FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #1

[Myserty64]

This is my first post here.



I found this site while researching the Beaumont children who vanished off the face of the Earth forty years ago here in Australia.

And of course it was here that I found the Jennifer Kesse case.



Firstly my thoughts are with Jennifer’s family and friends.

I cannot begin to imagine the anguish they are enduring.



I too read the Christopher Marlowe post and I was astounded.

My first impression was this must have been written by a crime writer who has also worked in LE.

I’ll have to think a while before posting my second impression.

And like others here I have read and reread that post over and over.



I am troubled that this case might start to go cold.

Unless LE has information we are unaware of they seem to have little to go on.



I’m pleased I found Websleuths. There are a lot of caring people here.

 

[13th Juror]

This is my first post here.


I found this site while researching the Beaumont children who vanished off the face of the Earth forty years ago here in Australia.

And of course it was here that I found the Jennifer Kesse case.


Firstly my thoughts are with Jennifer’s family and friends.

I cannot begin to imagine the anguish they are enduring.


I too read the Christopher Marlowe post and I was astounded.

My first impression was this must have been written by a crime writer who has also worked in LE.

I’ll have to think a while before posting my second impression.

And like others here I have read and reread that post over and over.


I am troubled that this case might start to go cold.

Unless LE has information we are unaware of they seem to have little to go on.


I’m pleased I found Websleuths. There are a lot of caring people here.

Welcome to Websleuths Myserty - glad to have you aboard!

I agree - there certainly are a lot of good caring people on this forum - so, don't be a stranger. Jump in anytime .. you're most welcome here!


13th Juror

 

[Myserty64]

Thank you for the welcome.

Is there feeling that there will be a break-through in this case?



It is most likely there is a low life out there who has committed a heinous crime. The mere fact that right at this moment they are breathing troubles me greatly.

Nobody should be put through this trauma. Not the victim, not the family, not the friends. Nobody.

 

[strach304]

Welcome Myserty64, I'm interested to hear about your other impression as well. I'm sorry to say that I think there will be a breakthrough in this case when they find her body but even then we may be no closer to finding the one responsible without some real stroke of luck. As for the profiler I think he's legit in the sense that I mean he isn't involved in the crime but he may only be a profiler as a hobby or interest as well as a retired LE officer state, federal, private investigator, etc. He has good theories about the crime itself but I have little confidence in the physical description, he should avoid that.

 

[Myserty64]

There is something about the Christopher Marlowe piece that troubles me but I can’t quite put my finger on what it is. Weird I know but that’s how it feels just now.Perhaps it is the forceful style of the article for it is bordering on brutal IMO.I’m not trying to denigrate it because it is very well written; no typos and near perfect grammar.

I’m no English expert but Marlowe’s work is of ‘ready to publish’ standard and you don’t encounter that on the net everyday of the week.Is anyone aware of him posting a follow up?



About the photos showing the POI. When I first saw these I got the impression the POI was striding purposefully. There is one second between the two photos so the speed of walking can be calculated. The time on the photos is 1300 hours but I read somewhere where it said to deduct one hour from the time shown on the photo.

With this deduction these photos are still some four hours after the estimated time of the alleged assault.

Would this time frame be ‘normal’ for this type of crime?

I’m wondering if this POI is actually a suspect.

 

[Myserty64]

I have reread this whole thread and I feel my posts above are redundant. To me the POI is of no interest. I can’t see much coming from those photos. They may even be a ‘red herring’ or diversionary tactic.

I’m going back to basics and forgetting the exotic theories. I believe Jennifer left her unit but never made it to her car. And unless Jennifer is found I can’t see this case going too far too soon. DNA is needed here and needed badly. This case is going to take time.

There is always hope. Just recently we had an arrest in a four year old murder case. Only advances in DNA technology made this possible. Evidence via labs in the USA were the key.

 

[Beyond Belief]

Even though LE has put the window of opportunity from 10"00 pm Monday until 8:00 a.m. Tuesday, I hope they are concentrating on the theory she went missing between 7 am and 8 am Tuesday. It just seems the most logical if all the telephone call information is correct. "If" she told one of the callers her plans on how she would be sending the cell phone then LE would know if that were here intentions in the a.m.

Taking all information at face value, it seems she was in her car with another person. I do not see her allowing herself if the would be attacker jumped into the car, driving to some remote location. I think she would have crashed the car into something rather than allow that to happen. Theres really no reason in the world for her car to be left at the other condo. She could have been left in the car anywhere...and the results would still be like they are now, no leads. This doesn't make any sense.

 

[izzyB]

i too think she was attacked tuesday morning. had she gone out monday nite late to ship the cell phone, i think her discarded pj's would have been found in the bedroom rather than the bathroom floor. the pj's there in the bathroom make a lot of sense first thing in the morning. if she was going out late at night she would have changed clothes in the bedroom and left her gown on the bed or by the closet, dresser etc.

i believe she had been "noticed" by the person who took her. she had been gone on vacation and i speculate that in his fantasy, he felt abandoned. he took her at the very first opportunity he had so she would not leave him again.

i think the scenario in the marlowe piece could be very likely and really uses the crime location to its full advantage. the only thing i have a had time with is how her body, at 5'8" was transferred to her car from a vacant apartment. that would be a big load to carry by hand or over the shoulder, so i am thinking he had to have had something like a hand-truck/dolly/cart to get her to the car.

the other thing, in any scenario is how could a 5'3" person over-power her without some kind of struggle. i am going with that height b/c LE has said that they have determined she did not drive her car to the location where it was found and i would suspect this statement is based on the location of the driver's seat, like in the lori hacking case.

i am sad this new "lead" did not work out for her family. they were upbeat on CC on tuesday, and i guess they had a lot of what turned out to be false hope. i have to say though, that i thought their mentioning that donations could be made thru any Bank of America was poor form. in all her public appearances in the early days of laci's disappearance i cannot recall sharon rocha making a similar appeal.

 

[LaMer]

Beyond Belief, have you visited Gretta's blog? Check out the pictures she has posted of Jennifer's condo, particularly the outside hallway/steps to Jennifer's condo.

I know I wouldn't feel safe entering the hallway/steps area, either leaving or coming home, too many blind areas.

 

[LaMer]

There is something about the Christopher Marlowe piece that troubles me but I can’t quite put my finger on what it is. Weird I know but that’s how it feels just now.Perhaps it is the forceful style of the article for it is bordering on brutal IMO.I’m not trying to denigrate it because it is very well written; no typos and near perfect grammar.

I’m no English expert but Marlowe’s work is of ‘ready to publish’ standard and you don’t encounter that on the net everyday of the week.Is anyone aware of him posting a follow up?



About the photos showing the POI. When I first saw these I got the impression the POI was striding purposefully. There is one second between the two photos so the speed of walking can be calculated. The time on the photos is 1300 hours but I read somewhere where it said to deduct one hour from the time shown on the photo.

With this deduction these photos are still some four hours after the estimated time of the alleged assault.

Would this time frame be ‘normal’ for this type of crime?

I’m wondering if this POI is actually a suspect.

Mystery64, here is my take on Marlowe's post: No the poster never came back to the original site where he posted. The site deleted his post, so no wonder he never came back. The site is a message boar created for the Kesse family by a friend and the admin there doesn't allow anything like this to be posted there. However, just a day or so ago, admin did allow a link to Marlowe's post at another site to be posted there.

Here is my take on Christopher Marlowe's post:

If you have ever read :

JOURNEY INTO DARKNESS, written by John Douglas,

one of the FBI's Premier Investigators, as depicted on the cover of his book, which also states

Penetrates the Minds and Motives of the Most Terrifying Serial Killers,

You would not be surprised by his post and this might explain it. imo if

The poster follows what one would be taught if taking courses at QUANTICO, the FBI Academy, studying profiling and criminal investigative analysis.

Page 12. Douglas states--We work on the principle that behavior reflects personality and generally divide the profiling process into 7 steps.

1. Evaluation of the criminal act itself.

2. Comprehensive evaulation of the specifics of the crime or scenes.

3. Comprehensive analysis of the victim or victims.

4. Evaulation of premilinary police reports.

5. Evaluation of the medical examiner's autopsy.

6. Development of the profile with critical offender characteristics.

7. Investigative suggestions predicted on construction of the profile.


What the poster was doing was following John Douglas's 7 Steps and two categories of murderers, which he puts in 2 categorial types. Which the poster sited in his post as being 'organized'.

1. organized
&
2. disorganized

I have 3 of John Douglas's books sitting here and one by Candace DeLong. They use the same theories. It is what they are taught when attending the FBI Academy.

In rereading the poster's post again, it appears to me this poster has read John Douglas's books and others. Poster has an interest in learning what makes these perpetrators tick and has been able to do an analysis of what has been learned so far with Jennifer's disappearance.

And he did a great job! imo

It could be right on, it is eerie and scarry, but seems to me, Marlowe followed the Master, John Douglas's outline when analyzing this case!

I became interested in reading John Douglas's books during the trial of Westerfield. Gad, I forget his first name, that's OK, he is pathetic!

Also during the Westerfield trial, there was a poster here called Ned, learned a lot from him, and he was the one who iniated my reason for purchasing JD's books and others.

Anyway when re-reading his post, I had a flashback of JD's method of working a case, and dug the books out.

 

[Jadenn]

I don't know how far this is from where Jennifer is missing from, but check out this story that hit the news today:

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Orange County deputies want to find a man who choked an elderly woman at her mailbox. She was attacked at the Shadow Hills Apartments on Milllinocket Lane, between Chickasaw Trail and the 417.

Surveillance cameras captured the whole thing.


The elderly woman was carjacked as she was getting her mail. Deputies believe the man tried to kill her and then he stole her car.


"I thought he was killing me and I was just glad my husband would know where my body was," said victim Jean Wagner.

Police said the man left in Wagner’s 1993 Mercury. If anyone has information on the man or the attack, please call the Orange County Sheriff’s Office.

More at link:

http://www.wftv.com/news/7395636/detail.html

 

[Beyond Belief]

I bet thats him, when you watch the video watch out his feet turn out when he walks. The shoes in the Jenns poi clip do the same thing, thats why the shoes look so large.
I hope they get the fingerprints off that door he so nicely pushed with both hands.

 

[LaMer]

LaMer, was wondering since you posted the info about those psychics if you are familar with that board and the one psychic in particular that mentioned the area, she may even have a blog or website but was curious about when she first stated it, the date in relation to BeyondBeliefs pic and mention of Tipton as the possible address on that envelope? From what I read (very little) of her she sounds like a phoney to me but if it was my daughter missing I'd give anyone a listen. I don't think it's a good idea just my opinion though when people like this insert themselves into a case and possibly supply bogus leads tying up resources and justify it by saying to themselves well they have nothing else to go on which isn't always true. If there's a large reward then I'm even more skeptical.

Strach, I don't think I mentioned anything about psychics. The person who put the connection to the word Tipton-Tifton and GA, was a poster at another site who just so happened to have read here and saw what Beyond was mentioning and she happened to notice the words Miss Tifton and the ocilla similarities when reading about Tara being missing. This poster mentioned nothing about being a 'pyschic' nor any thing about any psychics.[B/] I don't think she was trying to insert herself in anything as you suggested. not nada nothing like that~

 

[LaMer]

Hi LaMer n' All

I agree - nothing new on the investigation - at least not reported. The car & POI are the 2 main points LE has to focus on.

There was a 9 second blip on WKMG 5:30 om news - simply stating that they (LE) continue to receive leads regarding Jennifer Kesse's whereabouts and are still following them. Her disappearance is into it's 5th week.

The anchor switched to reporting on 2 other missing young women and their devastated families. I was appalled to hear that there are currently 2700 missing people just in Orange County alone. Staggering number for just one county.

As for your question, LaMer, about the manpower & financial resources of the local LE departments (Orl. Police & Orange Co. Sheriff's Dept.) - major dollars and a ton of overtime pay has been expended on the Kesse case. I heard some numbers about 2 weeks ago that were astounding and it's probably doubled that by now.

As I mentioned above - there are 2700 missing people with "open file cases" - not to mention the recent rash of several unrelated murders to add to the carjackings, robberies, rapes, domestic violence calls, road rage incidents, break-ins, etc. (And this weekend a big neo-nazi group is marching in downtown Orlando. <groan>)

The film story at 6 pm focused on other young women living in the same Mosaic complex who are nervous & uncomfortable living there. Numerous complaints about cat calls & unwanted attention from 'transient workers' - some of whom also live there. Several single female residents said they are moving out. One man from Wisconsin drove down here to move his daughter immediately OUT of Mosaic and bring her home.

Some of the original "Traditions apartments" are still rental units while others have already been converted to 'Mosaic ownership condos'.

They spoke again of the "false sense of security" of having a gate at the entrance but not fenced or walled all the way around the complex. Also how much bad PR the complex has received in the media from it's total lack of security.

It was reported that the FBI came in to the investigation to help with certain forensics - but that 'missing people' are not their job or focus. Basically - keeping the investigation & public/media interest alive is the job of the Kesse family & local LE.


As a side note - I did deliver the printed out 'Christopher Marlowe post' to both LE agencies working on the case. Others must have had the same idea because LE had received several calls & copies of that post. Needless to say - they didn't share with me if it held any weight or merit with them. But, they did thank me for caring & sharing it.


13th Juror

13th Juror,---Whoa, u can see I am behind!

WOW 2700 missing plus all the other crimes you mentions, that is staggeriing to say the least! OPD has their hands full! No wonder because of their resources and the work load they are moving onto other cases. May God be with them. GEE 2700!!! Unbelievable to me coming from this small burg where I live.

Thanks 13th Juror for getting back to me, and sorry, I missed your post. Glad I found it

 

[Beyond Belief]

Guy who attacked lady in mailroom.



http://photobucket.com/albums/d179/Kafthy/?action=view&current=newsuspect.jpg

 

[LaMer]

About Christopher Marlowe

I don't think this has been mentioned here, but when CM made the orignal post his profile stated he was a school teacher and lived in central FL.

Not that it would be true,


WELCOME to Websleuths Myserty

 

[LaMer]

Thank You Beyond, he looks thin, but also has muscular shoulders, the other guy looked slimmer in the trunk area. Short hair and a wide waistband too. Shorts or pants, as the video didn't work that good for me, need a new puter.

How far away was this attack from Orlando? I need a map

 

[Beyond Belief]

Thats a typical pair of shorts/bathing suit worn in Florida. Some of them say WET across the top part. Theres also pockets on these pants. I don't know if thats underwear above the shorts or part of them. Also see a suspicious spot on his chest, your left, his right. Probably a tatoo. The upper arms might also have tatoos. Hard to see in video, but wearing somekind of glasses. Working on the photos shows a straight line from eye to ear and something around the eye, but not dark black like sunglasses. Might be light color sunglasses or regular glasses, they are small.

The witness will probably be able to give a description.

Several times working on the Kesse photos, they looked like bare legs with pants coming down almost to the calf. Then of course the big clunky shoes. We could be mistaking those pockets for some of the things we think the poi is carrying in the Kesse photos. Hard to tell.

 

[Lili]

Looks like tatoos on both upper arms and visible something on his right chest. Wound? He looks rather short and stocky to me. I'm sure he left good fingerprints when he pushed that door open! Good goin' dude!

 

[13th Juror]

Guy who attacked lady in mailroom.



http://photobucket.com/albums/d179/Kafthy/?action=view&current=newsuspect.jpg

Actually - this perpetrator being sought was initially pacing back & forth in a "laundry room" at the complex - I suppose, waiting for someone he could overpower to appear. The mailboxes where the lady was attacked is an outside area. Attack -- outside in broad daylight! Yikes!

Reported on news this evening - the stolen car has been recovered but viewers are still being asked to call Crimeline if they recognize the thief who assaulted the woman at the mailboxes.


Oh - and in the Kesse case - Ed Smart, (Elizabeth Smart's Dad) is getting involved in the search for Jen. Story coming up at 6 pm.

13th Juror