I'd think if they were going to do that, they wouldn't have left the car alongside the highway. A lot of accidents happen with someone slamming into a car parked along the side of the road. I'm not sure how far off the road they were, though. In my head, I'm seeing the shoulder, but maybe they were pulled off farther than that?

 

[Jax49]

If it was drugs it might explain the oddity of their location. If they scored them in a town south of Ormond and then tried to drive home, that is. Just spitballing. MOO.

 

[CARIIS]

I Explored here

https://www.truthfinder.com

http://www.open-public-records.com/florida/daytona_beach_data.htm

Ormond Beach

 

[Rott Mom]

I really don't know much about drugs, but why O.D. on a highway w/ three babies in the car? Did they really feel safe pulling the car onto the shoulder? If I'm going to do "drugs" I would NOT do it on a highway! Like I said, I don't know anything about drugs. Thank God these babies are okay.

 

[LisaWL7TR]

Maybe, but I'd think if they were going to do that, they wouldn't have left the car alongside the highway. A lot of accidents happen with someone slamming into a car parked along the side of the road. I'm not sure how far off the road they were, though. In my head, I'm seeing the shoulder, but maybe they were pulled off farther than that?

This older article with pic seems to show them pulled quite a bit to the side of the road. Imho...I don't think it was suicide or suicide murder.

http://www.wftv.com/news/local/depu...d-along-i-4-3-boys-in-suv-uninjured/480191070

 

[CARIIS]

Maybe, but I'd think if they were going to do that, they wouldn't have left the car alongside the highway. A lot of accidents happen with someone slamming into a car parked along the side of the road. I'm not sure how far off the road they were, though. In my head, I'm seeing the shoulder, but maybe they were pulled off farther than that?

I know I- 4

"shoulder" down here is a bit different!!!

its not like big city expressways in that part of the state 40 50 feet of wide open grass before treeline appears - very expansive to avoid possibility of rear end accident



google images

the word choice in the article , I pictured in my head like as far over as the green sign

inchplenty of space to pull really off the road and in one report it described him beingan embankment - if one wanted to they could pull off the road like 9 feet and be seen easily

 

[CARIIS]

If I understand the articles linked, they were headed home to Ormond Beach from the grandparents in Quincy. Why were they so far south?

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Q...80622610a532a43!8m2!3d30.5880468!4d-84.591058

Sense of Quincy:

downtown!

 

[watergirl62]

Didn't police just take pictures of a couple passed out behind the wheel while the kid was in the back seat?

Btw. I heard the male driver in the case im referring to had recently o.d and died after that picture with him and his lady were taken.

Not the same couple you are thinking of but a similar story happened here last week.

Two Austin-area parents were arrested*after police found them passed out in possession of black tar heroin with two young children in the car, according to an affidavit.

RRPD told KXAN that the department’s victims services released the children to a friend of the mother with CPS approval.

http://kxan.com/2016/12/28/round-rock-parents-found-passed-out-with-heroin-2-babies-in-car/

 

[CARIIS]

Not the same couple you are thinking of but a similar story happened here last week.

Two Austin-area parents were arrested*after police found them passed out in possession of black tar heroin with two young children in the car, according to an affidavit.

RRPD told KXAN that the department’s victims services released the children to a friend of the mother with CPS approval.

http://kxan.com/2016/12/28/round-rock-parents-found-passed-out-with-heroin-2-babies-in-car/

I guess I really dont have a grasp on the hard core stuff. I was under the assumption that one could not (mentally) drive while under the influence of some of this stuff -- it has not been like

4 injuries when driver on heroin ran a read light

or

Two killed when driver on crack hits telephone pole

Stuff like that ??