FL - Five killed, 8 wounded in shooting at Fort Lauderdale Airport, 6 Jan 2017

[CARIIS]

So how does this work for real? Bags going into bellies of the planes are X-rayed.

So if it is legal to pack a pair of jeans and a .45 caliber gun --in youyr suitcase - what do they do when they are xraying bags down below.

Maybe I am not grasping this right

So I suppose this means that all they are looking for is bombs - they need to catch up here.

Local ABC good grief every passenger in term 2 is being moved to term 3 for integration - e v e r y o n e are for trapped peopleIf it was me I would just wanna get out of there after this why would I want to want for 9 hours to be interviewed for an hour they have to be exhuasted, half of them are not where they are supposed to be, there is money issues., they need baths showers wanna brush their teeth!!

 

[dotr]

http://appleinsider.com/articles/17...s-man-from-bullet-in-florida-airport-shooting

Describing the grisly scene to CNN's Anderson Cooper, Frappier said he, too, was shot in the back while taking cover on the ground. Luckily, he was lying prone, his backpack making an impromptu "tortoise-like" shell. Inside the pack was a MacBook Pro and other miscellaneous items.

As seen in the image above, the bullet from Santiago's gun traveled through an opening in the backpack and apparently hit the laptop's display, continuing through the aluminum unibody chassis, battery and other circuitry before exiting near the side intake vents.

The bullet ultimately came to rest in the backpack's front pocket.

 

[RainCheck]

How does one really become "in with Isis," is there an official baptismal procedure or something? A branding of some sort? A signed document with blood?


Are mental illness and Isis membership mutually exclusive? In my opinion, anyone who is a "member" of Isis has a mental illness. They are delusional sociopaths for the most part, peppered with depressed social "rejects" looking for a home---and no doubt, schizophrenics whose voices are telling them to join Isis and/or kill in the name of Isis.

Pedantic.
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To be clear, there IS a big difference between disenfranchised, mostly poor Muslim youths who cling to a doctrine that offers them some sort of sense of belonging and a promise of power they have never had, paid professional mercenaries recruited from across the Arab world and truly mentally ill people who are hearing voices and have attenpted to get help. Let's not lump them all together and say oh well they're all mentally ill.

 

[CARIIS]

When will this end?

Totally freaked out I thought you could not pack a gun it would trigger stuff

their homeless (passengers) All gonna have to be reticketed- baggage reunited - flights gonna be sold out - its gonna take days for the system to "clear out" and stabilize

Fueling operations , catering, getting flight crews in and out (so they do not exceed flight times) - this IMO different than a hurricane they can plan for that

Baggage carts are all over the place all going to have to be offloaded and connnected to owners who are then gonna have to be on r/s flight, getting the passengers and their baggage "connected" is gonna a be a mess.

The are gonna have to offload all the bags that in all in all the bellies of the planes sitting there.

Air Canada uses that one. They probably serve their customers real food! That's all gonna have to be off loaded.

There are now a bunch of people who are supposed to be in Fort Lauderdale in Miami-Naples Orlando Fort Myers (not sure media outlet) I was kinda flying around !

Just great there are now terrorists all over watching 100's of people standing on the tarmac and runways - total access to aircraft for hours

Bet their licking their lips, booking flights and packing guns in their bags!

 

[CARIIS]

To be clear, there IS a big difference between disenfranchised, mostly poor Muslim youths who cling to a doctrine that offers them some sort of sense of belonging and a promise of power they have never had, paid professional mercenaries recruited from across the Arab world and truly mentally ill people who are hearing voices and have attenpted to get help. Let's not lump them all together and say oh well they're all mentally ill.

I think there is a world of difference too. If this was a trained terrorists not hearing voices can you imagine the carnage??

I have never heard of a terrorist lying face down waiting kindly for handcuffs !!

 

[NCTeacher]

If it turns out this kid is schizophrenic, which it appears he likely is, then you have to consider how schizophrenia works.

Being surrounded by fear mongering sensationalist click bait headline news screaming about ISIS all the time will influence the schizophrenic mind.

But if you're more comfortable assuming this dude is a terrorist, then that's fine. I'm just going to keep a more open mind about the possible motivations until we know more.

I actually do know how schizophrenia works, I, like most on here, am highly educated and have taken Abnormal Psych, long before the bachelor's and master's degrees were conferred, but still the knowledge is there. Your suggestion could precisely be how he was inspired (and is actually what I was leaning towards the moment I heard that heard voices), or he may have been inspired while spending time overseas--at this point, we don't know those specifics. However, if voices were telling him to kill in the name of Isis, it was an Isis-inspired attack.

It's sort of like if a person gets breast cancer, the cancer metastasizes to the kidneys, and the patient subsequently dies of renal failure. She got renal failure because of her breast cancer, but she died of renal failure---just because the renal failure was THE RESULT of the breast cancer, it still wasn't the breast cancer that killed her. Likewise, a person can have schizophrenia, and as a result of their schizophrenia become enamored with ISIS and their message, and then go on a shooting rampage on behalf of ISIS. Those people are not dead because of the man's schizophrenia, but because of his fixation with ISIS. Schizophrenics typically don't kill.

 

[RainCheck]

Totally freaked out I thought you could not pack a gun it would trigger stuff

their homeless (passengers) All gonna have to be reticketed- baggage reunited - flights gonna be sold out - its gonna take days for the system to "clear out" and stabilize

There are now a bunch of people who are supposed to be in Fort Lauderdale in Miami-Naples Orlando Fort Myers (not sure media outlet) I was kinda flying around !!

Just great there are now terrorists all over watching 100's of people standing on the tarmac and runways - total access to aircraft for hours

Bet their licking their lips

My understanding is the gun was legal and packed in his checked baggage which is also legal. He didn't just sneak a gun on a plane. He retrieved the gun at baggage claim.

 

[NCTeacher]

I think there is a world of difference too. If this was a trained terrorists not hearing voices can you imagine the carnage??

I have never heard of a terrorist lying face down waiting kindly for handcuffs !!

Oh, that's it exactly. Because he decided to lay on the ground---he must not have ties to ISIS. Why didn't I think of that??

 

[drjones]

I actually do know how schizophrenia works, I, like most on here, am highly educated and have taken Abnormal Psych, long before the bachelor's and master's degrees were conferred, but still the knowledge is there. Your suggestion could precisely be how he was inspired (and is actually what I was leaning towards the moment I heard that heard voices), or he may have been inspired while spending time overseas--at this point, we don't know those specifics. However, if voices were telling him to kill in the name of Isis, it was an Isis-inspired attack.

It's sort of like if a person gets breast cancer, the cancer metastasizes to the kidneys, and the patient subsequently dies of renal failure. She got renal failure because of her breast cancer, but she died of renal failure---just because the renal failure was THE RESULT of the breast cancer, it still wasn't the breast cancer that killed her. Likewise, a person can have schizophrenia, and as a result of their schizophrenia become enamored with ISIS and their message, and then go on a shooting rampage on behalf of ISIS. Those people are not dead because of the man's schizophrenia, but because of his fixation with ISIS. Schizophrenics typically don't kill.

interesting, so if he became obsessed with aliens and heard alien voices telling him to kill it would be the aliens to blame not the schizophrenia? i did not know that.

 

[NCTeacher]

I think there is a world of difference too. If this was a trained terrorists not hearing voices can you imagine the carnage??

I have never heard of a terrorist lying face down waiting kindly for handcuffs !!

I don't know who is on here saying "trained terrorist," as if this guy trained in a terrorist camp, but I'm not. Right now, in a city near year, is a young, misinformed, ISIS-enamored individual (with no formal training) planning an attack with a knife, with a gun, with a machete, with something. Just because they weren't formally baptized in the Mosul-baptismal pool doesn't make them any less Isis-inspired or any less a terrorist.

 

[NCTeacher]

interesting, so if he became obsessed with aliens and heard alien voices telling him to kill it would be the aliens to blame not the schizophrenia? i did not know that.

Most certainly, IF the aliens were creating propaganda designed to impress upon people around the world to carry out attacks in the name of "Alienworld," encouraging Alienworld-inspired lone-wolf attacks in local communities without formal training.

Yes, in that case indeed, aliens would be to blame.

Now, if ISIS living in a galaxy far, far away with no communication and thus no propagandizing on Earth, then no, you couldn't blame them.

Your move.

 

[Dogface]

Cariis, when I have checked guns before, it was required to be in a special locking gun case, which I kept the key to(I had another box for ammo which locked and I kept the key to as well) and I had to declare it to them. They never made me take it out of the case or asked me to open it. The only thing I think you can just check without declaring is scopes.

 

[RainCheck]

interesting, so if he became obsessed with aliens and heard alien voices telling him to kill it would be the aliens to blame not the schizophrenia? i did not know that.

This exactly!

 

[DatelineFan]

And its not that I don't think he has had ISIS influnce or is affliated. I just don't think the scarf or the finger pointing is a sure thing.

I agree with you.

 

[CARIIS]

My understanding is the gun was legal and packed in his checked baggage which is also legal. He didn't just sneak a gun on a plane. He retrieved the gun at baggage claim.

DId everyone but me know you could pack guns in your suitcases?? That just blow my mind- you now have a gun inside any airport ??

How could this exact thing not have happened over and over already???

 

[dotr]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...port-shooting-who-is-suspect-esteban-santiago

“He is a regular person, spiritual, a good person,” Bryan Santiago said in the phone interview, adding that he had been “fighting with a lot of people” in Alaska. He speculated that his brother might have experienced a “flashback” to his military service, although he said the discharge was not due to PTSD or other issues related to his service in Iraq.

He also said that his brother was hospitalized with mental issues after returning from Iraq, and then spent some time in Puerto Rico caring for his sick father before moving to Alaska after his father’s death.
Esteban Santiago also reportedly had a valid Florida’s driver’s license and had an address in Naples, Florida, although officials would not confirm any details about the suspect at a Friday afternoon press conference, citing the ongoing investigation.

 

[Tawny]

Most certainly, IF the aliens were creating propaganda designed to impress upon people around the world to carry out attacks in the name of "Alienworld," encouraging Alienworld-inspired lone-wolf attacks in local communities without formal training.

Yes, in that case indeed, aliens would be to blame.

Now, if ISIS living in a galaxy far, far away with no communication and thus no propagandizing on Earth, then no, you couldn't blame them.

Your move.

AFAWK, it was the voices in his head telling him this.

 

[RainCheck]

Most certainly, IF the aliens were creating propaganda designed to impress upon people around the world to carry out attacks in the name of "Alienworld," encouraging Alienworld-inspired lone-wolf attacks in local communities without formal training.

Yes, in that case indeed, aliens would be to blame.

Now, if ISIS living in a galaxy far, far away with no communication and thus no propagandizing on Earth, then no, you couldn't blame them.

Your move.

But your scenario could be completely real to the person suffering from the delusion. It's real to them so someone could honestly believe there were aliens out there pushing propaganda to kill in their name. In fact, I'll bet money a mentally ill person has probably had that exact delusional at sometime in the history of man. Probably more than one person.

 

[drjones]

Most certainly, IF the aliens were creating propaganda designed to impress upon people around the world to carry out attacks in the name of "Alienworld," encouraging Alienworld-inspired lone-wolf attacks in local communities without formal training.

Yes, in that case indeed, aliens would be to blame.

Now, if ISIS living in a galaxy far, far away with no communication and thus no propagandizing on Earth, then no, you couldn't blame them.

Your move.

who said anything about propaganda around the world etc? the discussion was about hearing voices.

 

[drjones]

AFAWK, it was the voices in his head telling him this.

right, and the key point being - as far as we know, so the discussion is really academic at this point.