FL - Five killed, 8 wounded in shooting at Fort Lauderdale Airport, 6 Jan 2017

[CARIIS]

My bad mass shooters with alleged mental health issues.

I edited my post.

Tid bits:

Apt complex he lived at in Naples

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/34205111/fort-lauderdale-shooting-suspect-has-ties-to-naples

Santiago verbally assaulted his then girlfriend, a 40-year old mother of one child from a previous marriage

landlord evicted him for non-payment of rent in February 2015.

“Records show Santiago had three driver’s licenses from Alaska, New York and Puerto Rico,” along with his military I.D., which were all on his person during Friday’s shooting, as

"He has been planning this for a long time" bought his tickets less than 72 hours before he got here !!
Linked earlier

[FONT=&amp]Esteban Santiago, described by his brother as a walking time bomb we made it a week [/FONT][FONT=&amp]nation’s first mass shooting of 2017 — [/FONT][FONT=&amp]was a troubled soul

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]bizarre Nov. 7 appearance at the FBI, and only returned the gun Dec. 8.

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]“While in Iraq, his brother said he lost two of his close friends,” said an uncle who lives in Naples, Fla. “A grenade went off, and they died right in front of him.”

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]no groups had claimed responsibility. give em another day!!

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]taken off Thursday night

Cnn [/FONT]labeled “white Hispanic,” --“white Hispanic” soon became the top-trending Twitter term of the day.

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[/FONT]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/terrorism-probed-motive-fort-lauderdale-airport-shooting-article-1.2939003

http://newzsentinel.com/cnn-labels-airport-shooter-white-hispanic/

http://newzsentinel.com/airport-shooter-admits-he-was-mind-controlled-by-intelligence-agency-eyewitness-claims-there-were-at-least-three-other-sleepers-shooters-with-high-powered-rifles/


http://newzsentinel.com/ft-lauderdale-gunman-esteban-santiago-was-being-prosecuted-for-strangling-his-girlfriend/.

 

[jjenny]

One thing I'm wondering---and it has been nearly 10 years since I've flown, so forgive me. It seems like (if my memory is correct---and to be perfectly honest it's hard to remember things from when I was 21 and before I had three kids) when my luggage came down in the baggage claim, there comes a point when another plane starts sending luggage down those chute things and onto those belts. I think I've just arrived at the baggage claim (not really knowing how to find where mine was) when my luggage was already circulating with the next plane's. So, maybe, he went to his baggage claim, got his gun, went to the bathroom and came back intending to shoot people from his plane, but the Atlanta-based flight was already unloading their luggage and those flyers were arriving to get their luggage. It could be that several people from his flight were still in the area, at the baggage claim, just leaving the baggage claim, and he shot who he could ?? :thinking:

FBI says he planned the attack, so I don't think he cared if victims were on his flight or not.

"Indications are that he came here to carry out this horrific attack," George Piro, special agent in charge of the FBI's Miami field office, said during a press conference outside Terminal 2 of the Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport where the deadly shooting took place Friday afternoon."
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2017/01/alleged_fort_lauderdale_airport_shooter_planned_th.html

 

[jjenny]

From the article I linked it seems during his evaluation he was not deemed mentally ill.

US Attorney Karen Loeffler said Santiago would have been able to legally possess a gun because he had not been judged mentally ill, which is a higher standard than having an evaluation.

So if he was being treated recently by the other doctors they must not have declared him mentally ill either. .

One would think it should be easy to declare a guy who claims he hears voices and they are making him to do things as mentally ill. I guess one would be wrong. This guy sounds like he was a paranoid schizophrenic with delusions.

 

[CARIIS]

One would think it should be easy to declare a guy who claims he hears voices and they are making him to do things as mentally ill. I guess one would be wrong. This guy sounds like he was a paranoid schizophrenic with delusions.

That stuff is exhausting and l o n g - judges very very hesitant to do it -- so are mental health providers - they usually have to have a long history of being admitted over over , a suicide attempt might help -- needs tons of professionals to concur

I only had two to deal with and it was the pitts. On one the poor guy was already there - all we wanted was for them to administer injectable Risperdal once a month - against his will if he did not want to take the shot --

That is cruel not to do it for him IMO he had taken it for a long time but had periods where he would refuse - so basically we knew his side effect profile would not be an issue- but medication compliance would not be an issue and he might really get some relief

nope

clients rights

HOw fast can a semi fire ?

moo

 

[Prairie Sage]

Some of the conspiracy theories concerning this case are very interesting ... :thinking:

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

Left infant in car in freezing temperatures.
http://www.fox13memphis.com/news/tr...n-vehicle-while-meeting-with-alaska/482321121

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

That stuff is exhausting and l o n g - judges very very hesitant to do it -- so are mental health providers - they usually have to have a long history of being admitted over over , a suicide attempt might help -- needs tons of professionals to concur

I only had two to deal with and it was the pitts. On one the poor guy was already there - all we wanted was for them to administer injectable Risperdal once a month - against his will if he did not want to take the shot --

That is cruel not to do it for him IMO he had taken it for a long time but had periods where he would refuse - so basically we knew his side effect profile would not be an issue- but medication compliance would not be an issue and he might really get some relief

nope

clients rights

HOw fast can a semi fire ?

moo

"Only one bullet comes out of a semiautomatic for each time the person pulls the trigger. So, any semiautomatic can be fired only as fast as the person holding it can pull and release the trigger."

http://www.gunsandcrime.org/firerate.html

"Santiago had purchased two handguns -- a 9 mm Glock and a Glock .40-caliber -- in the past, according to a law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation. It is unknown whether either of these pistols were used in Friday's attack."

http://www.nbc26.com/news/national/...pected-shooter-at-the-fort-lauderdale-airport

ETA:
He told investigators he checked baggage that contained a Walther 9mm semi-automatic handgun and two magazines of ammunition.

"Santiago emptied his first magazine, then reloaded and shot until the second magazine, too, was out of bullets. He believes he shot approximately 15 rounds before his arrest."

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sun-...tiago-in-court-monday-20170107-story,amp.html

 

[rsd1200]

It was my understanding that he was under a " Baker Act" type 72-hour hold in Alaska. ( that is the name of it in Florida I don't know what other states call it) .

Iirc, They cannot hold someone against their will and institutionalize somebody longer unless they are a danger to themselves or a danger to someone else at the immediate time iirc.

They couldnt/did not adjudicate him within the court system as mentally ill within those 72 hours, therefore he has had no adjudication/ legal label as being mentally ill.

Those are my thoughts and perhaps others in the field can correct this thought.

:moo:

It is very hard to have someone declared mentally ill and placed in a facility, against their will, even if you know, yourself, as their closest of kin, or someone with whom they've lived, that something is very wrong. Also, people who are having difficulty are able to fool those who are examining them, at least for short periods. I've had first hand experience with this on a couple of occasions with two different people.

 

[Momoffourboys]

WOW. A lot of info floating out there that MSM will not cover.

 

[Gardenista]

WOW. A lot of info floating out there that MSM will not cover.

Fox will pick it up if it's true and then the other stations will have to

 

[JaxFlaGal]

One would think it should be easy to declare a guy who claims he hears voices and they are making him to do things as mentally ill. I guess one would be wrong. This guy sounds like he was a paranoid schizophrenic with delusions.

MOO, but while it is easy to declare a guy like that, in Florida, the authorities prefer to have someone commit themselves versus involuntary committal/declaration, Particularly for a vet with potential PTSD, I can see the POV of encouraging someone to commit themselves versus involuntary committal. And in some states it's still easier to have rights restored after a voluntary committal than an involuntary one.

I am not saying this to offer sympathy to the perp in any way shape or form - I hope he's found capable to stand trial for murder and is sentenced to death for it based on what I have read so far, but from a "system point-of-view" I can understand why the FBI gave a vet, potentially with PTSD, the option of self-committal versus involuntary. Again, MOO

 

[Momoffourboys]

Fox will pick it up if it's true and then the other stations will have to

That's what I thought. megyn Kelly has info on her site but nothing on Fox.

 

[Gardenista]

That's what I thought. megyn Kelly has info on her site but nothing on Fox.

On her FB page?

 

[Momoffourboys]

On her FB page?

Her website.

 

[Gardenista]

Her website.

OK, didn't know she had one. But if she picked it up, the rest of them will too.

 

[al66pine]

Declaration form
https://www.flybe.com/pdf/FirearmsDeclarationForm.pdf

FWIW ^ does not appear to be a form used in US (no ref to TSA).

Form has a field for "UK/ EU/Other Licence/Permit Number."

Sorry if already covered, catching up again. Well, trying to.

 

[RainCheck]

Left infant in car in freezing temperatures.
http://www.fox13memphis.com/news/tr...n-vehicle-while-meeting-with-alaska/482321121

I was just coming here to post a similar story. Thank God the baby is okay! He can not possibly be in his right mind to leave his newborn child in a freezing truck during all of this. It's more proof to me he really has a serious mental health issue. This article details what they did with the gun they found in his vehicle but not the baby. I can't believe they just handed him back his gun after he was released from the hospital https://www.yahoo.com/news/relative...mental-health-issues-073702613--politics.html

 

[RainCheck]

If he knew something was wrong and he sought help only to be turned away....then that is truly sad and a big flaw in our system. However, that still doesn't make me have much sympathy for him at all. I am mostly sad for his family. (And obviously the victims and their families.)

I'm pretty sad for his family too. Especially his little baby and how the child will feel about all of this when they're old enough to understand.

 

[human]

One in ten people in prison have a military background

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-to-prison-why-veterans-become-criminals.html

 

[RainCheck]

MOO, but while it is easy to declare a guy like that, in Florida, the authorities prefer to have someone commit themselves versus involuntary committal/declaration, Particularly for a vet with potential PTSD, I can see the POV of encouraging someone to commit themselves versus involuntary committal. And in some states it's still easier to have rights restored after a voluntary committal than an involuntary one.

I am not saying this to offer sympathy to the perp in any way shape or form - I hope he's found capable to stand trial for murder and is sentenced to death for it based on what I have read so far, but from a "system point-of-view" I can understand why the FBI gave a vet, potentially with PTSD, the option of self-committal versus involuntary. Again, MOO

I'd much rather see him committed to a hospital for the criminally insane for the rest of his life where he might actually get some help. I'd also like to see government officials use this as an opportunity to announce they're going to pour money into research and facilities for the mentally ill in our country especially veterans who seem to be cast aside. I'm really tired of this happening over and over again and nothing being done to overhaul our mental healthcare system. Not only to prevent this type of crime but to also help all the people struggling with mental health crisis and their families who often feel helpless. As Sen. Creigh Deeds said after he was forced to shoot and kill his own child, if he couldn't find an available bed in a psychiatric hospital for his son, what hope do people with no powerful connections have?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/virginia-sen-recounts-mentally-ill-son-attacking-him/

Of course it won't happen, our government, including the FBI and the military, will do everything they can to deflect any blame from themselves. He'll probably be found fit for trial and you'll get your wish (although I think his mental illness probably will save him from the death penalty) and these events will continue happening. If you always do what you've always done, then you'll always get what you've always got.