FL - Daniel, 32, & Heather Kelsey, 30, found dead, Volusia County, 31 Dec 2016

[Jax49]

Here's a pic of mile marker 122.

http://www.crosscountryroads.com/images/florida/i04eb1/IMG_1427.JPG

 

[JerseyGirl]

The kids were watching a movie in the back seat:

http://www.startribune.com/report-3-kids-watched-movie-as-parents-lay-dead-outside-suv/409875495/

hopefully they didn't see whatever their parents were going through.

 

[Armchair2]

http://www.news-journalonline.com/n...ead-on-i-4-were-watching-movie-in-running-car

"Chitwood said Thursday that it was Daniel Kelsey who tested "presumptive positive" for drugs. The sheriff said there was a "presence of weed" in his urine. However, Chitwood also added that the toxicology tests done on the couple may show other substances."

More at link

Weed? Is not know for being a killer drug ?

 

[watergirl62]

Weed? Is not know for being a killer drug ?

K2 then? Spice? It's a huge problem here.

I can see that being a NYE party favor.

http://spiceaddictionsupport.org/what-is-spice/

 

[Hatfield]

Users are paranoid drivers-not of their ability to drive but of LE-more so during the holidays. They could've picked up NYE party favors (drugs), saw a state trooper and ate whatever they had, explaining the simultaneous symptoms. I'm unfamiliar with heroin but think of coke, meth or molly as party drugs. Unless it's suicide no one plans to od and in the mind of a user driving loaded beats all the charges they would've faced with kids in the car.

Re BBM

Whoa. This is a brilliant possibility I never would have even thought about. They may have even gotten pulled over and ate the drugs before an officer got to the window.
They could have even gotten pulled over in another location before that and the drugs hit them where they were found.

Wondering if LE dispatch may have a record of an officer calling in a pullover of their vehicle anywhere that day/night. If LE did make a stop of their car I wonder if LE will ever admit to it.

One thing you are very right about is people carrying drugs are very paranoid about LE and many people have attempted to swallow drugs when getting pulled over.
I've even seen it on the show Cops where LE was trying to pry the guys mouth open and make him spit drugs out.

 

[CARIIS]

Here's a pic of mile marker 122.

http://www.crosscountryroads.com/images/florida/i04eb1/IMG_1427.JPG

Awesome Jax -- dark as heck!

 

[Jdianeg]

This is my second post on this site. So bear with me.

I live in Volusia County and can say the first thought I had when hearing this was "drugs"; but, the fact they were outside the vehicle is what is odd.

Just to clarify some info on I-4 and where they live- my husband travels for work and he says there are back roads to take through Gainesville and Ocala that dump you on I-4 right by that mile marker. If they were traveling from the panhandle, that could explain that. Although, their whereabouts isn't clear.

Recently, DeLand and that general area has had some big drug busts...mostly painkillers and heroin. In looking at their public profiles, I think there is some evidence of a drug history. Someone mentioned that she had a pretty noticeable weight loss-which I immediately noticed, too.

Not much help, but I'm fascinated by them being outside the vehicle and her being slumped on the SUV. So very odd.

One theory, besides OD, is a fight and he killed her and then OD'd.

 

[Simply Caustic]

None of this is making any sense to me at all. A standard 12-panel drug urine screen (UDS) checks for cocaine, cannabis, PCP, amphetamines, opiates, benzodiazepines, barbiturates, methadone, propoxyphene, Quaaludes, Ecstasy/MDMA, & Oxycodone/Percoset.

The article says, "Chitwood said Thursday that it was Daniel Kelsey who tested 'presumptive positive' for drugs. The sheriff said there was a 'presence of weed' in his urine. However, Chitwood also added that the toxicology tests done on the couple may show other substances."

This leads me to believe that all that has been performed thus far is a standard UDS. A false negative on a UDS would be extremely rare and those are usually the result of purposeful manipulation. Therefore, at this point, all of this talk about other drugs is nearly a moot point. The only thing we have to go on is that they found Daniel Kelsey to be positive for cannabis. Cannabis didn't cause his death.

Interesting that THC was the only thing he tested positive for (I am aware it was only a preliminary test). There is a whole sub on Reddit dedicated to where to obtain research chemicals - these mimic the effects of many types of drugs (benzos, opiates, etc) one name off the top of my head is etizolam (Russian anxiety med you can order online). There are opiate-esque, ones, as well...I wonder if that could be it? Interesting.

I hope answers are forthcoming for their families.


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[Simply Caustic]

I would now assume that they didn't take any of those drugs tested for in a UDS (except cannabis) but something else? What could it be that kills so fast and efficiently?

Furanylfentanyl. An analog of fentanyl sold as a designer drug and available on the darknet.
That's just one, I can imagine there are countless others. Heartbreaking, those poor kids. I genuinely wonder whether these designer/research chemicals are screened for in a full tox panel? Actually they must be as a local boy in chicago died from an OD of these darknet powders and it's active at .10g or something ridiculously small like that - deadly in even mildly larger doses.


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[Armchair2]

This is my second post on this site. So bear with me.

I live in Volusia County and can say the first thought I had when hearing this was "drugs"; but, the fact they were outside the vehicle is what is odd.

Just to clarify some info on I-4 and where they live- my husband travels for work and he says there are back roads to take through Gainesville and Ocala that dump you on I-4 right by that mile marker. If they were traveling from the panhandle, that could explain that. Although, their whereabouts isn't clear.

Recently, DeLand and that general area has had some big drug busts...mostly painkillers and heroin. In looking at their public profiles, I think there is some evidence of a drug history. Someone mentioned that she had a pretty noticeable weight loss-which I immediately noticed, too.

Not much help, but I'm fascinated by them being outside the vehicle and her being slumped on the SUV. So very odd.

One theory, besides OD, is a fight and he killed her and then OD'd.

Weight loss could be due to her having a baby 8 months ago, third child all under 4 years likely she's running sun up till sun down with the children

 

[Hatfield]

Maybe the Sheriff is a "child of the '70's" I would expect him to state a tox screen showed THC.

Agree. The different terms for marijuana are quite amazing really. Growing up I have heard so many terms and people tend to use the term they favor the most. MJ, weed, grass, reefer, blundt, pot, J, joint, smoke, and many others. LOL

I suspect the coroner/morgue first did a quick standard urine test first just to get an indication one way or another and then sent blood to a lab for official report. The coroner can extract urine from a dead person by inserting a catheter. So it is a quick way to get an idea what they will uncover when the blood test comes back from the lab with a detailed report.

Those standard drug test kits that parents can even buy today at the pharmacy store cover a lot of the basics but the reason LE likes to do a formal lab test is because those store bought kits do not give specifics that LE needs to have as a legal document and legal proof of anything.

They are similar to pregnancy tests in that they just provide indicators that lets LE or parents know a subject is likely to have substances ingested. They do give some indication of amounts but they are not nearly as specific as a blood lab test report will give them. The kits today are actually getting much better though and they do give a pretty reliable reading on about 8-10 different substances. The more money you want to pay the more things the different kits can test for.

 

[Armchair2]

Just my opinion :thinking:

 

[CARIIS]

Interesting that THC was the only thing he tested positive for (I am aware it was only a preliminary test). There is a whole sub on Reddit dedicated to where to obtain research chemicals - these mimic the effects of many types of drugs (benzos, opiates, etc) one name off the top of my head is etizolam (Russian anxiety med you can order online). There are opiate-esque, ones, as well...I wonder if that could be it? Interesting.

I hope answers are forthcoming for their families.


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Simply

just a rough idea with all the charges what is the minimum you think they could get??

 

[Simply Caustic]

Simply

just a rough idea with all the charges what is the minimum you think they could get??

I'm barely drinking my coffee, forgive me - what charges? Parents deceased? Or you mean potential dealer?
You can buy any denomination of weed right now, delivered to your door in what they call "stealth" packaging, overnight mail. Same for oodles of research chemicals and even illegal drugs like heroin but those are harder to obtain since research chems are a murky market where sometimes, the shipper/seller/dealer isn't overtly breaking the law (depending where he is shipping from). In many states etizolam and various others are banned but in my home state you can get an opiate like high from kratom shipped overnight from dozens of clearnet (regular, normal websites) sites. If they got furanylfentanyl they'll likely not find the seller but so many proxies and various ways of tumbling their payment method (bitcoin can be tumbled to hide who sent it and received)....well, I would imagine they won't get caught. Just my opinion and I'm not saying they were using drugs, you never know, but it seems a likely scenario.


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[Razz]

I found this interesting. Don't know that it is connected but it showed up in my Google news of the day. I sometimes get Deland news but the timing on this seemed....odd.

http://www.wesh.com/article/six-people-arrested-in-deland-following-undercover-drug-sting/8566503

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[dyannaON]

I don't know if it's been mentioned or what the actual name of the drug is and if it's screened but I have heard many people are overdosing on elephant tranquillizers. I follow a page for moms with addicts and although I'm in Canada and I haven't heard this trend yet here I have read a lot of stories in my group about kids oding on it.


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[mrsu]

Some people are saying slumped on the car? The way I read it was that she was sitting on the ground up against the vehicle but slumped over passed out.

 

[Hatfield]

Some people are saying slumped on the car? The way I read it was that she was like she was sitting on the ground up against the vehicle but slumped over passed out.

This was how I pictured it too when I read an article about how she was found. I was thinking like sitting on ground with back against a tire and slumped over.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Sorry if this has already been posted.
"One of two parents found dead outside their SUV about 2 a.m. Saturday with their children inside tested positive for drugs after autopsies were performed Tuesday, officials said.

The autopsies did not show any signs of trauma on either Daniel Kelsey, 32, or Heather Kelsey, 30. The official cause of death was not immediately determined after the examination, Volusia County Sheriff's Office spokesman Andrew Gant said."
I guess it will take a few weeks for the Tox screens to come back.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-dead-parents-drug-positive-20170105-story.html

 

[Hatfield]

Trying to list all the different possibilities we have been talking about. I may have missed some so feel free to add any others.

1-CO2 poisoning from faulty car exhaust getting inside passenger cabin and somehow only affected front passengers

2-Murder and Suicide with no other people involved
EXAMPLE - A fight with stragulation or suffocation or hit on head with no apparent injury and other person offs themself

3-Murder by someone else and they left scene

4-Poisoned by something orally ingested at another location and they were totally unaware.
EXAMPLE - someone was mad at someone and spiked the punch with rat poison.

5-OD'd by something orally ingested at another location and they were totally unaware.
EXAMPLE - someone spiked the punch with hard drugs and they didn't know about it.

6-OD'd by something either intravenous or orally ingested at another location and they just had too much.
EXAMPLE - they voluntarily had too much of something at someones house and it hit them on the road after they left.

7-OD'd by something either intravenous or orally ingested in the car and just had too much.
EXAMPLE - they voluntarily had too much of something while in their car

8-They had drugs in car and were getting pulled over or thought they were about to get pulled over and swallowed the drugs. Too powerful and too much.